lol there’s already a fix: run start ms-cxh:localonly from a CMD line in the installer
Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
Submitted 1 year ago by Irelephant@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/news/638967/microsoft-windows-11-account-internet-bypass-blocked
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KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
[deleted]arkanoid@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’m a long time Linux user going back to the linux 1 kernel days. The only reason I still use Windows on my home PC is for gaming. I know Linux has come a long way thanks to many contributors like Valve, but how stable are the AMD video drivers and how well does it work for playing AAA PC games? The last time I built a new PC (2023) I tried running Linux w/ Windows in a KVM virtual machine and direct GPU passthrough, but that was such a nightmare to get set up and working, I just wiped it and installed Windows 11. I game on it and run Hyper-V VMs for Linux, which feels like a sin.
HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a very extensive steam, gog, and battle.net library with all kinda of games from wolfenstein 3D to Baulders Gate 3. The only game I haven’t been able to run is Ground Control 2, but that doesn’t work on windows 10 (possible a USB device issue). Unless you play a game with an anti cheat that explicitly deny Linux (the only one I know off the top of my head that does that is Fortnite) you are most likely good to go. I’m quite a performance/fps snobb, and I haven’t found any game that runs worse on Linux either.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Does the dualboot of Mint cause any issues for Windows? I only tested it very briefly on somebody elses machines where I needed to wipe windows and install Linux
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What about Manjaro?
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
What about EndeavourOS?
What about Arch?
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I tell people to make a live usb to test it first.
IceFoxX@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Can recommend ventoy. Then simply put the iso’s from the main distributions with different DE’s on the stick
Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 1 year ago
We no longer own our products. We just pay to use it until they decide you can no longer use their service. What happens if they mysteriously shut down your account without warning?
That is what happened to a guy and he had to get court involved and then he found out his account was flagged for CP by their algorithm because he had a video of his 19 year old ex. False bans do happen. I couldn’t find that story again sadly to share.
Also, make sure you always have back up turned off or have one drive not installed on your phone. If you’re a parent, be careful what photos you take of your children because if those get backed up to cloud, their AI will kill your account because it can’t tell between CP and normal family photos.
I actually want to own our products than make accounts to use.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
We no longer own our products.
This is a popular saying but its not as clear cut. You have choice. You can own the products you use or buy. So why don’t you?
Yes, the software we used yesterday is no longer a one time purchase today. However, you still own the software you bought yesterday and you have choice to buy new software which you will own or you can subscribe to a service providing the updated version of the new software. Example:
I can still use a purchased copy of Adobe Lightoom from 2010.
I can buy a new license for Affinity Photo today and use it forever.
I can pay to use Lightroom as a service.Imo, the only price you pay is the trek you take into unfamiliarity brought on by using new software.
JustARegularNerd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
This happens on the Google side of the fence as well - this article immediately came to mind.
I’m glad I started self hosting so I still have a “cloud” convenience while still owning all my data and being the sole person responsible for it.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 1 year ago
Nothing’s stopping you from nuking your Windows install and installing some Linux distro though, at least on PC.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 1 year ago
LibreOffice better step up their games and make their office suites better. Outside of very niche and specialized applications like CAD or video editor, the average Joe will just need a good office suite to do stuff.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Most people just use the online office 365 thing.
What issues did you have with LibreOffice? I didn’t spot any problems when I used it
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Depends on what you do with it. In accountancy we and most of our clients work with Microsoft Office desktop. Also things like templates based on CRM work better with actual Word.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 1 year ago
oh LibreOffice works great for me in general. Only for some documents with macros that were created in MS Office, I have problems running them. Eg: I once received a MS Word document that has some preprogrammed drop down list - so you click to extend the list and choose your items. The document opens fine, but I couldnt get the drop down feature to work. For Excel, documents with lots of VBA codes, I need to go in and do some manual changes.
In general, for 99% of the tasks, LibreOffice is fine. But it is that 1% which makes me still open up my Windows VM for MS Office.
After their shenanigan with subscription only models, we still see MS Office being used a lot. It shows how strong MS grips on the Office area is.
You are correct that 365 is used for most people. I used to use it too…For me, I prefer to be able to access stuff whenever I want. I live in an area with very shitty internet (both Wifi and 4G). Once, a client and I had to wait 5 minutes because Office Online takes too long to load up a spreadsheet. Offline for me is just a peace of mind.
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Funny how corporations think taking away consumers freedom and privacy is a good idea.
Have fun losing customers.
phubarr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.”
-Benito Mussolini
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Its a good idea for their shareholders, who don’t think beyond the next quater. Pretty sure most of them don’t have object permanence.
GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tried Pop PS recently. Night and day difference.
LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Chiming in as well with a Linux distro: peppermint , debian based. If you want the horrors to persist but kind of limited check out windows ameliorated
randombullet@programming.dev 1 year ago
You can still skip it with MicroWin and also Rufus. I’ve tested it just recently.
tauren@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Did you try that with the latest beta build?
randombullet@programming.dev 1 year ago
No with the latest ISO from windows 24H2 I believe
r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s not a big deal. They’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:
@echo off reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f shutdown /r /t 0
You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Sure, but when are they going to remove that registry option?
tauren@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Their intention is clear. I wonder for how long this workaround is going to stay.
tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
You’re doing the lord’s work
dryfter@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Ok, so this solidifies my desire to never buy a Windows PC/laptop and why my switch to Mac was a good choice a few years ago. However Mac gaming is nowhere near where it should be right now and I was thinking about getting a cheap Windows laptop for games that aren’t available on Mac.
I remember a push a few years ago to get some linux distros pre-installed on some OEM hardware but I didn’t hear much of anything past the hype. Anyone have any good OEM brands that have linux installed instead of Windows and are relatively affordable?
tauren@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It’s funny that with how enclosed the Apple ecosystem is, even they don’t force you to create an Apple account to use macOS.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
rekabis@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Looks like I’ll finally be migrating my final workstation off of Windows 11.
I mean, I still have a while. The Dell T7910 still meets all of the Windows 11 Workstation 24H2 requirements, so Rufus only needs to modify that one part of the installer. And once I have Windows installed, I can do upgrades over Windows Update.
But once the machine gets too old for that…
At least OpenSUSE meets most of my needs.
superkret@feddit.org 1 year ago
How does this work nowadays when you buy a PC from a store?
Does it come with Windows already installed?
And if so, with what account?potoo22@lemmy.world 1 year ago
carrion0409@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m much more of a cachyos person in terms of gaming
Cossty@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Hi, I liked XY development tool having a proper GUI on Windows where can I find a non CLI…”
“LEARN TO USE NEOVIM!”
“LEARN TO USE GDB!”
“DO EVERYTHING FROM THE COMMAND LINE!”
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
not
LennyLinux!
matmarspace@programming.dev 1 year ago
Meh… Yet another thing that everyone will just accept as a new norm. :c
Floopquist@lemmy.org 1 year ago
Man, Microsoft advertising for Linux Mint YET AGAIN?! They are so gracious.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Why is everyone reccommending linux mint all of a sudden? What happened to ubuntu and fedora?
Zink@programming.dev 1 year ago
Mint is ubuntu with the icky stuff removed and given an extra layer of polish. Still loving it here.
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 1 year ago
Corporate distros and all
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
mint user here, I want my distro devs to work faster on fixing keyboard layouts on wayland.
PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 1 year ago
Ubuntu added telemetry and forced snaps
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Uh
Who’s ready to talk Linux
ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unfortunately the “horror” that is windows persists also as much as the horror in Linux. Which is a bunch of fanbois crowing about their distro without any explanation at all. But why do they do this? Because that’s how they got into it, and that’s how the people that got them into it got into it.
Which fucking distro should I use?
- Well, really it’s just preference.Then I choose arch.
- Uh, wrong try again lol.Fair enough, Which fucking distro should I use?
- Well, really it’s whatever works for you.Okay, I didn’t like the feel of that one.
- Well, you were using the wrong desktop environment.😐😑😤😠… …Which fucking desktop environment should I use?
- Well, really it’s just preference.🤬. 🤬🤬, 🤬. 🤬.
- Look clearly you don’t know what you’re doing just use Ubuntu, or Kubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or Fubuntu, or Poobuntu, or Schmubuntu. And with cinnamon obvi.Well how do I know? The site for each one uses the exact same bloviated claims. They’re all feature rich, and lightweight, and extended support, etc. Do I have to install them all to find out?
- Yes but that’s impossible. So just use mine, it works.Until it doesn’t. Then you need to hit up Linux self help forums, to get help from Linux bros, who are the most detestable group of unhelpful, impatient, and pretentious neckbeards imaginable. “Did you try searching first?” “Just use our discord!” “Just use [my fucking distro!]”
😖🤯👺
FML
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 year ago
I am! Looking for a distro that I can use AGI32 on. It already crashes consistently on Windows for large projects and I reckon it’ll do worse on wine.
I also use substance painter a lot but I reckon moving into a FOSS alternative will be a good move for that. Wean myself off Adobe dependency. Unless it works in wine but I’ve been told anything Adobe or Autodesk can’t run in wine.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Oh wow I looked up AGi32 and that thing seems like a mess. I feel sorry for you.
I get that it might be hard to migrate some really nastily written software, but… In the year of our lord 2025, it should not be acceptable for any sort of simulation software that requires an expensive paid license, to be 32-bit only.
Jezza@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sadly, steam VR and fusion360 are still tying me to windows. :(
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
No they don’t. Steam VR is native on Linux, and most of fusion 360 can run in wine. Good news for you!
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Steam VR runs on Linux natively, doesn’t it? I switched to Linux a few weeks ago but haven’t tried VR gaming on it yet.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
I’m liking Linux Mint and Kubuntu personally.
Especially Kubuntu for my main desktop PC, Linux Mint for my little clunker PC I use to run my 3D printers.
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Same, I just loaded kubuntu on another new system
j4yt33@feddit.org 1 year ago
I’m so glad I finally ditched that shit for good
Geodad@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I just deleted my old Mocrosoft account. Forgot I had it until recently.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
did you export your skype data?
Geodad@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I haven’t ised Skype since Microsoft bought them.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I really hope the whole shift away from American products will convince more software and game developers to provide native support for Linux. I am approaching the fence.
richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 year ago
They give me more and more reasons to stay on W10 until I give up games and move to Linux permanently.
I’ll miss my TCMD scripting, though. But besides that and gaming, most of what I do nowadays is cross-platform.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
TCMD scripting? what kind?
I have just recently rediscovered DoubleCommander. it’s different at places, but some of them makes it better. maybe it’s compatible with your scripts
original_reader@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Same here.
Game performance on Linux isn’t always the best. So I’ll keep a Win10 around.
Are Linux ports of games so hard to do? Genuine question. I am not a games dev.
brandocorp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Are Linux ports of games so hard to do? Genuine question. I am not a games dev.
My personal opinion is that Windows is an easier target because all Windows machines are consistent in their underlying interface with the user’s hardware. Same idea with MacOS. You know what display manager and graphics library to target, and what packaging format to target.
Then, there’s Linux, which can be one of any number of distributions with varying software stacks, packaging formats, etc. It’s not that Linux gaming is radically difficult to support, it’s just much less standardized. This makes it a lot more work for a much smaller demographic. The Vulkan graphics API has made some of the software issues much less of a problem, but you still have to contend with things like different display managers and stuff like packaging differences between distributions.
mat@linux.community 1 year ago
What games keep you on Windows? Besides a few anticheat-enabled ones which choose not to support it, basically everything works fine. I game (and work in gamedev!) 100% on Linux.
iLStrix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Over like half of the games I play with friends just do not work Linux because of anti-cheat. I hate it. I also can’t use it for work or studies since I need access to a good CAD that just works. These 2 things and a proper Adrenaline software from AMD is all I need to fully switch to Linux. I do have a dual-boot Windows/Linux PC at home, but honestly, I can barely use Linux most of the time.
GluWu@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My vr driving Sim rig just works in windows, the most I’ve ever had to do is map my shifter in game. Steamvr, hardware drivers, the actual games, it all just works without doing anything. Plug and play. I’m sure I can get it all working in Linux, eventually. I was(trying to) gaming on Ubuntu 10.04 with wine. I was first batch steamdeck and the amount of progress with gaming I’ve seen thanks to valve and proton means I’ll be coming back. But I’m just waiting for steamOS to be open release. But I am a KDE head so honestly I’ll end up whatever distro that does proton and KDE by the end of this year.
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Every time I hear about Microsoft it makes me wanna take a shit
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Pavlov Reaction?
mhague@lemmy.world 1 year ago
“Sucking off Bill Gates is bad, but Linux doesn’t support video games”
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Bill Gates doesn’t run Microsoft anymore. He’s not the CEO and largely not responsible for the change in their business model.
Also, I game on Linux more than I do on windows (though I do have a partition in my drive to run windows for games I couldn’t get working on steam OS/ Bazzite. It’s literally 4 games out of over 100.
mhague@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m making fun of the juxtaposition of people that express frustration/animosity for Windows with the need to stay on Windows in order to consume cutting edge video games.
It gets to be comical. Something about the “height” difference. Like you have the giant “They’re taking away my ownership of my data and my very computer!” standing next to little old “But I like my raytracing.”
“My data is being exposed in the name of corporate AI!” next to “But I can’t play games with anticheat with my friends.” It’s funny. I’m going to laugh.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have heard about identity provider software on Linux for self hosting.
Is that a possibility for family members’ win11 accounts too, when they run into that problem in the future? Or is a M$ account the only way then?
fin@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Let’s install Windows 10 for protest
waigl@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why the fuck is a Microsoft account so important to Windows that running it without one is considered a “loophole”?
conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 1 year ago
This forced account shit is infuriating. I’d see students with computers that cannot get to government-provided education sites because they are forced to sign up with a Microsoft account to use their PC, which forced them to setup a child account because of their age and therefore be under a parent account, which means the child account can only use Edge and can only go to whitelisted websites, which blocks some government education sites unless the parent account allows it through which they can’t until the student goes home.
grid11@lemy.nl 1 year ago
fork_hero@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Ah sweet vindication for getting my gaming PC and daily driver laptop on Linux
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
Steam OS 3.8 … Any moment now 😁