I just want a headset that doesn’t descend into hissing at me in mono over a crackly 1940s phoneline whenever I dare to use the microphone.
Bluetooth 6.0 adds centimeter-level accuracy for device tracking — upgraded version also improves device pairing
Submitted 2 months ago by neme@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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scratchee@feddit.uk 2 months ago
exanime@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Check what BT profile your OS is switching the headset to (and what your headset can actually support). I use HSP/HFP with mSBC codec and it keeps pretty OK sound while in “headset mode”
lnxtx@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Both of my Galaxy Buds sporadically losing signal when I have my phone in a pocket.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The phone has to go in the hat. It says so in the manual.
smokeymcpott@feddit.org 2 months ago
Jup, same here. But when I change it to the other pocket it’s all fine. Strange stuff. (The right front pocket works so much better than the left front pocket of the pants)
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I have some B&W Px2s and they’re fine when using the microphone, although the sound quality is the main selling point.
Any of the AirPods that go in your ear have exceptional microphone quality.
I find it hard to believe every pair of headphones you’ve ever tried has been trash, unless you’re just buying trash quality and expecting amazing hardware.
scratchee@feddit.uk 2 months ago
Sorry for linking to the alien, but see this discussion: reddit.com/…/bluetooth_headset_goes_to_low_audio_…
As I understand it, standard Bluetooth cannot support quality audio and microphone.
That said, lots of phones and headsets secretly support non standard profiles if you use the right hardware together, but at that point you can’t know if you’re going to get quality with your setup unless someone’s tested it thoroughly and half the time reviewers are either deaf or lying
5oap10116@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No phone aux jack conspiracy has re-entered the conversation
gashead76@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Anyone know what kind location accuracy Bluetooth 5 currently has?
limerod@reddthat.com 2 months ago
According to the below two articles. It’s 1-5 meters in optimal conditions. And some of it may require additional hardware for tracking.
ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 2 months ago
In my case it’s about a football field lol
gashead76@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Thanks for digging those up! I figured it was somewhere around that range. I’ve had it be fairly accurate within a couple feet, but I’ve also had Bluetooth proximity show much further.
venusaur@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I thought we were still in 4…
Korrok@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Why would you need centimeter-level accuracy?
realitista@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Very nice for home automation- have your music and lights follow you around the house for example. Check out Room Assistant
fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Sounds kind of like room-level accuracy
AA5B@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So you know which sofa cushion the EarPod is under
BlueEther@no.lastname.nz 2 months ago
Ask JD Vance?
potustheplant@feddit.nl 2 months ago
FindMy tags? Like the ones Pebblebee and Chipolo make.
anivia@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Or you could just get a Moto tag, which already supports FindMy and has centimeter accuracy thanks to UWB
ugjka@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I lost my watch in snow in forest once. Had to use one of those finder apps, centimeter level accuracy would have saved 2 hours
willougr@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is why I turn off Bluetooth before heading into the supermarket… <tips tin foil hat>
CatZoomies@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No tinfoil hat needed. Retail stores are equipped with Bluetooth that tracks and monitors customer behavior. This in turn can be sold for targeted advertising. Another scary thought is that the tracking is so precise, it measures the distance your phone is from a product, including height. How high is the phone from the ground? The data points can be extrapolated to influence product placement: what products and prices influenced a customer to bend down and look at/interact with the product? How long were they there? Did they buy it? Were they looking for coupons in my “retail store app”?
Tracking is so predatory. Makes me look at my smart phone with disgust as the years go by, and I periodically grapple with the decision if a smart phone is even right for me or if it’s time to stick to a computer and a truly dumb phone going forward.
Some public info about Bluetooth beacons: nytimes.com/…/bluetooth-wireless-tracking-privacy…
Want to find Bluetooth beacons? Simply install a Bluetooth scanner app from your phone and head to a store to see them.
Here’s how Shopify engages businesses on how to utilize Bluetooth beacons with their software package. Bought anything online? That site was most likely powered by Shopify: shopify.com/…/the-ultimate-guide-to-using-beacon-…
OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, lucky for you, it’s all camera based now.
LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I’d like something like a ring or wristwatch that unlocks my PC when I’m close enough to the keyboard, and locks it again when I go away. For that tracking would be pretty good.
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
What is making my excited is the potential to use this for indoor position tracking for placing persistent virtual displays.
zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Track the dog.
jose1324@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Car
Grass@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
audio latency when
rigatti@lemmy.world 2 months ago
When you read the article:
We also get latency improvements through Isochronous Adaptation Layer (ISOAL) Enhancement. This allows the Bluetooth device to cut larger data frames into smaller chunks while ensuring its timing information remains accurate. This would help reduce latency and potentially make Bluetooth audio devices a viable solution for wireless audio, especially in gaming.
That was unnecessarily snarky, but I couldn’t help myself. I don’t even know what any of that means or if it will actually actually reduce audio latency.
mox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
The “especially in gaming” bit is encouraging. That might mean they are finally, after 26 years, addressing the demand for high quality, low latency, multichannel, full duplex audio…
…but I won’t hold my breath.
fossphi@lemm.ee 2 months ago
It’s a bit delayed
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I see what you did there.
vividspecter@lemm.ee 2 months ago
A major improvement already happened in 5.2+ but few devices support it yet (LE Audio with LC3 codec).
vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 2 months ago
Will the isochronous mode improvements help?
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Will this centimeter level tracking only work for paired devices or will retailers be tracking us even more closely now.
exanime@lemmy.world 2 months ago
yes yes yes but… will I finally be able to boot my wife off the bathroom speaker so I can play my music without running around the house naked yelling at her to disconnect?!
CombatWombat1212@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Bet any money that it will still cut out and have latency issues
quinkin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
improves device pairing
V6 seems a little soon for this unnecessary feature. Maybe push it back a few versions.
Defaced@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Does it improve the bandwidth so higher quality codecs can be used without having to switch between good quality sound and shitty mics to shitty sound and good mics? I mean seriously, we’re in 2024 and we still can’t have quality parity with a wired headset when using Bluetooth because the bandwidth sucks so much ass that better codecs just can’t be used. Bluetooth can die in a fucking fire.
lightsblinken@lemmy.world 2 months ago
does anyone actually want that? seems beyond the original use case
clot27@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Bluetooth should be killed
sachamato@lemmy.world 2 months ago
All my bose devices pair like a charm. One of the uphills of choosing that brand.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hope it does better than 5. 5 so far chops out whenever i go to the mudroom on the other side of my 1300sqft house
EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
what about built in multipoint?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Interesting this could provide an alternative to RTK Gps. Currently robo lawnmowers with RTK are pretty expensive.
fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Better VR tracking here we come
Railing5132@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I will die on the hill that Bluetooth always has and always will suck ass. Pairing sucks. Latency sucks. Random-ass disconnects suck. Fuck Bluetooth in the neck sideways with a rusty screwdriver.
tonyn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
The bluetooth antennas on your devices have sucked. I have no problems with my pixel 7 pro. Pairs quickly, play music from across the house, through walls and floors even. Previous phones of mine would lose connection to my bluetooth headphones if my.phone was on the wrong hip, obviously an antenna issue.
ggppjj@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Until we can finally kill HSP/HFP, I’m never gonna be happy with Bluetooth. Using a headset mic shouldn’t blast you back to the telephone era.
Railing5132@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m talking phones to cars (for hands-free and music), mice to desk and laptop, earbuds and headphones to both, keyboards to anything from computers to fire TVs, BT speakers, adapters for older receivers… They all suck. Multiple phones, devices and cars. (although the 2012 Chrysler was the worst so far, and the 2021 Subaru is better)
Artyom@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Don’t forget that thr data bandwidth is so low it can’t play higher quality mp3s.
rudyharrelson@lemmy.radio 2 months ago
Depends on the particular device. LDAC has been around for years and supports higher bitrates than mp3s (assuming we’re putting 320kbps mp3s in the “higher quality” category)
AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
3.5mm gang
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I have had no pairing issues with anything since 5.0. Also, a good set of buds 5.2 or more doesn’t have much lag. I wouldn’t pc game with it, but beyond that it’s good. Vlc let’s you easily offset audio and whatever netflix does stays synced real nice for me.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bought a Bluetooth headset 5 years ago, never had a problem with it 🤷 fuck cables
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Buy cheap shit, get shit results.
Railing5132@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Wouldn’t say I buy cheap shit, not Apple (I’m not Musk or Bezos rich), but flagship Samsung and pro earbuds, Logitech trackball, jbl speakers, and headsets from Bose and Jabra. Now the BT receiver for the stereo, that was cheap Amazon garbage. I’ll give you that one.
subtext@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I mean my AirPods are fantastic. I think they’re great at playing my podcasts and I’ve not had any problems with random disconnects. Granted I’ve only ever used them with my phone but still.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Shiny new AirPods + shiny new iPhone = minimal issues. Certainly preferable to cords for many, even if no dongle were required for many corded headphones.
In fact AirPods + iPhones have been all but rock solid for years, at least since first gen kinks were worked out… so five years worth of high reliability.
MisterD@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Apple uses a modified version of Bluetooth
flames5123@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Exactly. I just click a button on my laptop and it pairs. Start playing a video on my phone? It instantly jumps to my phone. No lag, no pairing waiting. Didn’t want that? Click the “connect” button on the laptop bc it just noticed that it jumped to my phone. My Apple TV notices when the AirPods are around. Did I ever have to pair them to the Apple TV? No! They’re connected to my account and can see the other devices easily.
exanime@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not sure what your use case is (or what devices you bought) but I only ever experienced some disconnects from a crappy AliExpress speaker. For the rest, in my 14 years or so of using BT regularly, I have never had any of those issues you mentioned
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I agree with the rest but it absolutely does not just randomly disconnect
xthexder@l.sw0.com 2 months ago
I haven’t had it randomly disconnect, but I certainly have had my headphones randomly connect to my phone in the middle of a video call on my laptop. The crappy multi-device support for Bluetooth is the bane of my existence.
disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Im using cheap chinese thing, rarely have problems
MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I have all kinds of cable extensions specifically to reduce my reliance on BT. Wired bedside headphones and keyboard are the best
kirk781@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
I see you are also a victim of trying to use Bluetooth on Linux. My condolences.