Aaaand it’s impossible to buy in the US. Even if USians want to do the right thing, we’re not permitted.
The Fairphone 5 price has been dropped to €499. The phone is designed to be the most advanced environmentally friendly smartphone.
Submitted 18 hours ago by dwazou@jlai.lu to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5
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ravelin@lemmy.ml 1 hour ago
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Really wish Fairphone would come to the US. I’d spend the money on it, but they only half-ass sold the last gen phone here on the US.
I don’t even understand why. Most Qualcomm, Quectel, and other radios support worldwide 4G and 5G bands now. Even if they didn’t officially sell it here but had a variant that supported US bands you could import, I’d be happy.
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 3 minutes ago
I can send you one probably, but you know… tariffs (and processing fees).
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 hours ago
Only 400€ to go until I can afford it.
roawn@feddit.uk 3 hours ago
I’m using this phone right now and I love it. it feels solid. Im using a degoogled ROM and it just works, there seems to be a lot of people pressing for graphene os specifically and discrediting the phone for what it is. its so easy to take apart and cheaply repair its great. it’s perfect for folk who want a decent smartphone that you dont have to worry about being thrown around. sure it’s not perfect but it is still a very great photo
MangoCats@feddit.it 1 hour ago
What’s the cost to replace a cracked screen?
oce@jlai.lu 1 hour ago
You buy the OLED display as a spare part for 100 EUR on the official website. shop.fairphone.com/shop/category/spare-parts-4?ca…
Scribbd@feddit.nl 2 hours ago
I have been shopping for a rom for my FP. Which are you running?
Piece_Maker@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
I use CalyxOS on mine. It has microG all working by default so if you need that sort of thing it’s probably the easiest way to get it up and running
vga@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
I wish they could implement the parts of the Pixel phones that allow GrapheneOS to be used.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
What parts are these? I’ve always wondered what this was about, why the pixel was the only phone that could support GrapheneOS
MicKet@swiss.social 4 hours ago
https://www.kuketz-blog.de/weshalb-grapheneos-aktuell-nur-google-pixel-geraete-unterstuetzt/
(From an Interview - The relevant parts are in English)
Security seems not easy.
neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
The last I looked was that the Pixel was the only phone that allowed you to load a custom rom and relock the bootloader. Other phones kept the bootloader unlocked once it was modded.
So, graphene could be put on those phones if the devs wanted to do it, but it would be less secure since the bootloader would remain unlocked.
Also, supporting a small line a phones is probably infinitely easier than a range, of devices, but it would be nice to have another option. Especially now that the Fairphone pice is reasonable.
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
I mean, you could use CalyxOS
It dosent have such things as 2 factor pin auth for fingerprint, but its the closest to Graphene
jabjoe@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Not quite the same. The big thing with GrapheneOS is it can run the actual Google services, but sandboxed. Organic Maps is better than Google Maps in everyway, but it’s routes are so much worse because it has no traffic into to go on. It’s an anticompetitive network effect, but it’s hard to fight without law makers.
sonosonic@lemy.lol 4 hours ago
I’ve had this phone for over a year with Murena e/OS/! 90hz refresh rate is so nice
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
Shame there is no Graphene OS support for it
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 9 minutes ago
It has CalyxOS support though. A decent alternative.
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 15 hours ago
Graphene isn’t the best choice for everything. It doesn’t have good backup solutions nor device to device backup or anything solid for complete snapshots and when restoring your so called backups you’ll realize what all it truly lacks.
It’s hardened and has a lot of security and privacy features but none of that matters if your opsec is bad, or it’s feature set doesn’t match your threat model. I am not knocking it at all. It just isn’t the white knight for every case.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
Agreed.
That said, it would be awesome to have an alternative to Pixel devices if you do want GrapheneOS.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 14 hours ago
Seedvault worked fine for me when I moved phones last year.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
The biggest downside of Fairphone IMO is that they don’t maintain their hardware support in LineageOS and for the retail product then branch development off, add a bit of custom branding and adapt whatever Google requires these days. It would greatly improve custom ROM support in general.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
no other manufacturer ever will have graphnene os support. their requirements cannot be met unless you are a tech gian, and with exceptionally good connections to the hardware manufacturers
uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
Was thinking the same thing. Not Graphenes fault though but a failing of OEMs to provide what’s necessary.
CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 17 hours ago
And it doesn’t support US bands for TMobile
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
For 4G. 5G is fine.
FireWire400@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
You could always go for /e/os though
TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
/e/os is a security dumpster fire. It’s even worse than stock Android. Stay away from it.
VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
If they just didn’t drop the headphone jack.
IllNess@infosec.pub 17 hours ago
How else would they push their mediocre reviewed Bluetooth headsets and ear buds?
tetris11@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 9 minutes ago
Good for you.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Wanna know how many times I played a piano in the past 20 years?
Zero. Clearly they shouldn’t exist.
vala@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This is fine if you don’t care about having the best audio quality and lowest latency possible.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 12 hours ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Okay? You’re not the one asking for a headphone jack tho???
Natanael@slrpnk.net 17 hours ago
I use my backup headphones when my Bluetooth headset has run out of battery
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
My last phone had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? All the time! And that was despite having decent Bluetooth headphones.
I loved wearing my cans when mowing the lawn because it cut down on the noise, and I also used them when laying in bed since they had much better audio. I would use my Bluetooth headphones the rest of the time because they were more convenient.
My new phone doesn’t have headphone jack, and I’m super bummed.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I use mine. Bluetooth is great and all, but it’s still not the same quality as a hard-line. And they also run out of batteries.
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
Ok I use my wired headphones
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 15 hours ago
I used mine all the time because I hate using bluetooth even though I have expensive bluetooth headphones, I have now cancelled you out
otp@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
My decent Bluetooth headphones have the option to plug in a headphone cable to use them wired. I use it occasionally so I can reduce audio latency, which can be useful with gaming…and essential with rhythm games.
tostiman@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Ah, that’s a dealbreaker for me
Ulrich@feddit.org 15 hours ago
That’s cool. Let me know when it gets support for GrapheneOS and finds it’s headphone jack again.
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
The answer is likley never, GOS devs dont trust Fairphone devs (due to poor security practices) and Fairphone devs are unwilling (in some cases unable) to meet the extremely high standards for GOS.
altphoto@lemmy.today 13 hours ago
bilb@lem.monster 13 hours ago
Doesn’t that basically equate to “yep, this is an android phone?”
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
… That’s because it comes with vanilla android, unless you buy the e/OS version or flash it yourself
iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 13 hours ago
I’d just install another OS to begin with. But again, I’d reaaally like it to be GrapheneOS. And then again, Pixels also come with all that crap (and much more) enabled by default.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I hope Graphene eventually shifts to support the fairphones. Doubtful, but it’d be perfect
vga@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
No, it’s the other way around. Fairphone needs to implement the things Graphene requires.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Por que no los dos?
AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
If we could get a Fairphone with GrapheneOS, that would be the perfect phone for me. Repairability & the most secure and private Android. Sign me up!
LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 hours ago
Hows their secure boot?
MITM0@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Bring back the headphone jack
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 8 hours ago
We can but hope. I have a dongle that plugs into my charging point to make it a headphone jack, but it’s not the same
Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 hours ago
I recently went through that dongle buying experience. Having to get the correct DAC and amplifier chipset so the sound won’t be too low is annoying. For the record I ended up going with one that has the CX31993 DAC and the MAX97220 amplifier. It is a bit louder than my first impulsive buy, but I haven’t tested the microphone yet.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
No thanks, i’ve broken every single one. A dap with bluetooth receiver works better.
Infernal_pizza@lemm.ee 2 hours ago
But the presence of a headphone jack doesn’t prevent you from using Bluetooth?
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 5 hours ago
What do you do to break them?
In my forties and never broken a headphone jack, headphones, cable, or in fact anything like that. I tend to take care of my stuff and not treat it in such a way as I’m going to break it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
I would totally be interested if they had solid Linux support, such as postmarketOS or mobian. Those systems continue to get updates long after most Android devices stop supplying updates, so it would fit really well with a repairable phone. It shouldn’t be the default, but it would be awesome if they helped the Linux phone community make it the best supported hardware for the various Linux phone projects.
According to the postmarketOS wiki, audio is completely broken, so you have to use Bluetooth. That kind of sucks.
oascany@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
This would’ve been my new phone if it had a headphone jack.
Rubanski@lemm.ee 5 hours ago
From an environmental standpoint it doesn’t make any sense to drop it. More batteries, more e waste
kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 2 hours ago
Yup I’ll stick with Xperia
oascany@lemmy.world 4 minutes ago
I was trying so hard to buy one but Sony did not make them available at all in my country. The only way to buy an Xperia or a Zenfone 10 is through shady importer websites and you get no warranty.
weissbinder@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Really sad they dropped it
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
I really wish this was available in the US. I’ve found myself able to hang on to devices longer and longer. So this would be perfect. I’m only charging my battery to 80% and discharging it to 30% before charging it again just to prolong the life of the battery because that’s the first thing that dies on most devices. Having a user replaceable battery again would be an absolute godsend.
Naz@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
This is a 50% DoD and is considered best possible practice to prevent lithium-ion dendrite formation.
Updoot for good advice.
Proof:
Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 17 hours ago
If you don’t mind clarifying, what do you mean by DoD?
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 17 hours ago
I’m interested in this one also. I like the look of it. Currently a long-time Pixel user, but I’m open to other options.
Ruthalas@infosec.pub 17 hours ago
Are you using something to automate that? If so what? Does it require root?
Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Yeah, same here honestly. For real, I wish it was available in the US too
Pherenike@lemmy.ml 17 hours ago
Murena does ship them to the USA, but with /e/OS preinstalled, which is great if you’re into privacy and degoogling. I don’t know how it works with US carriers though. Feel free to ask them on their forum, community.e.foundation
kepix@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
ass stock operating system, no macro lens, shit battery, still overpriced. you are better off with a refurbished pixel with a custom os.
im still not sure the whole business thing is a just a greenwashing scam or not.
on the other hand the battery can just be popped out, has a cool semitranspaerant early 00s design.
Flukas88@feddit.it 5 hours ago
Out of curiosity… how is doing that in 2025?
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Anyone tried this Linuxphone?
FuckFascism@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Unfortunately it’s not available in the US though.
solrize@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
500 Euro for what amounts to a midrange phone still seems like consumerism to me. Better to get an older phone and hold onto it. My Moto G4 lasted 7 years before obsolescence and physical wear caught up with it. I wonder how many current Fairphones will still be in use in 2034.
PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I have the fairphone 4 and have had no issues. As long as a fairphone exists I don’t see any reason I should switch.
andallthat@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I like it a lot bit I need two physical SiM slots so it doesn’t work for me, unfortunately. But great idea and love the price drop
Ross_audio@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
No headphones jack.
Trash generating hypocrites.
HMD are doing everything better than fair phone now with their latest models. More repairable, more flexible, long term support and updates.
Cheaper too.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 17 hours ago
The lack of an FM radio and headphone jack make it unusable for me.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 18 hours ago
I wish importing phones were an option for my country, but no. Even if I secured a way to bring it here, it takes 1000 dollars just to register its IMEI to use here.
Sizing2673@lemmy.world 42 minutes ago
I really want this to come to the US as well…
Is this phone also more secure?
The problem we are running into right now is Apple and Google are colluding with the US government over fascism and they are supporting their Nazi regime
They have all the power and they can change all of these services overnight, they can track you and everything and you will have no idea and no way to get rid of it
We really need an open replacement. Phones are now used for everything
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 24 minutes ago
I used a Fairphone 4 with /e/ and it was good. Not great, but useable. I expect the hardware bugs I ran into (using the camera only worked like 20 times before the phone needed a restart, Bluetooth randomly not working) to be ironed out by now. Currently on an old Samsung and it is more solid, but I also liked the environmentalism with the fairphone. Anyone with a Fairphone 5 and something like a glucose sensor thats in constant use?