No headphones jack.
Trash generating hypocrites.
HMD are doing everything better than fair phone now with their latest models. More repairable, more flexible, long term support and updates.
Cheaper too.
The Fairphone 5 price has been dropped to €499. The phone is designed to be the most advanced environmentally friendly smartphone.
Submitted 1 year ago by dwazou@jlai.lu to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5
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Ross_audio@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ilandar@lemm.ee 1 year ago
HMD are doing everything better than fair phone now with their latest models.
How much are the factory workers paid? Where are the raw materials sourced? What percentage is recycled? What work is HMD doing to change the industry?
absquatulate@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are HMDs really more repairable? Most recent phone they had that tried to be repairable was Skyline and even there it was pretty limited
Nobilmantis@feddit.it 1 year ago
No headphones jack.
Most people use bluetooth devices nowadays. Few have wired headphones, which they can still use by using a €2 adapter that you just leave plugged to them all the time. Then there is a 0,1% that complains on the internet demanding that phone companies keep a extra hole on their devices for a specific purpose another hole can already do. Oh and HMD phones don’t have it either, at least for what i could find.
More repairable
They seem about the same (glass, back, speaker, battery, port), but on the ff5 you can replace the cameras as well.
more flexible
Tf does that mean? You can bend it?
long term support and updates.
Liar? Fairphones have like 8 years of security updates and major android version upgrades. HMD gives like 3 years on their latest devices… What are you talking about?
Cheaper too.
I’ll give you that, but it really ends there.
HMD phones are not a bad choice at all but if the affordability isn’t first in the list I don’t see how they would make a better purchase over a Fairphone.
DNU@lemmy.world 1 year ago
idc about hmd, but usbc for audio is just shit. Ive tried various setups, I have a dac for phones, i have iems with usbc and yet the port is just not constructed for usage on the go where i preferably use in ears. So in total: aux got taken, instead we use the charging port and if we actually do that the ports gonna be dead in a year maximum if you havent aldready ripped apart your in ears because of these darn constant disconnects. I do have wiems that are more expensive than my iems and yet bluetooth audio transmission still sucks compared to cables and I long for the moment where i finally have a phone with aux again so my ears dont have to constantly bleed (wildly exaggerated obv). Last time i almost bought a Sony because of aux, but theyre just way too expensive for the software support they deliver. I just hope in a few years time theres a value phone built for me :).
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Another hole can carry analogue audio? I think you’re referring to a USB port when you say “another hole can do the same job”, but obviously it can’t carry analogue audio. You need an external DAC to convert the digital audio it can output, to analogue. (The phone already has an internal DAC so this is dumb)
And then of course you run into the issue of being unable to use it while the phone is charging because you have 1 port for 2 different jobs
Not all of us like the idea of wireless earphones, there are still many who prefer to spend good money on nice IEMs or headphones that don’t have to be charged to work, rather than overly expensive, subpar wireless options that will inevitably turn into e-waste when the batteries can no longer hold a charge.
Not to mention the ubiquity of the 6.5mm/3.5mm jack, this is standard across every piece of music gear you can think of from synthesizers to electronic drum kits to guitars, pedals, and interfaces.
You certainly don’t walk into a recording studio and find USB C ports to plug into
ISOmorph@feddit.org 1 year ago
I don’t know anything about HMD so I can’t add to that. However I’d like to correct you regarding the headphone jack. The people that like it so much are generally privacy enthusiasts. Leaving your Bluetooth on makes you easily trackable. Using USB-C headphones helps in that regard but expediates wear and tear on the port by a lot and often makes the phone unusable a lot quicker. Audio jacks generally have very low wear and tear. Hope that helps you understand we’re not crazed evangilists hanging on to the past for the sake of it.
solrize@lemmy.world 1 year ago
500 Euro for what amounts to a midrange phone still seems like consumerism to me. Better to get an older phone and hold onto it. My Moto G4 lasted 7 years before obsolescence and physical wear caught up with it. I wonder how many current Fairphones will still be in use in 2034.
Ilandar@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Better to get an older phone and hold onto it.
That’s sort of how they’ve marketed their phones over the years. Fairphone exists as a fairer alternative to brand new phones, but the company has always been quite clear that the most environmentally friendly phone you have is your current one and that you should keep it for as long as realistically possible.
dumblederp@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Turns out ethical wages and materials cost money.
solrize@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I still have a made in Finland Nokia N9 that cost $200 around 15 years ago. Too bad it became unusable in the US with the shutdown of the 3G network wherever that was.
PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have the fairphone 4 and have had no issues. As long as a fairphone exists I don’t see any reason I should switch.
IndianaJones@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Do you use their OS?
Notamoosen@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Have you had to replace any parts yet?
madnificent@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had to replace parts on my FP5. It fell on very bad asphalt at speed whilst cycling in a foreign country. The glass on the camera modules scattered. Display protector broke and the case got some good damage. I was instantly calmed realising it is a FairPhone and knowing I could order replacement parts.
Repairs were trivial and it feels good to have created just a tiny amount of e-waste instead of a large amount. The black aluminium case has some war wounds (scratches) reminding me of the trip.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
The lack of an FM radio and headphone jack make it unusable for me.
cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Are there phones available these days with both of these things?
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
yes, even some that never mention the radio have one (n10 5g us model).
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Yes, a quick search on GSM Arena shows 189 phones with a radio and headphone jack. That’s just phones from the last year.
eneff@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Yes
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Shame there is no Graphene OS support for it
AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Fairphone brand is basically saying to everyone “Hey look at our generic Android phone with everything you need from Google, including AI stuff and data collection” and when you ask if you can have a privacy friendly features they basically say “Nope, we just do a phone with replaceable parts, that’s all. Don’t ask for more”
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 1 year ago
And it would be such good marketing strategy “replaceable parts + privacy”
At least someone commented CalyxOS supports it which seems to be a good alternative to GrapheneOS
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
It has CalyxOS support though. A decent alternative.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Agreed. I was debating between CalyxOS and GrapheneOS, and I ended up w/ GrapheneOS because I ended up picking the Pixel 8 due to the long software support cycle. If I picked any other phone, I would’ve ended up w/ CalyxOS.
Both are great projects.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
no other manufacturer ever will have graphnene os support. their requirements cannot be met unless you are a tech gian, and with exceptionally good connections to the hardware manufacturers
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Graphene isn’t the best choice for everything. It doesn’t have good backup solutions nor device to device backup or anything solid for complete snapshots and when restoring your so called backups you’ll realize what all it truly lacks.
It’s hardened and has a lot of security and privacy features but none of that matters if your opsec is bad, or it’s feature set doesn’t match your threat model. I am not knocking it at all. It just isn’t the white knight for every case.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Agreed.
That said, it would be awesome to have an alternative to Pixel devices if you do want GrapheneOS.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Seedvault worked fine for me when I moved phones last year.
uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Was thinking the same thing. Not Graphenes fault though but a failing of OEMs to provide what’s necessary.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You could always go for /e/os though
TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee 1 year ago
/e/os is a security dumpster fire. It’s even worse than stock Android. Stay away from it.
CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 year ago
And it doesn’t support US bands for TMobile
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
T-Mobile supports these bands:
- 5G: n2/41/71/258/260/261
- 5G,ER: n25
- 4GLTE: B4/5/12/71
- 4GLTE,ER: B25/66
- 2G,GSM: B2
Fairphone 5 supports these bands:
- 5G: n1/2/3/5/7/8/20/28/38/41/48/71/77/78
- 5G,ER: n66
- 4GLTE: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/20/28/32/38/40/41/42/48/71
- 4GLTE,ER: B66
It looks like the Fairphone 5 covers T-Mobiles 5G Frequency Band 1 frequencies (bold), but Frequency Band 2 is not covered (italic).
Regarding 4G, the Fairphone 5 covers all LTE networks (bold) except for extended range band B25 (italics).
it doesn’t support US bands for TMobile
It covers some, but not all.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
For 4G. 5G is fine.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The biggest downside of Fairphone IMO is that they don’t maintain their hardware support in LineageOS and for the retail product then branch development off, add a bit of custom branding and adapt whatever Google requires these days. It would greatly improve custom ROM support in general.
VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
If they just didn’t drop the headphone jack.
tostiman@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Ah, that’s a dealbreaker for me
tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Good for you.
vala@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is fine if you don’t care about having the best audio quality and lowest latency possible.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wanna know how many times I played a piano in the past 20 years?
Zero. Clearly they shouldn’t exist.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My last phone had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? All the time! And that was despite having decent Bluetooth headphones.
I loved wearing my cans when mowing the lawn because it cut down on the noise, and I also used them when laying in bed since they had much better audio. I would use my Bluetooth headphones the rest of the time because they were more convenient.
My new phone doesn’t have headphone jack, and I’m super bummed.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 1 year ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Ok I use my wired headphones
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Okay? You’re not the one asking for a headphone jack tho???
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I used mine all the time because I hate using bluetooth even though I have expensive bluetooth headphones, I have now cancelled you out
otp@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My decent Bluetooth headphones have the option to plug in a headphone cable to use them wired. I use it occasionally so I can reduce audio latency, which can be useful with gaming…and essential with rhythm games.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I use mine. Bluetooth is great and all, but it’s still not the same quality as a hard-line. And they also run out of batteries.
Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
I use my backup headphones when my Bluetooth headset has run out of battery
IllNess@infosec.pub 1 year ago
How else would they push their mediocre reviewed Bluetooth headsets and ear buds?
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 1 year ago
I wish importing phones were an option for my country, but no. Even if I secured a way to bring it here, it takes 1000 dollars just to register its IMEI to use here.
muhyb@programming.dev 1 year ago
Şu an yurtdışından telefon getirtecek olsam IMEI değiştirir geçerdim. iPhone için mümkün olmayabilir. Bu hale getirenler utansın.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I really wish this was available in the US. I’ve found myself able to hang on to devices longer and longer. So this would be perfect. I’m only charging my battery to 80% and discharging it to 30% before charging it again just to prolong the life of the battery because that’s the first thing that dies on most devices. Having a user replaceable battery again would be an absolute godsend.
Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, same here honestly. For real, I wish it was available in the US too
Ruthalas@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Are you using something to automate that? If so what? Does it require root?
dumblederp@aussie.zone 1 year ago
There’s other phones with user replaceable batteries. I looked it up a month or so ago. They’re not as ethical as fairphone, but still better than my drawer of working phones with dead batteries.
Pherenike@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Murena does ship them to the USA, but with /e/OS preinstalled, which is great if you’re into privacy and degoogling. I don’t know how it works with US carriers though. Feel free to ask them on their forum, community.e.foundation
Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’m interested in this one also. I like the look of it. Currently a long-time Pixel user, but I’m open to other options.
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 year ago
That’s cool. Let me know when it gets support for GrapheneOS and finds it’s headphone jack again.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The answer is likley never, GOS devs dont trust Fairphone devs (due to poor security practices) and Fairphone devs are unwilling (in some cases unable) to meet the extremely high standards for GOS.
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 year ago
Big red flag:
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UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 1 year ago
… That’s because it comes with vanilla android, unless you buy the e/OS version or flash it yourself
bilb@lem.monster 1 year ago
Doesn’t that basically equate to “yep, this is an android phone?”
iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 1 year ago