If you say something wrong about something they care about and you can’t back it up, they’re going to be rude to you.
Is it me or is everyone in hexbear insane?
Submitted 2 months ago by EABOD25@lemm.ee to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The one dude I spoke that was decent and respectful asked for proof of the Uygher genocide, gave him proof, the proof wasn’t good enough. Gave him more proof told me it still wasn’t good enough. Figured it wasn’t worth it anymore because he’s denying everything I give him. Told him he has a movable goal post and peace be with him. Blocked the community and just found out today they banned me. There probably are people that willing to have a dialog, but the few are giving all a bad rep
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Do you have a link to that conversation? I’m interested in what your proof looked like.
TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Based on the link another user had to provide, you received a lengthy criticism of your logic and sources and then didn’t handle it well.
Now you are here calling them crazy.
oce@jlai.lu 2 months ago
Basic mental health config for a non tankist user of Lemmy is to block hexbear, lemmygrad and lemmy.ml instances first. Then, any user from there that you will see calling nazis anyone who don’t think like them.
I almost left Lemmy thinking it was a tankist shithole before understanding the pattern.
Then it gets back to the average former-Reddit tech activist, which is still pretty left.TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
is tankist a translation of the french word for tankie or something? i’ve never seen anyone use “tankist” before
istanbullu@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
My experience is that people in lemmy.world are intolerant bigots.
cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 2 months ago
Average Lemmy.ml comment
cheddar@programming.dev 2 months ago
Maybe you’re just intolerable.
lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 months ago
My experience with LW users is mixed: some great users, some really trashy users. It’s what you expect from a huge instance not geared towards any specific demographic.
As such I don’t think that it’s sensible to generalise LW users like this.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And yet your presence is being tolerated.
flashgnash@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I love that without fail every single person in this thread defending hexbears is from ml with the same pronoun tag format every single hexbears seems to have
Almost like they’re hexbear alts or something
Diva@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Before I get accused of being a hexbear alt, I only added them after I saw that they were in common use due to hexbear posters showing up in my /all. We did actually start mandating pronoun tags for people participating in /c/transgender -despite the fact that some of the admins are resistant at the instance lecel- because it seems to work well in the trans spaces on hexbear for fostering a respectful environment.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
That’s cool, bud. And I’m doing my best to not criticize the individual person, but there are a few people that make souring the reputation of all on HB
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Weird right? I love how they think everyone is as obsessed with fake internet points as them. Some of them seriously need to talk to people in real life
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
What? Why? Who i say who in their right mind says this in a post absolutely soaking in their own tears? I think the absolutely batshit audacity is what i find most entertaining about you.
Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I am not from ML nor do I have a Hexbear alt of any sort, but I defend Hexbear’s right to be different. They seem to be a younger group of anti-capitalists so I find their perspectives interesting.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I am still somewhat new to Lemmy, so maybe there is some history with Hexbear that I am ignorant of
Hexbear is a 4 year old community, it drastically predates the Reddit Exodus, and only started federating with other instances around 10 months ago. Those 3 years of self-sustainability created a unique culture that is at odds with the liberal instances on Lemmy, like Lemmy.world.
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
I would defend anyone’s right to be different as well. However, that’s not the case here - you said it yourself, you really are missing a huge history between Hexbear.net and… well, everyone else across the Fediverse (and highly ironically, as such they would ruthlessly make fun of you, for speaking without knowing - i.e. you are someone who would defend them, but not vice versa). They poke fun at liberals, conservatives, anyone from the West, etc., and the issue isn’t so much their right to exist or be different, but the need for the rest of the Fediverse to spread their message out in the same manner as all the other messages, which are governed by an entirely different set of policies and code of conduct.
I hope you will agree with me that the rights to do a school shooting, or the right to block someone else’s access to medical care… is really no “right” at all. That is to say that they can be however they like, but the moment that they federate with the rest of the world, it crosses over into our rights, whether we want to receive what they offer or not, and even more so to promote & share it to our own users.
But don’t take my word for it: visit e.g. ChapoTrapHouse or the_dunk_tank and see for yourself. Or here’s an example post, where they took a poll on which other instances to deferate from, then promptly ignored the results that said no and defederated from them anyway:-P lemm.ee for instance had 41 votes to keep it and only 4 for it to go, but despite the additional order of magnitude and some passionate responses defending the former (e.g. “But man we should at least stay federated with lemm.ee, that instance’s admin has been very reasonable and it hasn’t caused much trouble at all; nothing that banning any troublemakers can’t fix.”), they defederated from it anyway. And the reasons stated to keep it are also informative - basically so that they can proselytize to them, though notice the distinct lack of wanting to converse with them as equals. And that is just one instance, among the very few that will even consider federation with hexbear.net to begin with. Also, to balance that out, read lemm.ee’s policy on federation with hexbear.net - notice how 100% polar opposite it is, not just in terms of facts but of behaviors.
There is also programming.dev’s response, tldr version: “Hexbear defederated from us so to prevent one way conversations I have added them to our blocklist as well. If the hexbear admins decide to unblock us I can do the same”… followed in the very next post by “It is very likely we will be federating with Hexbear again…” - which despite the fact that that did not end up happening (as of September 8, 2024 I can see hexbear.net on their instances list, make sure to switch the tab at the top to “Blocked Instances”), I want to point out how extremely friendly other instance admins continue to try to be, towards them, though this behavior seems to have never been rewarded in return. And it’s not just these two instances - there are so very many, here’s another at sh.itjust.works, where they thought long & hard about it (mind you this is an EXTREMELY permissive server, chock-full of reasonable-minded people, which you’ll see as/if you read the other posts in that community), and somewhat shockingly seemed ready to do the defederation, but before they could, once again hexbear.net preemptively did it first, thus making the issue moot.
In short, they know exactly how they are - and many people routinely flee from it to spread elsewhere in an attempt to get away from the extremely heavy-handed authoritarian moderation/admin practices. When you tolerate the intolerant though…
graphic describing the paradox of tolerating intolerance
If you enjoy LGBTQIA+ content, it is everywhere, e.g. the variety of blahaj’s that exist - the most popular of which is lemmy.blahaj.zone, with the highest number of users (and to reveal my own bias, I’ve never seen anything written from their admin, Ada, that I have not thoroughly enjoyed reading - if I could follow accounts on the Fediverse, this is one of a mere handful of people across the entire world that I think I would do that for:-). Similarly with “different”/odd content - we love being different here on the Fediverse:-) - and again with left-leaning content (in fact people that are not left-leaning are quite rare).
But I advise to steer well clear of bigots. Except of course to learn about the situation - definitely check it out, and then you’ll know. I know it looks like shit-posting, especially with the rather poor choice of wording in OP’s title, but there truly is an actual history behind all of this. The shit-talking looks casual, but it’s not: hexbear has truly earned most of the ire that is directed its way. And they seem okay with that, some even seem proud of it? :-P
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
In my case my hexbear account is an alt of my lemm.ee account
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Jesus Harold Christ. This is just propaganda. Plain and simple
FireTower@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Last I checked there was an instance rule preventing the posting of pictures of cheese without a trigger warnin.
samus12345@lemmy.world 2 months ago
SassyRamen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The most well written character from any game yet. Change my mind.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Hexbear is firmly Vegan ideologically, you can still post meat or dairy behind CWs.
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
I’m pretty sure it’s food in general as a courtesy to persons who struggle with eating disorders.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s for meat and dairy, Hexbear allows non-vegan members and non-vegan posting, but requires CWs.
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Just wait until they start swarming in this thread, they will leave you with no doubts whatsoever. ;)
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This community is in world which defederated from hexbear and grad a while ago so we should be safe from most of em.
PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point
Yeah, you can always count on them to brigade.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yeah. They’ve been downvote bombing me since yesterday. And they were telling me I’m the one that needs to go back to reddit lol
Diva@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Hexbear, famous for having down votes turned on. But yeah, you’re totally surrounded by secret hexbears all down voting you
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
containment instance
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
What do you mean by that?
cheeseburger@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
On 4chan people refer to “containment” boards for topics that are racist, inflammatory, or regularly derail conversations (ex. pol, b, mlp). That way the people who want that aren’t always polluting boards where people just want to talk about (for example) food or technology.
So I was half joking that hexbear is like a containment board. It isn’t quite the same, but since other Lemmy instances can block hexbear all at once it has the same effect.
slazer2au@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, Everyone. the bots, the human user, me, and even you. You can’t escape it.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yeah but my insane is cheeky and fun. Their insane is cruel and tragic
PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans
lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 months ago
You and EABOD25@lemmy.world aren’t on hexbear, though, are you?
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I normally search search by “all” when scrolling and I’ll see one or two posts from there. I haven’t really figured out all the technicals, but I see posts from all instances
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Lol you got banned from hexbear and now are crying about it on lemmy.world?
14th_cylon@lemm.ee 2 months ago
What crime did that asshole commit? Was he against communist genocide or something?
Also, why are you not proudly using your hexbear account in this thread, are you ashamed?
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Here is a sample of the enriching experience they brought to the site: lemm.ee/post/41483398/14572285
and I’ll leave it to you to figure out why I’m not posting with my hexbear alt on lemmy.world
CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, banned for having mild opinions on US politics and then getting defensive when someone called them a genocide enabler. Sounds like hexbear did them a favor. If only the right-wing loonies were so quick to ban people who disagreed with them instead of setting up a big slide to draw them further in.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
You’re looking at the lemmygrad ban where they got banned for saying that the opinions about US politics held a person whos country is being exploited by the US don’t matter.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Lol. I didn’t get banned from hexbear. Nice try though. Now run along with your bullshit
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 months ago
You were banned from multiple communities on it. The modlog doesn’t lie.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
They linked the hexbear modlog
1 hour ago
Banned EABOD25@lemm.ee
from the community the_dunk_tank
reason: Go back to Reddit, debate pervert.
TypicalHog@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I blocked hex just days after finding out about lemmy and registering. Some super crazy shit going on there.
Diva@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
They just let the hogs shit on balls then they photograph them and crop then into little emoji, don’t ask me why I’m not an anthropologist
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
given my experience with the CTH community, yes.
Saint_La_Croix_Crosse@midwest.social 2 months ago
wait, like the drug dealer?
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
no clue i was only in there for like 5 minutes before being told to kill myself and getting banned lmao
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 months ago
I don’t think Hexbear is really the same thing these days
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
maybe not, but that was my experience with it lol
neidu2@feddit.nl 2 months ago
I will not define insanity or who is or isn’t, but hexbear users’ stances and opinions tend to be missing nuance as one often do when one is terminally online and mostly form opinions based on the reverberations of an echo chamber.
They do occasionally have a golden meme, though.
Azzu@lemm.ee 2 months ago
They’re not insane, they’re just victims of tribal thinking like the rest of us. Very narrow worldview reinforced by the others around them, bashing outsiders, thinking “they” are smarter than everyone else. Mostly, they see themselves as good and everyone else as bad, which isn’t very unique among humans either.
Asafum@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Honestly my only issue with them is literally anyone who is not them is “an evil pro-genocide lib” Doesn’t exactly feel great to see an entire community see you as the absolute evil and everything that is wrong with the world just because you may not agree that an economy run by committee is the best way, or that an authoritarian “vanguard” is the right way to a better society.
(lib, liberal is like the biggest insult they can throw at you as it’s essentially the definition of their opposition.)
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar indeed:-).
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
♥️
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
Genocide vs. harsh words are also similar in kind and differ “only” in degree… but that still makes them pretty different overall! Similarly, over-eating to become a little overweight, vs. being massively obese like 500+ lbs (226.8kg), is again a difference in degree though not in kind (perhaps? or arguably is there a threshold where…?). Another comparison could be Lemmy/Mbin(/Sublinks/Piefed/etc.) vs. Reddit: different in degree… but both are social networks so should we say not entirely in kind?
The average behavior of people experiencing hexbear from the outside - i.e. who did not choose it intentionally - is objectively much worse, compared to an instance such as lemm.ee. Again, in degree, even if not in kind. (you can literally measure the effect quantitatively, e.g. by counting the number of complaints lodged against it, such as this post; it may not be as hard a science as physics, but then again, other than physics, what is?)
Azzu@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I agree. But is a statement like “everyone in hexbear is insane” helpful in any way at all? The only thing it serves is to further any divide and cause more hostility.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I have to disagree with your last sentence. I do my best to treat people on the internet like I’m talking to them face-to-face. It’s the least that people deserve.
Azzu@lemm.ee 2 months ago
You can do these things while talking face-to-face with somebody.
Calling a whole bunch of different people with different opinions than you, that you don’t all know, “insane”, seems to me like you feel you are smarter/better than them.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Im going to link your conversation here, where people were giving you detailed responses and you just kept shrugging them off so others can judge for themselves:
raunz@mander.xyz 2 months ago
The mods sure are on the insanity spectrum.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 2 months ago
It’s common sense there that Israel must be destroyed and they use pronouns like “comerade/them”.
And most important: They silence everyone who does not agree.
They are sowjet fan boys and try to build such a hierarchical system online.
Just block them…
Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
It’s common sense there that Israel must be destroyed and they use pronouns like “comerade/them”.
OozingPositron@feddit.cl 2 months ago
Kek
Luci@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Just you.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 2 months ago
They’re leftists. Like actual leftists, some of whom subscribe to the idea that capitalism can only be overcome through violence.
There’s a lot of “well if it’s our authoritarian it’s ok”
My real beef with them is the same as my beef with .Ml and Lemmygrad, little baby mods and admins that hit you with the instance wide ban for disagreeing with their opinions
More egregious is getting banned for pointing out the admins suck
electric_nan@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
🙄
stepan@lemmy.cafe 2 months ago
The reason I moved to lemmy.cafe instance is because it’s defederated from those tankie instances. I can’t even see their comments anywhere.
OpenStars@discuss.online 2 months ago
Not all, but it’s definitely not for everyone’s tastes. Just block the instance and move on. Go to your user settings, blocks tab, scroll way down to instance, and put hexbear.net. You will still see posts from it and its users, but still that improves things immensely e.g. you won’t see communities on it anymore and you won’t receive notifications for when the people continue to respond to you weeks and weeks and weeks after some innocuous comment you made that they did not agree with hard enough and thus earned their undying ire.
I would rather in the future see such things be opt-in rather than opt-out… but then I don’t run an instance and this is what we have now.
Also most instances already defederate from lemnygrad.ml for the same reasons, but not yours so if you do it for hexbear.net then you should probably do it for lemmygrad.ml too while you are at it.
And then eventually, even if months later, you will find yourself doing this again for Lemmy.ml, for vastly reduced but again still similar reasons. That one will cost you some good communities, but is more than worth the cost imho to entirely transform your experience on the Fediverse, to have blocked the big three. Also some people add Midwest.social but I haven’t done that one yet. All of those call themselves “leftists” but more importantly somehow feel that their political beliefs entitle them to behave like jerks - not uniformly so but as you are seeing, definitely it’s a noticeable pattern.
The motto of the Fediverse: to stay sane, block early, and block often. To which I will add: you cannot control the entire world, only yourself, i.e. if it drives you crazy to see such, then curate your experiences.
FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
These pathetic foxes are pissed they’ve been neutralized by defederation. They’re mad that the contagion has been contained. That real lefties, even communists don’t take them seriously.
These guys aren’t fooling anyone. The online left doesn’t need their rotten discourse, and they don’t belong there.
It’s just 4chan cosplaying communism. Truly despicable.
PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yes
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is a great thread for finding new people to block
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Not just you lol. The lad from hexbear are funny aul fellows
fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 2 months ago
Not all of them, some are just idiots.
njm1314@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I wouldn’t know I blocked it immediately.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I think anyone who’s even remotely curious about hexbear should go make an account and just… Iunno, check it out? That’s what i did and it ended up being my home away from home.
Their viewpoints are gonna be absolute whiplash for most people unaccustomed to speaking about world topics from a non-us-centric perspective, or who have only learned about what communism actually is from our (definitely not biased) general education.
Calling those viewpoints “crazy” is just a shortcut, a base dismissal of thought unworthy of critical thinkers.
If you take me up on this, go lurk a bit! They can’t hurt you. If after awhile of lurking, you have a question (you will have questions) ask them from a position of curiosity that you’re interested in their perspective instead of one there to “educate the commies” and you’ll be just fine.
I recall i went to hexbear because sh.itjust.works was defedding and erryone was just so mad at them i had to see what the fuss was about. Im very glad i did
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You can have a non-US centric point of view without defending Russia or Chinese genocides…
vritrahan@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Difficult. The perception of Russia and China outside the western world is very different and very variable than what westerners think.
EABOD25@lemm.ee 2 months ago
If you’re saying I’m calling their viewpoints, I’m not. I didn’t get a view point besides I’m pig slop, a piece of shit, brainwashed by the empire (whatever the hell that means), stupid, a basement dweller, and today, I think they called me a pervert
Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 2 months ago
This is my exact same experience. I ask for someone to elaborate on their stance, get told (not accused, told) I’m trolling. Ask for explanation/definition of a concept, get called an idiot shitlib and told to read some theory. Ask for civility, get told I deserve abuse for “endorsing genocide”. (By the way, I absolutely oppose the genocide in Gaza. But I’m a genocide supporter I guess because I won’t flush my vote third party this November.)
Hexbear is a community that expects you to conform. Every time there is a post like this, someone comes out of the woodwork and says “They’re nice people if you talk like them and agree with them on everything.” It’s cool that you’re not getting abused, but abuse is coming from that space, whether or not it is happening to you.
It’s a shame because I would like to hear the nuances of their viewpoints, but I can never get them to tell me what they are. Always complaining that nobody tries to understand, but dogpiling on anyone that asks questions. Then they pull up your report history and tell you “It’s just a little dunking bro, stop being a snowflake” for not putting up with it.
Users of Hexbear, if you’re reading these words, do better. Nobody is going to sympathize with your cause if you antagonize outsiders that want to learn more.
mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 months ago
again youre misrepresenting. you got several well articulated lengthy explanations and dismissed them or didn’t reply.
the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
So this post is because you’re angry ya got dunked on? You can’t just post liberal political opinions (that would do well in liberal spaces) and expect them to fly in a commie space…
Wait, i recognize you! Ive argued with you myself! You definitely don’t approach hexbear with a perspective of learning something haha! You been banned a couple times and still ain’t learned shit about shit. Should i pm you with those threads with explanations of what and where you went wrong?
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Your mistake was posting in the dunk tank. That is literally a “vent” sub where they vent their frustrations against stupid US empire propaganda takes.
If you go there expecting reasonable treatment for your opinions, you misunderstood the assignment. That is a shitpost sub where only one side is right.
How do I know this? Because I went there once and got dunked on too! But that does not represent the entirety of hexbear. I think.