I’ve used the unpatchable Win11 account loophole, that exploits a functionality of your pc, where you wipe your boot drive, and install NixOS on it
Windows 11 is closing a loophole that let you skip making a Microsoft account
Submitted 1 month ago by Irelephant@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/news/638967/microsoft-windows-11-account-internet-bypass-blocked
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waigl@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why the fuck is a Microsoft account so important to Windows that running it without one is considered a “loophole”?
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
My guess is that’s it’s easier to neatly package your data up for when they go to sell it.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Because we need your data silly 😊
kevincox@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They want to make money off of services, every service they offer requires a Microsoft account to purchase and use. Everyone that they force to make an account during setup is one step closer to paying for a Microsoft service.
There are obviously tradeoffs (less sales of these versions of windows and some users pushed away from Windows altogether among others), but the motivation is clear.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 1 month ago
because microsoft is shifting focus from selling you a product, to selling you as a product
And they need a unique account to track every single click and thing you do on your PC, and the web, and everywhere else to facilitate doing that with greater control and ease.
Its literally what, and for the same reason, google has done for the past decade+
r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Microsoft will sell it as a safety thing - your essential stuff is backed up to your Microsoft account, so in the event that your computer is compromised or damaged, you can wipe and start over with your important stuff restored from your Microsoft account.
Which is not a bad idea in itself, but the rest of the data harvesting and telemetry makes it yuck. I use pihole to block access to Microsoft telemetry servers.
Cossty@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
not
LennyLinux!
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“Hi, I liked XY development tool having a proper GUI on Windows where can I find a non CLI…”
“LEARN TO USE NEOVIM!”
“LEARN TO USE GDB!”
“DO EVERYTHING FROM THE COMMAND LINE!”
seven_phone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Describing the ability to make a local account as a loophole is letting a little too much real intention slip out.
jasoman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
This is only for the Home version of win 11.
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 1 month ago
But not for the home version of Wubuntu 11.
grid11@lemy.nl 1 month ago
walden@sub.wetshaving.social 1 month ago
I didn’t know Gentoo was named after a penguin.
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Now I want a Chinstrap and a Southern Rockhopper Linux.
r_deckard@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s not a big deal. They’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:
@echo off reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f shutdown /r /t 0
You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.
tauren@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Their intention is clear. I wonder for how long this workaround is going to stay.
tinfoilhat@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
You’re doing the lord’s work
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Sure, but when are they going to remove that registry option?
Reygle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Uh
Who’s ready to talk Linux
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’m liking Linux Mint and Kubuntu personally.
Especially Kubuntu for my main desktop PC, Linux Mint for my little clunker PC I use to run my 3D printers.
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Same, I just loaded kubuntu on another new system
Jezza@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Sadly, steam VR and fusion360 are still tying me to windows. :(
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
No they don’t. Steam VR is native on Linux, and most of fusion 360 can run in wine. Good news for you!
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Steam VR runs on Linux natively, doesn’t it? I switched to Linux a few weeks ago but haven’t tried VR gaming on it yet.
ZMonster@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Unfortunately the “horror” that is windows persists also as much as the horror in Linux. Which is a bunch of fanbois crowing about their distro without any explanation at all. But why do they do this? Because that’s how they got into it, and that’s how the people that got them into it got into it.
Which fucking distro should I use?
- Well, really it’s just preference.Then I choose arch.
- Uh, wrong try again lol.Fair enough, Which fucking distro should I use?
- Well, really it’s whatever works for you.Okay, I didn’t like the feel of that one.
- Well, you were using the wrong desktop environment.😐😑😤😠… …Which fucking desktop environment should I use?
- Well, really it’s just preference.🤬. 🤬🤬, 🤬. 🤬.
- Look clearly you don’t know what you’re doing just use Ubuntu, or Kubuntu, or Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or Fubuntu, or Poobuntu, or Schmubuntu. And with cinnamon obvi.Well how do I know? The site for each one uses the exact same bloviated claims. They’re all feature rich, and lightweight, and extended support, etc. Do I have to install them all to find out?
- Yes but that’s impossible. So just use mine, it works.Until it doesn’t. Then you need to hit up Linux self help forums, to get help from Linux bros, who are the most detestable group of unhelpful, impatient, and pretentious neckbeards imaginable. “Did you try searching first?” “Just use our discord!” “Just use [my fucking distro!]”
😖🤯👺
FML
redwattlebird@lemmings.world 1 month ago
I am! Looking for a distro that I can use AGI32 on. It already crashes consistently on Windows for large projects and I reckon it’ll do worse on wine.
I also use substance painter a lot but I reckon moving into a FOSS alternative will be a good move for that. Wean myself off Adobe dependency. Unless it works in wine but I’ve been told anything Adobe or Autodesk can’t run in wine.
boonhet@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Oh wow I looked up AGi32 and that thing seems like a mess. I feel sorry for you.
I get that it might be hard to migrate some really nastily written software, but… In the year of our lord 2025, it should not be acceptable for any sort of simulation software that requires an expensive paid license, to be 32-bit only.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I really hope the whole shift away from American products will convince more software and game developers to provide native support for Linux. I am approaching the fence.
Floopquist@lemmy.org 1 month ago
Man, Microsoft advertising for Linux Mint YET AGAIN?! They are so gracious.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Why is everyone reccommending linux mint all of a sudden? What happened to ubuntu and fedora?
PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 1 month ago
Ubuntu added telemetry and forced snaps
Zink@programming.dev 1 month ago
Mint is ubuntu with the icky stuff removed and given an extra layer of polish. Still loving it here.
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Corporate distros and all
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
mint user here, I want my distro devs to work faster on fixing keyboard layouts on wayland.
conorab@lemmy.conorab.com 1 month ago
This forced account shit is infuriating. I’d see students with computers that cannot get to government-provided education sites because they are forced to sign up with a Microsoft account to use their PC, which forced them to setup a child account because of their age and therefore be under a parent account, which means the child account can only use Edge and can only go to whitelisted websites, which blocks some government education sites unless the parent account allows it through which they can’t until the student goes home.
lud@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Aren’t the students provided computers?
Here students usually get provided computers and then MS accounts are no problem since they just have to logon with their domain account.
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
lol there’s already a fix: run
start ms-cxh:localonlyfrom a CMD line in the installerj4yt33@feddit.org 1 month ago
I’m so glad I finally ditched that shit for good
jadelord@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Windows 11 is enshittfying a feature that let you skip making a Microsoft account
There, FTFY.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Will people just stop using windows already. I get for work but if you just waiting on that one game then fuck off it’s not worth it. I gave up some of my favorite games because it wasn’t worth using Windows
Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Proton is amazing though. I got Lego LotR working on my steam deck by installing some DirectX 9 dependency to fix a graphical glitch with the game. Runs like a dream.
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 1 month ago
For people with “that one game” there is a middle ground. Mine is Destiny 2 and they use a version of easy anticheat that refuses to run on Linux. My solution was to buy a $150 used Dell on eBay, a $180 GPU to be able to output to my 4 high-res displays, and install Debian + moonlight on it. I moved my gaming PC downstairs and a combination of wake-on-lan + sunshine means that I can game at functionally native performance, streaming from the basement. In my setup, windows only exists to play games on.
The added bonus here is now I can also stream games to my phone, or other ~thin clients~ in the house, saving me upgrade costs if I want to play something in the living room or upstairs. All you need is the bare minimum for native-framerate, native-res decoding, which you can find in just about anything made in the last 5-10 years.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
I loved destiny 2 but I gave it up. Fuck Bungie because someone got it to work and they banned them
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
[deleted]Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I tell people to make a live usb to test it first.
IceFoxX@lemm.ee 1 month ago
Can recommend ventoy. Then simply put the iso’s from the main distributions with different DE’s on the stick
arkanoid@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m a long time Linux user going back to the linux 1 kernel days. The only reason I still use Windows on my home PC is for gaming. I know Linux has come a long way thanks to many contributors like Valve, but how stable are the AMD video drivers and how well does it work for playing AAA PC games? The last time I built a new PC (2023) I tried running Linux w/ Windows in a KVM virtual machine and direct GPU passthrough, but that was such a nightmare to get set up and working, I just wiped it and installed Windows 11. I game on it and run Hyper-V VMs for Linux, which feels like a sin.
HereIAm@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I have a very extensive steam, gog, and battle.net library with all kinda of games from wolfenstein 3D to Baulders Gate 3. The only game I haven’t been able to run is Ground Control 2, but that doesn’t work on windows 10 (possible a USB device issue). Unless you play a game with an anti cheat that explicitly deny Linux (the only one I know off the top of my head that does that is Fortnite) you are most likely good to go. I’m quite a performance/fps snobb, and I haven’t found any game that runs worse on Linux either.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What about Manjaro?
Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
What about EndeavourOS?
What about Arch?
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Does the dualboot of Mint cause any issues for Windows? I only tested it very briefly on somebody elses machines where I needed to wipe windows and install Linux
Freewheel@lemmynsfw.com 1 month ago
Just one more reason not to use Windows, As if forcing data scrapers down our throat in the guise of AI wasn’t enough.
Geodad@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I just deleted my old Mocrosoft account. Forgot I had it until recently.
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 1 month ago
LibreOffice better step up their games and make their office suites better. Outside of very niche and specialized applications like CAD or video editor, the average Joe will just need a good office suite to do stuff.
randombullet@programming.dev 1 month ago
You can still skip it with MicroWin and also Rufus. I’ve tested it just recently.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
The company is cracking down on the ability to install Windows 11 on older PCs that don’t support TPM 2.0
But still runs fine in a VM (where it belongs to) on Linux on a system without TPM, right?
Puzzlehead@reddthat.com 1 month ago
We no longer own our products. We just pay to use it until they decide you can no longer use their service. What happens if they mysteriously shut down your account without warning?
That is what happened to a guy and he had to get court involved and then he found out his account was flagged for CP by their algorithm because he had a video of his 19 year old ex. False bans do happen. I couldn’t find that story again sadly to share.
Also, make sure you always have back up turned off or have one drive not installed on your phone. If you’re a parent, be careful what photos you take of your children because if those get backed up to cloud, their AI will kill your account because it can’t tell between CP and normal family photos.
I actually want to own our products than make accounts to use.
richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one 1 month ago
They give me more and more reasons to stay on W10 until I give up games and move to Linux permanently.
I’ll miss my TCMD scripting, though. But besides that and gaming, most of what I do nowadays is cross-platform.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Even MORE reason not to upgrade!
Casteyes@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Funny how corporations think taking away consumers freedom and privacy is a good idea.
Have fun losing customers.
potoo22@lemmy.world 1 month ago
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
Is it possible to skip account creation by installing while not connected to the internet?
fin@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Let’s install Windows 10 for protest
WhatSay@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Steam OS 3.8 … Any moment now 😁
SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Every time I hear about Microsoft it makes me wanna take a shit
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Are they trying to kill windows on purpose?
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 1 month ago
The sad thing is they know the large majority of users will comply. Most people put familiarity and convenience above their own privacy and general well-being.
magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Once steamos drops support and starts coming pre-loaded on laptops and pre-built desktops it’s over for their consumer division.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 1 month ago
The fact that Facebook still exists is proof of this.
Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 1 month ago
Also, I will not be surprised if they audaciously disable Win 10 Home edition for security purposes once end of life is reached.
systemglitch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Games. Most of the games I play don’t play well with Linux.
dota__2@lemmy.world 1 month ago
companies do things like this when they feel they have the power in the business/customer relationship and there’s no regulations to stop them.
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I wouldn’t say that, more just abusing a monopoly.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
I don’t know what is going on at Microsoft. I’m starting to think that they are trying to pivot to a completely different business model. In addition to this Windows 11 crap and XBox seemingly being given up on, they appear to be losing their embedded market as well. In the past, if you saw any screen in an industrial setting, there’s a good chance that there was the embedded Windows version behind that screen. Lately, all the new products are moving over to Linux.
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They are, and have said they are.
Subscriptions are the wave of the future.
sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
What advantage embedded windows gave to a manufacturer for it to be worth paying license fee for? I kinda feel this part is difficult for Microsoft to compete at
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They have done that for years, and every time there is an army of geeks and gamers who look for registry hacks or PowerShell scripts to install Windows anyway. If even those geeks do not want to spend 5 minutes looking for doc on how to install Ubuntu (which is a billion times easier to use than Windows), you can be sure Windows will never die.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Yeah, they probably want to kill it and switch people over to a cloud service with a monthly subscription.