Submitted 1 year ago by IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
I’m wondering if I should just delete lemmy to stay under the radar. 🤔 (I’m a US Citizen currently residing in the US, and moving out of the country is not really an option)
I feel so conflicted on this. On one hand, this is kinda like giving in to authoritarianism, but on the other hand, dissenting is kinda dangerous. 😓
Right now I think its basically zero chance, BUT we are absolutely hurtling face-first into that exact reality.
It’s our extremely unfortunate job right now to fight these fascist Cunts and do our best to prevent this reality from coming to be. I get that that is downright terrifying, but if we give in to that fear and bury our heads in the sand, doesn’t kinda mean they win?
no. well, not accurately.
which doesn’t mean you’re safe. it means compliance will not protect you-you could do everything right, and get nabbed anyway. shit’s gonna get messy…
the more imaginable scenario is that they always go for the edgiest fuckers, at a certain pace. that’s within their bounds to easily identify without wasting resources they need to fight other state level actors on it, and as long as you’re just a little less than the edgiest fuckers currently posting (oops) you’re probably fine. it will just be a slow ratcheting hand around your neck, that strangles you by millimeters, but you can just think of it as a really really high stakes version of reddit, if you need a familiar frame of reference.
don’t worry though; they’ll also be messy about this, and get a TON of the wrong people.
It’s completely unrealistic in the short term, more so in the long term. This would require arresting millions of people - there simply isn’t enough jail space. They would have to execute people on sight, and that’s also not realistic because low level soldiers would refuse (there’s a reason the nazis needed to build a system instead of just executing jews on sight). Obviously if this were attempted it would result in extremely violent resistence which would destroy any economic, political, or other incentives for such an action.
Instead we can see what happened in Russia for a more realistic example - there was a slow elimination of dissent. Even today there are some Russians who vocally oppose Putin and don’t get arrested so long as they stay small enough. And that’s in a place where the society never had a culture of freedom to begin with, so here it will probably be much harder and obviously MAGA is much dumber than the Russians too. But regardless that’s why it’s very important to be vocal now and oppose any silencing of dissent, like the removal of pro-Palestine activists here on green cards. It may not affect you now, but if they keep at it for a decade or two it’ll get to you eventually.
Give it 4 years when we have martial law and elections are suspended because we’re in “wartime” or some kinda shit and the opposite democratic leader is arrested
“We have always been at war with Eastasia Democrats.”
very unlikely.
If they do it’ll end up being like less than 5% to make an example out of them.
if that does happen start using and supporting services like i2p and monero.
and use them to organize activities that involves torches and pitchforks.
that’s one of the things you can do via those, though you don’t really need darknet software to organize them, i suppose it wouldn’t be bad for insurance.
Same reason the people on 9/11 stayed in their seats - they thought they’d be fine if they waited it out.
to be fair, up until that point, hijacking usually just meant a detour. there was good reason for them to think that.
Extremely unlikely and possibly physically impossible
Many people commenting of the difficulties in prosecuting people for anti Trump settlements. More likely they will “release” this information for the wider public(maga linch mob)
I hope my fellow Philadelphians who voted Harris with 50+% margin will protect me from the mobs 😖
AI is a big help here. Including at current tech level. But why bother the expense or judicially-complaining process of arresting them, if you can arrange their next Amazon electronics order to explode?
The worst they can do is kill you. Your gonna die eventually anyway, might as well do it for a good cause.
Oh, torture is worse.
Death is a relief in comparison.
Take as many out before they do
This is why I use a vpn. But he’d have to prosecute half the people or scare half the people. I hope we’ll fight back if that ever happens
All? Unlikely. But some? A lot harder to say. You’re asking for an opinion-based prediction at this point. I think they’ll probably eventually try to get the most outspoken critics, but I also think that’s a good time to not go silent. You get organized.
I think it’s not feasible to search for anti -trump content and then track down the person, but is much more likely that once they have you they will check your phone to see if you are a dissenter. So any interaction with federal or local authorities will be risky from now on. I just saw a headline of a French scientist being denied entry after immigration searched her phone and found anti Trump messages. If anyone has advice on how to quickly wipe or lockdown a phone, PC, etc. please share. OpSec
GrqpheneOS has a second pin on your lock screen which, when keyed in, immediately makes the storage contents permanently inaccessible, deletes all Esims, and powers the device off. Graphene will remain installed.
There are also “panic button” apps out there that do similar stuff.
Then there’s the good ole, put it in the microwave, or taking a nail-gun to it
Not sure if wiping it right before the gestapo find you is a good idea tho. They see a wiped phone and would just assume the worst about the contents.
Thank you. Instant lock and wipe before handing it over to your friendly neighborhood gestapo holding you gun point is just what we need.
Listen at some point its time to realize you dont give a fuck about their threats, accept death as a possibility, and keep to your principles.
Like that man who stood in front of the tank during Tianamen Square protests of 1989.
Im pretty sure were headed into such an event locally.
Like that man who stood in front of the tank during Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.
The guy didn’t die immediately. If you watch the full video, he was taken away by plainclothe police. Probabaly got disappeared and tortured. 😖
Torture is the most scary part of it.
Well, I think that it would be if not impossible, then extremely difficult to do that, as the amount of people they’d have to catch would be gigantic. But I think it’s best to be prepared for a lot of social media bans and restrictions. (Think China or Saudi Arabia) And if you happen to partake in protests, do NOT confess to it online. This is especially important if you’re doing anything illegal, but looking at what the situation is over there, I’d say that it applies to peaceful protesting as well. Take care.
Extremely unlikely. Not for another 20 years or so, worst case scenario, and by then they probably won’t care about now.
First off, there’s way too many people who criticize the government to arrest everyone, secondly it’s completely unnecessary. Complaining about the government doesn’t really do anything other than allowing people to vent their frustrations and feel more content. It’s the same way Trump obviously isn’t going to “end elections forever” like people say, virtually every country in the world has elections, regardless of how actually democratic they are, because they’re a nice little ritual that lets you feel free and in control. It would be like saying that Trump is going to knock down the Statue of Liberty - he doesn’t have to.
Now, there are reasons to establish more secure lines of communication, like if you’re involved in actual organizing or if you’re either helping people do illegal things or planning to help people do things that could potentially become illegal - for example, shipping Plan B or trans hormones to people in red states. Laws in some red states about “pushing transgenderism on minors” could theoretically be interpreted so broadly that if you post information or supportive messages on a public forum and a minor in a red state happens to see it, they could try to come after you for it - but that would probably be found unconstitutional.
Using secure lines of communication for routine, everyday stuff helps keep those lines secure by generating more chaff they’d have to sort through, as well as familiarizing yourself with it and getting more people on board. However, you shouldn’t scatter to the wind preemptively and self-censor, beyond just not fed-posting.
It’s more about setting up a system that rewards your neighbour for snitching on you. If that system is practical online, only time will tell. It worked well irl for other fascists.
Please watch this video about dictatorships and what to look out for.
Less likely if we are gun owners
A persecution fetish is a hard drug for gun owners, among other idiots.
Ok dude when they come to put me in the camps I’m killing as many fascists as possible before I die and am not planning on going to the camps
Only if people collectiely excercise that right by forming a militia, otherwise they’ll just raid your houses individually one by one and take your guns.
Ironically, its less likely for people who aren’t right-wing to have guns. Blue states, and especially Blue cities make it so difficult for people to get a gun due to all the permits you have to obtain from the police department, who would just find bs reasons to deny your permit because you know, pigs be pigs.
Lots of states allow private sales with no background checks required. People should see if they live in/near one.
If so hop on mewe, or some other social site, grab some cash and get you one! Gun shows are awesome for this too.
Wasn’t aware that US citizens knew of the existence of other counties, maybe excepting that they are all in Europe; Africa being another country.
Jokes aside. It’s not much better here in the UK.
I’m not going to travel to the US just in case they triangulate my ID. Haven’t said anything terribly bad about USA but still, why risk it.
Zero percent chance of that happening. C’moon now…
Why arrest when it is enough to disable credit cards?
I don’t see them coming for all of us. It’s just not practical to arrest everyone who complains.
It all comes down to other characteristics:
are you someone influential or high profile they can make an example of, to promote fear?
I’m just a nobody. No wikipedia pages or anything like that.
do you have any connection to another country, no matter how tenuous, where they can use this as an excuse to deport?
I was born in PRC. The US government could frame me as a “CCP Spy”, but like dude, I’m the most anti-CCP ethnic Chinese person in the US. I’m honesely afraid to getting deported then I’ll have to explain to the CCP about all those Anti-CCP stuff I said. (I’m end up in prison).
Like it doesn’t even make sense for me to be a “CCP Spy”, they literally tried arrest my mother and tried to terminate me (I was the second child that my mother had during the One Child Policy). Why would I ever help a party that almost prevented my existence?
are you part of another demographic bias they want to persecute, such as lgbt, where they can use this as an excuse to legally persecute?
I’m not really LGBT, but I really have no desire to seek a relationship so I think I’m just asexual/aromantic which the Magats would probably consider a “sexual deviant” or whatever bs deogratory label they wanna make, but like I could lie and say I’m straight.
I’m Chinese American, so, judging by the “China virus” racist rhetoric, orange cheeto doesn’t like people like me. 👀
Yep. You too might be a criminal, gangster, drug dealing, illegal immigrant that should be deported. If China won’t take you back, we can dump you somewhere else.
Every single person who disagrees with the administration on the internet? Incredibly unlikely. That’d be literally 10s of millions of people, if not over 100 million. The US prison system currently has a capacity of ~2 million. It’s estimated that globally there are ~11.5 million people in prisons. So you’re talking about locking up several times more people than are currently locked up. It’s just not possible.
The scale of what you’re suggesting is just unimaginable. How much manpower would be needed to lock up tens of millions of people? Nearly the entire non-incarcerated population of the US would need to be employed in building and staffing prisons and doing the police work to track down and arrest people.
And what would that do to the US (and global) economy to remove tens of millions of people from the workforce and force the rest of the population into servicing those prisons?
Even in the strictest countries with the most draconian censorship, they don’t lock up people who are just disagreeing with the dictator/administration. They lock up people who make a name for themselves and get recognition/go viral. If you have an account that gets a HUGE following and you don’t just disagree, but attack and criticize, then you might end up with some problems.
To avoid this, just don’t let yourself get a big following with an account that’s super critical. If you notice you start to get a following, just delete that account and start a new one.
Camps are easy to build.
Small camps, yes. Camps with enough facilities to hold several times more than the current global population? No, not at all.
If they come for you, they come for me, and many many more. Don’t pay personal information, you shouldn’t do that anyways
Would be fun to see the US turn full dictatorship, but we wont see that. They have too much to lose to be openly hostile to citizens speaking their mind, specially online where it doesnt even matter.
If a big public figure starts saying uncomfortable truths and they have a big following, then maybe Trump will try and contain that somehow, but you and me online? We dont matter.
it’s pretty stupid and delusional to think you’re going to jail for posting things on social media. I’m countries where this actually happens (mine for example) you need to be stirring up some viral controversy which directly effects an interest of the government
People are getting turned away at the border for having tweets critical to Donald trump (terrorism for some reason). It’s only a matter of time before they start making lists of people inside the states as well.
absentrevision@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hi, this is really important and has a real solution: ANONYMITY!
for Lemmy this means registering an account over tor, with email made over Tor, and only ever use it over tor.
It requires learning how this stuff works but it is so worth it
If you’re on a PC I recommend using Whonix
I’m considering making a detailed guide for Lemmy resistors but this is a great resource to get you started
anonymousplanet.org/guide/