If they just didn’t drop the headphone jack.
The Fairphone 5 price has been dropped to €499. The phone is designed to be the most advanced environmentally friendly smartphone.
Submitted 1 month ago by dwazou@jlai.lu to technology@lemmy.world
https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5
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VolumetricShitCompressor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
IllNess@infosec.pub 1 month ago
How else would they push their mediocre reviewed Bluetooth headsets and ear buds?
tetris11@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
I use my backup headphones when my Bluetooth headset has run out of battery
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Okay? You’re not the one asking for a headphone jack tho???
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
my phone has a headphone jack, my phone before that had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? Zero because I have decent bluetooth headphones
Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I use mine. Bluetooth is great and all, but it’s still not the same quality as a hard-line. And they also run out of batteries.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
My last phone had a headphone jack. Wanna guess how often I used it? All the time! And that was despite having decent Bluetooth headphones.
I loved wearing my cans when mowing the lawn because it cut down on the noise, and I also used them when laying in bed since they had much better audio. I would use my Bluetooth headphones the rest of the time because they were more convenient.
My new phone doesn’t have headphone jack, and I’m super bummed.
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Ok I use my wired headphones
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 month ago
I used mine all the time because I hate using bluetooth even though I have expensive bluetooth headphones, I have now cancelled you out
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wanna know how many times I played a piano in the past 20 years?
Zero. Clearly they shouldn’t exist.
otp@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
My decent Bluetooth headphones have the option to plug in a headphone cable to use them wired. I use it occasionally so I can reduce audio latency, which can be useful with gaming…and essential with rhythm games.
vala@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is fine if you don’t care about having the best audio quality and lowest latency possible.
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Good for you.
tostiman@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Ah, that’s a dealbreaker for me
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 month ago
That’s cool. Let me know when it gets support for GrapheneOS and finds it’s headphone jack again.
altphoto@lemmy.today 1 month ago
bilb@lem.monster 1 month ago
Doesn’t that basically equate to “yep, this is an android phone?”
iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’d just install another OS to begin with. But again, I’d reaaally like it to be GrapheneOS. And then again, Pixels also come with all that crap (and much more) enabled by default.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 1 month ago
… That’s because it comes with vanilla android, unless you buy the e/OS version or flash it yourself
kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
The answer is likley never, GOS devs dont trust Fairphone devs (due to poor security practices) and Fairphone devs are unwilling (in some cases unable) to meet the extremely high standards for GOS.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I really wish this was available in the US. I’ve found myself able to hang on to devices longer and longer. So this would be perfect. I’m only charging my battery to 80% and discharging it to 30% before charging it again just to prolong the life of the battery because that’s the first thing that dies on most devices. Having a user replaceable battery again would be an absolute godsend.
Naz@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This is a 50% DoD and is considered best possible practice to prevent lithium-ion dendrite formation.
Updoot for good advice.
Proof:
Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
If you don’t mind clarifying, what do you mean by DoD?
polle@feddit.org 1 month ago
What kind of software creates this plot?
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 month ago
This is a 50% DoD and is considered best possible practice to prevent lithium-ion dendrite formation.
Not entirely true. “Best possible” would be left plugged in and charged to 50%. Next best would be 49-51%. Then 48-52% and so on.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
The really nice thing is that the larger phone batteries get the more you get to use at 50% depth of discharge. My phone is 5,000 mAh and so I get to use 2,500 mAh of it. Once average phones start getting 5,500 mAh, that will mean I will be able to use 2,750 mAh. 250mAh may not sound like a lot, but it can go a decently long way.
Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
What did you actually gain here? With my Pixel 7 it looks almost the same with 3.1% capacity loss per year without taking any special care of my battery. Is my phone an outlier or does it just not matter? And I almost exclusively charge with wireless.
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m interested in this one also. I like the look of it. Currently a long-time Pixel user, but I’m open to other options.
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sometimes last year Marquez Brownlee (I think it was him, I don’t think it was Dave2D) was conducting a blind test among his audience which Photos they thought looked best. Some top brands were jumping up and down from one test scenario to another but the Fairphone ended up in the midfield constantly. True, that’s not a glowing recommendation of the camera but at least an insurance that one doesn’t get utter trash either.
shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
That’s honestly one thing I’m really glad about. I’m legally blind, so pictures don’t honestly matter that much to me, and so I could really give a fuck less what the camera looks like as long as it functions well enough to act as a magnifier for me to read small print on things occasionally.
Like if I go pick up one of those frozen pizzas from the store and I need to read the box to know what temperature to set the oven to and how long to put it in. I use the camera to just zoom in on the print and read it and then leave the camera.
lostbit@feddit.nl 1 month ago
the camera is average. Don’t buy this phone for the camera
Ruthalas@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Are you using something to automate that? If so what? Does it require root?
Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, same here honestly. For real, I wish it was available in the US too
Pherenike@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Murena does ship them to the USA, but with /e/OS preinstalled, which is great if you’re into privacy and degoogling. I don’t know how it works with US carriers though. Feel free to ask them on their forum, community.e.foundation
dumblederp@aussie.zone 1 month ago
There’s other phones with user replaceable batteries. I looked it up a month or so ago. They’re not as ethical as fairphone, but still better than my drawer of working phones with dead batteries.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I hope Graphene eventually shifts to support the fairphones. Doubtful, but it’d be perfect
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
No, it’s the other way around. Fairphone needs to implement the things Graphene requires.
AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If we could get a Fairphone with GrapheneOS, that would be the perfect phone for me. Repairability & the most secure and private Android. Sign me up!
LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Hows their secure boot?
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
I wish they could implement the parts of the Pixel phones that allow GrapheneOS to be used.
Tangent5280@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What parts are these? I’ve always wondered what this was about, why the pixel was the only phone that could support GrapheneOS
Luffy879@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
I mean, you could use CalyxOS
It dosent have such things as 2 factor pin auth for fingerprint, but its the closest to Graphene
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I would totally be interested if they had solid Linux support, such as postmarketOS or mobian. Those systems continue to get updates long after most Android devices stop supplying updates, so it would fit really well with a repairable phone. It shouldn’t be the default, but it would be awesome if they helped the Linux phone community make it the best supported hardware for the various Linux phone projects.
According to the postmarketOS wiki, audio is completely broken, so you have to use Bluetooth. That kind of sucks.
MITM0@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Bring back the headphone jack
CheeseToastie@lazysoci.al 1 month ago
We can but hope. I have a dongle that plugs into my charging point to make it a headphone jack, but it’s not the same
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
No thanks, i’ve broken every single one. A dap with bluetooth receiver works better.
oascany@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This would’ve been my new phone if it had a headphone jack.
Rubanski@lemm.ee 1 month ago
From an environmental standpoint it doesn’t make any sense to drop it. More batteries, more e waste
weissbinder@feddit.org 1 month ago
Really sad they dropped it
kingshrubb@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Yup I’ll stick with Xperia
sirico@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I’ve owned the 4, for a couple of years. Was really excited to get one.
Parts have been unavailable for a long time when I needed them. The battery is pretty dead after 2 years meanwhile my pixel which is about 5 years old still going strong. The os is the buggiest experience I’ve ever had, sluggish, going from portrait the landscape kills UI formatting if it switches to power save it’ll skip a video. Boot loops constantly.
Never again I’m afraid it’s neat I could fix things with it so quickly but they fail hard past that.
Tonuka@feddit.org 1 month ago
Wow. I got the 4 at launch and honestly never had any problems except calls get fucked up more frequently recently. Didn’t know they stopped selling parts, what’s the point?
hamFoilHat@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Navigation buttons covering the Voyager UI is an Android/Voyager bug. It has happened on my last two phones.
roawn@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I’m using this phone right now and I love it. it feels solid. Im using a degoogled ROM and it just works, there seems to be a lot of people pressing for graphene os specifically and discrediting the phone for what it is. its so easy to take apart and cheaply repair its great. it’s perfect for folk who want a decent smartphone that you dont have to worry about being thrown around. sure it’s not perfect but it is still a very great photo
Sizing2673@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I really want this to come to the US as well…
Is this phone also more secure?
The problem we are running into right now is Apple and Google are colluding with the US government over fascism and they are supporting their Nazi regime
They have all the power and they can change all of these services overnight, they can track you and everything and you will have no idea and no way to get rid of it
We really need an open replacement. Phones are now used for everything
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 month ago
Only 400€ to go until I can afford it.
solrize@lemmy.world 1 month ago
500 Euro for what amounts to a midrange phone still seems like consumerism to me. Better to get an older phone and hold onto it. My Moto G4 lasted 7 years before obsolescence and physical wear caught up with it. I wonder how many current Fairphones will still be in use in 2034.
PixellatedDave@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have the fairphone 4 and have had no issues. As long as a fairphone exists I don’t see any reason I should switch.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Please get through the FCC and open sales in the USA before Fairphone 6 is made.
I really don’t want to buy another unrepairable phone.
ravelin@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Aaaand it’s impossible to buy in the US. Even if USians want to do the right thing, we’re not permitted.
sonosonic@lemy.lol 1 month ago
I’ve had this phone for over a year with Murena e/OS/! 90hz refresh rate is so nice
oliver@lemmy.neuralwhisper.eu 1 month ago
Still like the idea behind it and wish there was support for GrapheneOS (going even further than /e/o) as well as better camera quality but this is the price we have to pay for flexibility and sustainability I think. Like the concept here but never tried to go with one so far.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
The lack of an FM radio and headphone jack make it unusable for me.
rmuk@feddit.uk 1 month ago
The hardware is good and I like the idea in principle but Fairphone’s support and software QA is dreadful and you need to hope you never need the former because of problems with the latter. My FP5 was bricked by an update they pushed out and after six weeks of trying to get a solution from their support (four weeks of which they didn’t respond at all) I ended up claiming on insurance and buying a Pixel. According to the forums this problem is far from unique to me.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 1 month ago
I wish importing phones were an option for my country, but no. Even if I secured a way to bring it here, it takes 1000 dollars just to register its IMEI to use here.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Really wish Fairphone would come to the US. I’d spend the money on it, but they only half-ass sold the last gen phone here on the US.
I don’t even understand why. Most Qualcomm, Quectel, and other radios support worldwide 4G and 5G bands now. Even if they didn’t officially sell it here but had a variant that supported US bands you could import, I’d be happy.
Ross_audio@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No headphones jack.
Trash generating hypocrites.
HMD are doing everything better than fair phone now with their latest models. More repairable, more flexible, long term support and updates.
Cheaper too.
sixty@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The headphone jack user to lemmy user ratio is apparently nearly 1:1
FuckFascism@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Unfortunately it’s not available in the US though.
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Anyone tried this Linuxphone?
petaqui@lemmings.world 1 month ago
Fairphone 6 approaching? They are great, the project is amazing and I wish every brand would be like them in terms of caring about users and environment
Shardikprime@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Great idea, but will never take down here in south America
People know that all these import parts and replacements are not exactly easy to pay for, even less to find. They need a cheap reliable phone that will at least handle day to day for years
I mean come on, the average cellphone user here is still using the equivalent of a Moto G2 or Samsung J2 and thats stretching it.
An S8 is still seen like luxury in here. And I’m not even going into iphones.
kepix@lemmy.world 1 month ago
ass stock operating system, no macro lens, shit battery, still overpriced. you are better off with a refurbished pixel with a custom os.
im still not sure the whole business thing is a just a greenwashing scam or not.
on the other hand the battery can just be popped out, has a cool semitranspaerant early 00s design.
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Shame there is no Graphene OS support for it
woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The biggest downside of Fairphone IMO is that they don’t maintain their hardware support in LineageOS and for the retail product then branch development off, add a bit of custom branding and adapt whatever Google requires these days. It would greatly improve custom ROM support in general.
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Graphene isn’t the best choice for everything. It doesn’t have good backup solutions nor device to device backup or anything solid for complete snapshots and when restoring your so called backups you’ll realize what all it truly lacks.
It’s hardened and has a lot of security and privacy features but none of that matters if your opsec is bad, or it’s feature set doesn’t match your threat model. I am not knocking it at all. It just isn’t the white knight for every case.
hersh@literature.cafe 1 month ago
What’s wrong with Seedvault?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Agreed.
That said, it would be awesome to have an alternative to Pixel devices if you do want GrapheneOS.
AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Seedvault worked fine for me when I moved phones last year.
CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 month ago
And it doesn’t support US bands for TMobile
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
For 4G. 5G is fine.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
T-Mobile supports these bands:
Fairphone 5 supports these bands:
It looks like the Fairphone 5 covers T-Mobiles 5G Frequency Band 1 frequencies (bold), but Frequency Band 2 is not covered (italic).
Regarding 4G, the Fairphone 5 covers all LTE networks (bold) except for extended range band B25 (italics).
It covers some, but not all.
uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Was thinking the same thing. Not Graphenes fault though but a failing of OEMs to provide what’s necessary.
baduhai@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
It has CalyxOS support though. A decent alternative.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Agreed. I was debating between CalyxOS and GrapheneOS, and I ended up w/ GrapheneOS because I ended up picking the Pixel 8 due to the long software support cycle. If I picked any other phone, I would’ve ended up w/ CalyxOS.
Both are great projects.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
no other manufacturer ever will have graphnene os support. their requirements cannot be met unless you are a tech gian, and with exceptionally good connections to the hardware manufacturers
FireWire400@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You could always go for /e/os though
TacticalCheddar@lemm.ee 1 month ago
/e/os is a security dumpster fire. It’s even worse than stock Android. Stay away from it.
AnotherHelldiver@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
Fairphone brand is basically saying to everyone “Hey look at our generic Android phone with everything you need from Google, including AI stuff and data collection” and when you ask if you can have a privacy friendly features they basically say “Nope, we just do a phone with replaceable parts, that’s all. Don’t ask for more”
yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
And it would be such good marketing strategy “replaceable parts + privacy”
At least someone commented CalyxOS supports it which seems to be a good alternative to GrapheneOS