They could just become a European company. I’m just saying.
Framework temporarily pausing some laptop sales in the US due to tariffs
Submitted 3 weeks ago by cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://fosstodon.org/@frameworkcomputer/114297967333461078
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moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Or Canadian. Since they have quite a passionatr investor there already
moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Oh, of course, my intent was more “quit the US”.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
They’re built in Taiwan though right so realistically them being the US company is more to do with where their officers are based. So they really could just move.
It would screw over the people who work there of course.
equinox86@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
That’s sad , I am seriously considering getting one to support their business model.
Rozz@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Really sad. This would be one of the first places I was planning to look when I need a new computer
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The good news is it looks like it is only the 13" systems being paused for now. And they likely can get them going again once they figure out the new tariff reqs and get the new prices integrated on the website.
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Pretty much every other laptop manufacturer is going to be hit by the same tariffs
Ulrich@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
If it makes you feel better, no one will go unscathed.
DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
This is pausing US sales only. Misleading title, only affects one country.
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Yeah it was a bit worried about that for a moment and I’ve already given them £100.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I genuinely hate ameri-centrism like this, so many articles have headlines like that
doodledup@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not in Europe AFAIK.
lengau@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
But without the plants and blue water.
DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
It only affects one country.
mski@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I got a Framework 13 a couple months ago - it’s been awesome so far. I’m happy to support their business model & repairability - it’s super awesome.
Sucks for you guys south of the 49th parallel who have to deal with (pay) all these ludicrous tariffs!
beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Just bought my FW13 last month. USA. It’s either perfect timing, because tariffs. Or terrible timing, because tariffs. I haven’t decided yet.
Love the laptop though!
Botzo@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Waiting on my 13 (ryzen ai 7 350). Hope they don’t claw back for a price hike…
grrrmo@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
I would expect a small company like them to be the most vulnerable to tariffs. This might cause them to go out of business.
jonne@infosec.pub 3 weeks ago
They could start selling their inventory to countries they don’t sell to yet. Although I’m assuming they’re just pausing under the assumption that the tariffs are temporary.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I wonder how it works though. Do they get finished laptops off a ship from China, or do they do final assembly in the US?
If they do anything in the US, then they’ll have to pay import tariffs to get the things they’re using, and then have to make up that tariff when selling it to other countries. I assume that the only way to avoid tariffs is to avoid any part of their products ever entering the US. But, how easy is it to change their business so despite being a US-based business their products avoid the US entirely?
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
There are still countries other than the US.
DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
If the Americans could read, they’d be very upset to read this.
Zurgo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Hey Framework, how about sending some laptops down under? I still am not able to buy any from the website here in NZ
Dave@lemmy.nz 3 weeks ago
Same here! I have one but can’t get components any more because they locked down freight forwarding 🙁
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I suppose you could just get someone to ship them to you. Of course then you would have to trust them.
Petter1@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
The time of the great smuggling has arrived 🤭 with that much money that can be saved, I bet we see a big spike in smuggled goods.
mycall@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Canary in the coal mine turns into Standard Operating Procedure.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
During their keynote they said they were largely unaffected 😣
mholiv@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That was more than a day ago though. Trump’s lack of prudence ensures that companies can’t plan ahead. That includes the Taiwan based framework.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They were largely unaffected by the tariffs targeting China, because US trade policy distinguishes between mainland China and Taiwan. Problem was that Trump announced huge tariffs on everyone, including a 32% tariff on Taiwan.
peereboominc@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Why not add the tariff to the price? If someone in the US still wants it, they can buy it and pay the tariff.
TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I assume they will. The problem right now is how volatile and abrupt these policies are. If they make an adjustment now, sell a laptop at that price, and then tomorrow additional tariffs are implemented they may well end up with a loss on that sale to you. The pause is likely just to see where things will stabilize to.
flux@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
They presumably assume they’d be selling so little that it wouldn’t be worth the trouble.
They’ll probably wait out this situation for a while and see what the competition does…
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
By the time they calculate the result on their retail price and update the website the orange will probably change everything again.
seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
How is pausing sales in one area, rather than just raising prices accordingly, the better business decision? No one is forcing them to sell at a specific price point.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A big problem with Trump’s tariffs isn’t that they exist; it’s that they’re subject to change at any moment. To be clear, they’re idiotic. But no one can invest in anything long term in America right now.
Imagine opening a restaurant in the U.S. right now. Half your kitchen equipment is subject to steel or aluminum tariffs. You don’t know if you can import anything. Or you can wait a year and see how full Trump’s diaper is. He also looks half dead without makeup and might have pissed off the Yakuza (or worse). The smart move is to wait to open your restaurant.
Now imagine any business bigger than a restaurant.
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Imagine even a business that is supposed to benefit from tariffs, like garment manufacturing. Previously it wasn’t worth it because other countries could do it cheaper. So, now you could set up a garment factory and start making things in the US. You can buy cotton from Texas, spin it into yarn, make that yarn into cloth, do it all from seed to finished garment all in the USA.
But, can you really trust that these tariffs are going to be around for the long haul? If you invest $200k to start making clothing in the US, then Trump, the master negotiator, does a deal with Bangladesh and their tariffs go to zero again there’s no way you can compete and you’re out $200k.
Even if you’re extremely lucky and already had a US-based business that was surviving vs. overseas competition, would now be a good time to ramp up production? Sure, your goods are now much cheaper than your competitor’s goods, but with the economy cratering is anybody going to be buying?
There are times when tariffs can work extremely well for certain lucky companies, but they have to be targeted long-term tariffs. Not this chaos.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A big problem with Trump’s tariffs isn’t that they exist
Haven’t even finished reading your first sentence before I HARD disagree with you.
cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Many business are doing that pending clarity/resolution on the tariff. Here another example with automobile maker holding cars in port eu.usatoday.com/story/money/…/82981796007/
seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
But like that article says, automakers have ~3 months of inventory already in the US. They aren’t pausing sales, they are just continuing selling what they have here while betting the tariffs get lowered in the next 3 months.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Supply line disruptions
red@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
You think the customers would be happy paying 1500$ in US and 1000$ after stepping outside US borders?
Trumps shit tariffs will be gone soon enough, hopefully with him.
independantiste@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
To let you skip the article, they are pausing sales to the USA on the base models of the framework 13, presumably because those are their lowest margin models. The two affected SKUs for the moment are the Intel 125H and Ryzen 7640U