Got any of that juicy 8k content?
No? Because noone does and noone cares.
HDMI 2.2 will require new “Ultra96” cables, whenever we have 8K TVs and content
Submitted 2 weeks ago by neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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ladicius@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
joyjoy@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
There are 8K cameras, but the only reason to use them is to create stabilized 4K content.
paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are also important for VR content. You need a lot of pixels to fill someone’s Field of View.
thejml@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
There are a few broadcast 8k channels in Japan and South Korea. There’s some YouTube 8k videos and 16k is being worked on. 8k is pretty awesome, though I really just want 8k screens for large PC monitors. I currently use a 4k 43” and 8k would be even better at that distance. Both Samsung and Sony have 8k screens for sale right now and they’re not really that crazy expensive for cutting edge. (75” Samsung 8k QLED for $3k)
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
My next TV purchase will be based on which models have Display Port.
…And which don’t have smart features, but that’s a given.
ryan213@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
That’s going to be harder and harder to find.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The transformation into crochety old man is complete. This AI being shoehorned into everything can get off my damn lawn too.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I got a new Android TV for offline use. Most people say you get an OK experience if you don’t connect the TV into a network.
The biggest remaining annoyance is that it takes 45 seconds to cold-start. Almost as if it’s booting an OS desgined for a phone or something.
sxan@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Is DVI completely out of the picture? I hate the connector, but I’ve had a lot of issues with DP, mainly around Linux support and multi-monitor setups.
I was kinda hoping USB-C/4/Thunderbolt would step into this space and normalize chaining and small connectors, but all of those monitors are stupidly expensive.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The only problems I’ve had with DP are when I have to put it through an adapter to turn it into HDMI for a display that didn’t have DP input.
Video over USB-C just ends up being Display Port, doesn’t it? I guess it depends on the subtype of USB.
ramble81@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
DVI isn’t capable of the bandwidth needed for higher resolutions. Even dual link maxes at about 8 Gbps and 2560x1600 @ 60Hz. This new HDMI spec is 96 Gbps for reference.
Ironically though HDMI is pin compatible with DVI and you could output HDMI to a DVI monitor with just a simple HDMI to DVI cable, or vice versa. I know a lot of people who like DP bit in order to convert you need active circuitry and that can impact quality if you don’t have native DP on both ends.
Uli@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I also find USB to be limiting when it comes to range. I can go about 50 feet with a nice thick HDMI with copper wiring, but any further than 20 feet on USB necessitates fiber optics. Not an issue for everyone, but something I have been running into.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s just a commercial display. Most commercial displays don’t have an OS and require a separate device for showing video like an Nvidia Shield, PC, etc.
mac@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Mine would be as well, but tbh I don’t love the kodi UI. At least I didn’t a few years ago when I tried it.
Maybe Nvidia will drop a new shield with DP support, but not going to hold my breath on that
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
I haven’t even gotten on the 4k bandwagon yet. I fully expected to by now, but then again, my eyes aren’t getting any better and 1080p content still looks… fine.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have a 4k TV. I don’t think I’ve ever actually watched something on it in 4k because finding the content isn’t worth the effort.
ikidd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I have to filter out all the 4K feeds I get on Kodi because I can’t play them. I sure haven’t seen a shortage of them. Now whether they play at an actual 4K would be the question, but they’ve been there for years.
SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
1080p is fine, but I really like the colors of HDR. I am NOT a fan of the higher refresh rate for movies though.
barsoap@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Higher refresh rates for movies are meh at best, VRR OTOH is a godsend as 24Hz just won’t fit into 60Hz. Gaming, too, is much nicer even at pedestrian framerates when you have VRR, figures that delayed frames are quite a bit less noticeable than dropped frames.
Cratermaker@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
A few weeks ago I watched Ladyhawk on a 13" TV with a built in VHS player. I realized that my brain didn’t care about the quality as soon as I started paying attention to the content. I still like my 1080p but there’s definitely massively diminishing returns after that.
Toribor@corndog.social 2 weeks ago
1440p at 120Hz+ is superior to 4k 60Hz and is much more achievable for most hardware anyway. That’s the sweet spot in my opinion.
circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Yes, but 1080p content looks like dogshit on a 1440p display
tabular@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t want Digital Restrictions Management in my cables.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Until Elon can install it into your occipital cortex, this will have to do.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is there something that makes you think there is?
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I couldn’t care less about 8k since I can’t even see streaming 4k content without using a platform infested with DRM.
Reygle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just for the record, the HDMI consortium can place their mouths on my genitals and consume my waste
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The HDMI standard needs to declare cable bankruptcy and start over with a new design. We all have way too many HDMI cables supporting 23 years of standards.
Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.
sxan@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Also, the DRM baked into the specification is such bullshit.
That’s the one thing they have absolutely no interest in getting rid of. They’ll change everything about the spec, including the connector, but that part’s staying in.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s why I added it as an addendum. Even sourcing HDMI cables without HDCP is getting very very rare.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah but you’ll want full gold plating and nitrogen-infused insulation for the best picture.
Telorand@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
It’s liquid helium for me. I won’t settle for less.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“…whenever we have 8K TVs and content.”
The TVs exist, but there won’t be content for years and years. Companies barely stream usable 4K right now.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because the bitrate over streaming is garbage. Get physical media if you want good 4k.
Telorand@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
This is a genuine question but—what physical media? Blu-ray players are no longer being produced by name brands, and DVDs certainly aren’t capable of storing the data.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t make much sense anyway. More than 5k is only wasted computing power/bandwith.
kalleboo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Japan has had an 8K TV channel since 2018, they really thought that would take on a lot quicker haha
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I think there are less 8k TVs now than 4 years ago. Some lessons were learned
Jestzer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good thing the word Premium® is there to let me know it’s a quality product!
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No, you’re just paying a premium.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 weeks ago
At what point do we just declare that the screens they try and sell are pushing for higher resolution than real life?
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I believe 4K is already basically there. I have a 50" 4K (2160p) that I sit 9 feet away from and based on the Nvidia PPD calculator, that makes for 168ppd, and according to that page 150ppd is around the upper limit of human vision. Apple’s “retina” displays target around 50-60ppd (varies based on assumed viewing distance).
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
According to this calculator, my 65" 4k setup is around 100ppd.
I find that anything more than that (e.g. sitting further away, or replacing it with an 8k screen of same size) requires scaling up text and wasting a lot of pixels when rendering other things.
So yeah, I think 8k is a total waste if you’re not targeting a much higher fov, at which point a curved screen would probably be better.
ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 weeks ago
Maybe some applications like these could need a high density just for the size of it, but then again you’re not likely to be looking from a living room distance either. Or things like VR where you’re looking from very close up.
My biggest screen is a 55" 4K and I just don’t get why you would need much more unless it was a full on theater setup.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Them: 8K!
Me: Whatever.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
One day I might care about 4k, but it hasn’t happened yet. So I really can’t muster a shit to give about 8k.
bokherif@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Great! Now they can sell my grandma an HDMI cable in 50 installments!
dan@upvote.au 2 weeks ago
“Ultra96” sounds like it could have been a codename for the Nintendo 64.
otp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Or the GameCube…or an add-on to the N64.
The N64’s codename was the Ultra 64 afterall!
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
To be clear it will “require” a new cable to push at that max (8k/120fps?)
It’s not like you need a new cable just because a new TV supports it.
ramble81@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
You kinda do though. It’s like the difference between Cat5 / Cat5e / Cat6. Physically they all have the same Pinots, but the tolerances vary greatly. Could you get 10Gbps on Cat5? Possibly, but only over short clean distances. You can do it more easily on Cat6, even though they all plug in together. The HDMI cables are the same way.
M33@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Meh. Wake me up when the HDMI consortium requires vibranium cables. Ending forever audio lag AND frame skip.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“premium”? That’s what they decided on? That’s sure to age well and not be confusing at all…
baatliwala@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I doubt the general public cares about or can even tell the difference from 4k to 8k. Not to mention the amount of bandwidth that will be required.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This exaxt comment could have been for 1080 to 4K. That said 4k has had a lot less fanfare to HD.
j4k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
HDMI is the proprietary monopoly scam. It is added to devices by the owning members if the scam. Display Port is the open source free equivalent standard that the educated consumer goes looking for.
vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Problem is, very few things output or input DP.
HDMI, for better or worse, seems to be ubiquitous.
Sorse@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
A lot of laptops nowadays output video over usb c, in most cases they use DisplayPort alt mode, which as the name implies is just DisplayPort.
That doesn’t solve the issue of every x in 1 dongle only having HDMI or TVs only having HDMI inputs
Screen_Shatter@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Thank you, I did find myself thinking theres a reason why I have the DP cables for my PC monitors which don’t seem to have an issue running high resolutions… But then I’m not running 8k on anything so I wasn’t really sure about that