linux primary with dual boot for a windows install just because of the games that won’t work.
6* months away now. If you're on 10, do you plan to upgrade? Make the jump to Linux?
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Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 1 year ago
sdtg5afwooasiwefr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This year will be the year of the Linux desktop for shure. I believe in it like the years before.
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
For Shure maybe, but what about for other audio products companies?
P. S. I unironically believe 2025 may be looked back on as the year of the Linux desktop. May have finally got through the trough, we’ll see though.
terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I am going to attempt to switch to Linux, I’m definitely not going to willingly use windows platforms again.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 1 year ago
I bought a new computer a few years ago that has 11 on it. With how the Steam Deck has seemed to really promote Linux for gaming, I’m seriously considering it on my next build.
It is very obvious to me that Windows is becoming increasingly subject to enshittification.
terrifyingtuba@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, proton seems to really work wonders, and it seems it’s only going to get better. I have windows 11 on my work laptop and I hate it.
humpacactus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
As a lifelong windows gamer I’ve just switched to cachyos and honestly it’s been fantastic. Performance seems on par (or within 5 percent) and it’s super customizable. Haven’t had any issues getting things working, including non-steam alphas. Went into it thinking I’d probably switch back, but have no need currently. You definitely need some troubleshooting skills, but nothing too crazy if you already tinker a bit in windows.
kjetil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Zarxrax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A couple weeks ago I attempted to switch over to Linux. Tried installing both Cachyos and Nobara. It was kind of a shit show, nothing worked correctly, stuff was erroring out and crashing left and right, and after a couple days I gave up.
Today I went ahead and installed windows 11. There were some issues… It wouldn’t recognize my CD key, and I accidentally wiped a partition from the wrong drive. But as for the os itself, I spent a few hours getting things set up, and it’s not as horrible as I thought it would be. I was able to simply turn off most of the shit like copilot and recall, and all the advertisements, and I pretty much have it working as I want it to.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
If you ever give it a go again, I’d suggest trying to get used to software that you’d need to use on Linux (aka, alternatives that won’t work well outside of windows). I already used a lot of free openscource software that works on Linux like libre office, krita, kdenlive, obs, when i used windows. That made swapping a lot more comfortable. Next I really recomend something like Linux mint, or popos (look up screenshots and decide witch one looks cooler) then, if you are enjoying it after a few months, give arch or nixos a try, or don’t if the distro you use does what you want, and you found ways to make it work for you, then stick with it. I hope the next time you give it a try works out better for you.
kjetil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Da Vinci Resolve has native Linux builds though and should work. And does on Ubuntu based, Rocky Linux, arch and NixOS. I’m not sure about Nobora (Fedora based).
Though it’s hard to know what went wrong with vague descriptions like “everything was crashing”…
RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I’ve been using Linux for years and I’ve never heard of the distros you just named.
I’m not surprised at all that you had trouble using niche distros. Try something more popular with good documentation so you have a community supporting you with bug testing, guides, and Q+As when people run into issues you might run into later.
Zarxrax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
My priorities are being able to run Davinci resolve and Steam games. Nobara ticks those boxes while advertising itself as user friendly. I have heard too many stories of people having trouble getting this stuff running on something like Linux mint, so I didn’t go in that direction. I need to do more with my computer than just view web sites or write code.
Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
No way I’m switching to Linux yet, multi monitors support with mixed resolutions and vrr on nvidia still kinda sucks. As soon as someone makes that work I’ll try it out on a separate partition. Buy last time I tried my other monitors had all kinds of issues when I had games open with gysnc
sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 year ago
Dual mon with diff res works as expected here. I even have different hz I think
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’m using multi monitors with mixed resolutions and a very old nvidia card (gtx 670).
The only problem I have is that if I put them to sleep, while autorandr or whatever gets me the resolutions and layout back, the app windows move around like crazy because they all wake up at different times, likely due to a mix of HDMI + DVI + DisplayPort connections.
CaptKoala@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
When that time comes I’ll probably either remove networking from, or just wipe win10 entirely.
Been using mint as my daily for a while now and I hate booting into windows 😂
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s going to be purchase a new hard drive and then jump to Linux Mint this August.
It’s not an experience I am looking forward to (5080S, I do a lot of modding, and enjoy fangames/indie games which do not always play nice with linux) but needs must - the Linux community in general is very friendly, so we’ll get through it, even if the first 6 months are rough. I’ll keep the dual boot and push the windows partition to 11 if needed by work, that way I can put off rewriting my elderly access database for another few years.
Honestly, Microsoft are committing suicide when it comes to home users. It won’t be sudden, but the wheels are turning, all the IT savvy folks are switching people over (already did my aunt’s potato, mum’s demi-tato is next week). Eventually, a tipping point will be reached and offices will start switching - I hope that day comes before I die of old age!
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
Mint
I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, oddly enough, I’m not a complete novice. My background is mostly just lubuntu, puppy, mint and a bit of debian. I’ve shifted away from Ubuntu after the pro service ads in terminal, and the absolute fucking nightmare that is snap.
I’ve done my time in “oh shit I fucked up Linux again” purgatory, and it’s my daily driver for work. Terminal is a place I’m generally ok with; I know enough to find my way around and fix things as needed.
My issue is I’ve never really run dedicated graphics from a Linux distro, and because of the continual updates and proprietary elements I worry about keeping up. I don’t mind breaking things, it comes with the territory.
That said, bazzite sounds interesting - especially the optimisation. The guides on the main page also alerted me to something I’d not considered - going to have to redo my filesystem on every drive. Thanks for the idea of an alt distro, will dig into this a bit more - if it’s built in fedora I might have a bit of a learning curve (never used it as a distro).
AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 1 year ago
…all the IT savvy are switching people over…
Totally feels strange because my dad’s laptop doesn’t have the TPM requirement and he was telling me about how he was talking to the IT guy at his work about possibly switching to Linux just so he can keep his laptop. Absolutely insane because I might not be the only person in my house using it anymore (android not included because I view it as a completely separate entity).
I was telling him that day that I could flash Mint (have the most recent addition on my laptop) to a thumb drive if he was actually wanting to switch over. He’s definitely an average computer user, so nothing too special, but it still feels real weird.
Though this will also suck for a while because the tech savvy people helping them switch over will also be running IT for these people who have never used Linux before and most likely have never even used windows CMD either. Cannot wait for stories of people being fed up because their parent/aunt/uncle/friend/whoever looked up how to fix their device and entered the cursed rf command without thinking once about it.
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, in the case of my aunt, there were a few teething troubles. That said, a lot of it was just requests to add web page shortcuts to her desktop.
The really big thing is that she’s stopped complaining about how slow her laptop is, and openly says she finds it easier to use.
Most of the troubleshooting is going to be around office software and games. It’s also going to be about replacing windows tools (I am really going to miss my “.bat cave”), and learning new troubleshooting skills (wine is a bit rough to troubleshoot unless you’re willing to get your mining gear out and dig deep into logs).
dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
good thing about the terminal is it scares most general users so much that they won’t touch it even with instructions. There will be many issues, but I don’t think people running random commands in the terminal will be one
Frieren@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Best part is, if they do switch over they won’t go back. Not having to deal either bloat and telemetry is worth it.
kjetil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tip: Add your non-steam games to steam to launch launch them with Proton. thats probably the easiest way.
Otherwise there’s Bottles and Lutris (and maybe HeroicLauncher)
HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thanks for the tips!
Lutris I’ve used with some success, and I’m somewhat ok with wine when it works out if the box (or troubleshooting using the wine wiki).
Do you recommend any other sites/guides for troubleshooting?
Iceblade02@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s also umu!
It essentially (if I’ve understood things correctly) aims to replicate the behaviour of proton.
Works like a charm, I have a simple alias set up that will run almost any .exe - even installers and stuff. Only thing that hasn’t worked so far was my digital exam software (that is essentially a windows rootkit) because it couldn’t find the cursor images lol.
Goretantath@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I literally just swapped my key for my win10 pc’s to win10 ltsc iot with mass and now dont have to worry for wayy longer. I suggest everyone without the option to switch to do the same.
cryptid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
What
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
They bought the long term commercial version of Windows 10 instead of upgrading to 11 or Linux.
They suggested other people do the same
robdor@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Where’s that steam os release
EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
If you want SteamOS there are plenty of options that are effectively the exact same thing but with a different name.
robdor@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
I tried a few but couldn’t get them to work. I think the issue was my 1080ti GPU. I did get one of the other recommended Debian kde plasma builds installed and that one is looking nice. I was having issues with getting the same games to run that work on my steam deck. Probably just need to spend more time on it.
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 year ago
Going to migrate to Bazzite. Just need a free weekend to do it.
Bimfred@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The basics (getting the OS installed, some initial settings to your liking etc) is quick. Managed to go from “completely untouched build” to “we gaming on Linux now boys” in a couple hours and most of that was waiting for BG3 to download on my 100Mbit connection. Pretty much everything I needed worked right on the first boot. Then again, I didn’t have much data to transfer over.
Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
100% worth it. I’ve had a few issues early on but I’m rocking oldish hardware (6700k, 2080 ti). It’s been rock solid for the last 6 months though. A lot of games that ran semi poorly in Windows run great now (Control and Arkham Knight def come to mind) and some cpu heavy bullet hell style games slow to a crawl now much earlier on (I can get sub 20 fps real quick in Rogue Genesia).
Hazelnutcookiez@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
My old as hell PC died I’m getting a steam deck as a replacement with a dock and …so I’ll just be dual booting into windows 11 and obviously steam OS when I decide to play hand held.
danciestlobster@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I would love some advice, personally. How big of an issue is this really? Like…do I really have to care if there aren’t system updates anymore? How big of a security risk is it actually?
Thadrax@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Sooner or later the issue will be that some software probably won’t be available any more for your system.
beastlykings@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
This is a minor issue compared to the security risks. See the other comment in this thread for a good explanation.
Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 year ago
In the short-term (0-6mo, maybe less): nothing really changes.
Medium-term (maybe up to a year or two): you’re looking at real potential to get infected with --who-knows-what–. Hard to say how long it would take or how widespread it would be.
Longer term: massive, massive security hole. Microsoft has probably even patched a few major things by now, but there will always be more
VanillaFrosty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well the thing is, we don’t know. Maybe 10 is patched so well that no one is hanging onto a major exploit just waiting for EOL. Or so well that no new major exploits are found (extremely unlikely). Then so long as you’re just gaming or watching YouTube it doesn’t really matter.
But someone could be holding onto one or someone could stumble into one. And all it takes is one.
isaaclw@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I wonder if I could jail it from the rest of my network.
The problem I guess is if I dual boot, I wont feel like the data on linux is safe, and Id need to ensure I set up and take down the jail while booting windows…
I guess I should just fix the linux issues that make my gaming experience less fun. Maybe I need a fancier graphics card.
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
Already done. I dual boot at work (translated: I have a dormant win10 partition just in case, but I’m more likely to use my win10 VM in Linux) and at home I’m Linux only, having wiped my windows partition to reclaim the space within weeks of installing Linux.
I use Mint Cinnamon in both places. It’s a very polished, all in one, install and go OS. But it’s still Linux so I have the terminal available and I can find out how to fiddle with and change whatever I want.
For all manner of 2D desktop use, I find it superior to windows. Even being a very full-featured distro, when the software is made to serve the user and not 50 competing corporate priorities, you can tell. It’s so much more responsive and nice to use. (It is not flawless of course)
For gaming, I don’t play the newest stuff or multiplayer games with crazy anti-cheat, but I have not had any regrets so far. Many games have native Linux versions, probably thanks to valve and the Steam deck, but windows games running in proton have been smooth sailing for me.
I think I’ve just dealt with enough computer crap in my life that I prefer using not just Linux apps but FOSS software for as much as I can. If some game or some photo editing suite will absolutely not work in Linux or work acceptably in a VM, I am fine with it not existing in my world. I used to not find that acceptable, but now I’m over it. In a chill way though, not an angry anti-Microsoft way.
nl4real@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Already switched the laptop over to Mint. Desktop to follow.
BingBong@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Bought my wife a framework laptop, slapped fedora on it and have been helping her make the switch. So far so good other than Obsidian not working the same as OneNote.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
I recommend trying out zim, I love it!
naticus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How’ve you/her liked the Framework? Which one did you get? I’ve been considering one for months but I don’t have a huge need but it’d be nice to have a solid laptop rather than my Chromebook that I’m running Arch on when I’m on my couch.
BingBong@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Framework 13 DIY edition. I’ve been quite happy so far and so has she. Configuring it was trivial and the one issue I ran into (setting up backups) was due to my not being familiar with fedora and KDE. Build quality is good, the bezel was the only part that gave me pause. She doesn’t use it a ton so it’s likely any minor nagging quirks will take a while to tease out.
HollowNaught@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Swapped to Linux last week. Currently dual booting. Over the coming months, I’m going to slowly transfer all my stuff over as well
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 1 year ago
Jumped to linux with a new laptop, but not gaming on it. It’s fine for what I need. My old machine will be for gaming only.
derin@lemmy.beru.co 1 year ago
Been a Linux user for ages, I do have Windows 11 installed on another partition but I rarely - if ever - boot into it.
I mention the above spiel because I don’t understand what additional points people have against windows 11? It seems very similar to windows 10 for me - what’re the reasons for people hating it?
Genuinely not trying to be obtuse, here - I’m just wondering what the primary pain points are of win 11?
Is it the requirement for using a Microsoft account to log in vs. a normal local account? Or the one drive stuff? (upon install it did move most of my personal folders into a weird OneDrive directory, and I had to use the registry to wipe out OneDrive and move them back. Very annoying.)
monarch@preferred.social 1 year ago
The inability to easily turn off copilot and the hiding setting between 3 different menus was the thing that finally did me in. I know you can turn copilot off but I didn't like the idea that Microsoft could "accidentally" re enable their spyware on my system. To be clear I am not being hyperbolic I really do think that recall and copilot are spyware that is just Microsoft approved. And then there is one drive just being pain in the ass constantly.
derin@lemmy.beru.co 1 year ago
Those all sound shitty - granted, I’m pretty sure I don’t have Copilot on my system, but maybe it didn’t ask me during the upgrade? Either way - my original point still stands: all of these seem just as bad as Win10 (to me, a person who barely used either).
Don’t get me wrong, I’m really glad people are joining us on the Linux bandwagon, it just seems like the reasons for making the switch are almost arbitrary. Another way of putting it would be: "This is what finally pushed you over? ‘Copilot’?"
Anyway, regardless, I’m happy that people are making better choices - regardless of the reasons for doing so!
njm1314@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Well my PC can’t do windows 11, and upgrading is now impossible thanks to a certain someone. So yeah…
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
My 15 year old desktop also “couldn’t do windows 11”, but you can bypass whatever bullshit limitations Microsoft puts on the installation process. That computer has been running 11 for several years now without any issues at all. Rock solid.
naticus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Made my jump to Arch (btw) a couple of years ago and haven’t really looked back. I have Win10 as a second boot option, but that’s reserved specifically for Game Pass and VR, but it’s very rare I boot it. Don’t care to upgrade even after EOL, and I’d never recommend Arch to anyone but the most comfortable with Linux, but it’s been a great option for me.
Cocopanda@futurology.today 1 year ago
If I can still game. I might just move to Linux. But also am enjoying pricing out a windows 11 build with my imaginary budget.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 1 year ago
The only things that don’t work at this point have actual malware as a mandatory requirement
Cocopanda@futurology.today 1 year ago
I’m sure WarThunder is included in that.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Check Proton DB. If the games you enjoy work fine on Linux, which is the case for most games these days thanks to Proton, you should be good. The big exception is games with kernel-level anticheat.
If not, you can always dual boot for the few games that don’t.
I made the switch to pure Linux gaming when I got my Steam Deck two years ago. Been loving it ever since. Even SteamVR games work great streaming to my Quest headset.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I had read that Steam on WINE is pretty stable. Is it not?
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Valve made a compatibility layer for the Steam Deck and Linux called Proton. It uses a lot of technologies, including WINE, dxvk, and more to make Windows games run well on Linux. It basically takes Windows API calls and translates them to Linux with little to no performance penalty.
Steam also has native builds for Windows, macOS, ChromeOS, and Linux how, so you can just install it. Most Linux distros have Steam right in their software manager now.
Typically, unless the game has blocked Linux with something like kernel-level anticheat, it’ll “just work” on Linux now. There is a community database called ProtonDB that has a list of games and how well they do or don’t work.
Hope this helps and feel free to ask any questions.
theneverfox@pawb.social 1 year ago
Steam runs natively and uses proton for game compatibility, similar idea to wine but it’s geared for games
It’s pretty good. Most games will run, sometimes with a little jiggling to get it to work, although performance isn’t quite as good (some games are particularly rough)
I’m technically dual booting, but I haven’t launched Windows in almost a year, and there’s only been a handful of games I passed on primarily because of support
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a small laptop that I’m testing this stuff out on before I put together a new computer from parts I ordered before the tariffs took effect.
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
My (perfectly good) PC isn’t Win 11 compatible, so I can’t upgrade from 10. I’ve got Linux running on an old laptop so I’m thinking of installing it on my PC. Buuut a few years back I moved from Google Drive to OneDrive and so now I’m looking at Proton Drive instead. It’s all a big time soak, sigh. But worth it? I guess… The timing isn’t great either - I’ve got an exam in October that I need to study hard for and do practical prep as well, plus I have travel plans. It’s all a bit much. I’m too old to be this busy!
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 year ago
I have Windows only for League, no Steam installed. Ergo I don’t count
Someone8765210932@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I technically have a Win10+Linux dual boot setup right now, but I haven’t used the Linux install in forever, and I think it’s broken. So I’ll probably fix this and then use Linux when possible and continue using the unsupported win10 for everything that needs windows.
I remember people mentioning the win10 LTCS version with 10 years support, but I’m not going to buy anything from them. Maybe I’ll use it unactived if needed.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Cough MassGavel Activation Scripts Cough
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Linux for gaming and most other use cases, Windows for the one proprietary application I use. Although I suppose I might go IoT LTSC.
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 1 year ago
Switching to Linux with no intentions of moving back. I’m fed up with MS. I’m not settled on which distro (and I don’t want to distro hop on my main machine) but I know for sure that I’m switching.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
I’m not settled on which distro
I distro hop a lot, myself, but I always hear nice things about Linux Mint. (And last time I used Mint, I had no complaints.)
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 1 year ago
I love trying other distros but I can’t afford to regularly be down a few days to a week to restore backups, which is why I want my main system to stick with a distro long-term. Mint is definitely one of my strongest considerations for sure.
Mio@feddit.nu 1 year ago
I am on Fedora. But i still have Windows dual boot left. But I dont use Windows 10 that often - I don’t see the need. I just have it as a backup OS. I have free enough free diskspace on my SSD so currently not doing anything.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
But I dont use Windows 10 that often - I don’t see the need. I just have it as a backup OS. I have free enough diskspace on my SSD so currently not doing anything.
I did exactly that for many years. And then one day I had something that called for booting to a separate OS, so…
my solution
Trusting Windows with whatever it was still made me nervous, and I crammed an Ubuntu Live USB into a USB port and booted to that.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dbkblk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
20 years for me (even thought I used Windows for a year in there).
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 1 year ago
There’s also the issue of people who regularly play games with kernel AC, particularly with studios who intentionally refuse Linux support.
dbkblk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, but honestly, I find that games enforcing incompatible AC are often poorly developed games. The latest that disappointed me was EA WRC. It was quite good, but the gameplay was less interesting that Dirt Rally 2, for exemple, and since they enforced AC, they also started to deploy DLC, and destroy the game. The lesson was to never ever buy something from Electronic Arts (the last time was more than 10 years ago for me). And kernel level anti-cheat is NO GO on my computer. It doesn’t matter if the game is awesome or not, I disagree with the fact that a game company has root access on my computer just for entertainement.
sporkler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I upgraded last year, have lost no functionality
pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Upgraded to Linux or Windows 11?
Because nobody is claiming you’ll lose functionality with Windows 11, so your post seems to imply Linux but I’m unsure.
sporkler@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Linux
CitricBase@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Me too! I upgraded to Fedora Linux. It’s amazing how everything just works, even all the games I play.