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• Mubelotix@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Public money, public code!

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  • stormeuh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    IMO this should be the case for everything developed using public money, looking at you, pharmaceutical companies…

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    • Liz@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The issue becomes when things are developed with a mix of public and private money. I’m not saying we shouldn’t tackle the issue, only that it can’t be as simple as public money = public resource. If that were true, nearly all of us would be required to work for free, since we got the majority of our education through public funding.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But it will be written in Schwiizerdütch, so no one outside of Switzerland will understand it. I think it’s a dialect of Perl.

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    • vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your joke aside, which I thought was funny did remind me that as it happens, the Swiss do an amazing job in making things internationally accessible.

      Take for example their spectrum management system that not only allows you to search for categories of users, handles kHz to MHz data entry, gives access to the legal provisions and then the legislation itself, does so in four languages.

      www.ofcomnet.ch/#/fatTable

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’ll do with Swiss dialect of Lisp with grüezi instead of define.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This almost pleases RMS

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• WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is the way it should be. Governments around the world have spent decades enriching big tech with public money, when they could have pooled their resources and built FOSS software that benefited everyone.

  Same goes for science and everything else funded by tax payers.

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• nerdschleife@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Meanwhile my country’s apps don’t let you open them if you have Developer Options enabled on android :)

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  • timewarp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And they’ll prob make it illegal for you to bypass and hide developer options because to them that means you’re hacking them.

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    • balder1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Country: it’s illegal do be a software developer 🤡

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  • Kushan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s fucking hilarious

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  • FierySpectre@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Same here, sure there’s hacks and workarounds that don’t require root… But still why the extra step…

    I just want my window animation speed to be faster, why does that disqualify me from reading stuff sent to my government mailbox.

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  • GregorTacTac@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which country?

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    • nerdschleife@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      India

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• Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Been contracting for the Swiss government for years, namely ASTRA. They have 0 concept of how that should happen. It’s their IP, but they don’t want to take it, host it, maintain it, or do anything else with it once the project is done.

  Do they just expect others to foot the bill? Sure, free GitHub exists, but everything else? Open sourcing without maintenance is abandonware and usually useless.

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  • vk6flab@lemmy.radio ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In contrast, abandoned open source software can be picked up and updated by whomever gets paid to, where abandoned closed source software needs to be reimplemented from scratch at great expense to the tax payer.

    Not only that, open source software can be adopted by the community (who already paid for the development through their taxes) for their own purposes. Consider for example the productivity impact on business that starts using tools that it cannot afford to develop itself.

    Office things like document management, workflow management, accounting, but also tools used in the science community, transport and logistics, anything that government does is represented in some other way in society.

    This is a big deal and I hope that it will reverberate across the globe and become the new normal.

    Whilst we’re at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community.

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    • Randelung@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’ll gladly upload my stuff into some repo they allow me to. I’ve inquired about it in the past - I wrote a piece of sw that fills a requirement hole left by a widely used SCADA tool - but they outright forbid it. That was about a year ago.

      My point is less about open source and more about how they have no clue how to handle their IP even now. It’s a nice gesture at best (at least currently. Maybe there’s more on the way).

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    • ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whilst we’re at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community.

      That sounds like it would be pretty useful to get better quality statistical research papers (well, I guess quality would depend more upon the researcher), doable by people without corporate backing.

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Whilst we’re at it, consider the impact of open data, where government datasets are available to the community

      *imagines Moscow* You still would need more trees and fix old rain drain system.

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  • logging_strict@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Step 1: all software has to be open source

    Step 2: governments, required by law, to fund FOSS projects in their tech stacks. Helped by organizations which trace project funding and lobbying to promote FOSS security by providing funding; a huge incentive to not insert malware

    Step 3: coders are afforded dignity (UBI); given funds geared towards affording a maintenance team. Regardless of country of origin. Vital infrastructure is vital infrastructure. Talent is talent.

    I support this move to Step 1

    Where is the list of pauper gov’ts which force talent to get a job rather than be a talent and then maintain their projects with dignity!

    Those jobs are mostly nonsense. Geared towards wasting our time building:

    • yet another stupid web site

    • yet another stupid smartphone app

    • yet another stupid cloud base server instance

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    • xilona@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yup and then they move the spyware/malware/etc into a layer below where nobody knows what is inside…

      How is your baseband modem in your smartphone doing, by the way?

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  • jaybone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Used to be Lufthansa gave you toblerone

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• Beaver@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All governments should take notice

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• ledix@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “unless precluded by third-party rights or security concerns”, so this bill does nothing

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  • Vigge93@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    1. I imagine that the company would have the burden of proof that any of these criteria are fulfilled.

    2. Third-party rights most likely refers to the use of third-party libraries, where the source code for those isn’t open source, and therefore can’t be disclosed, since they aren’t part of the government contract. Security concerns are probably things along the line of “Making this code open source would disclose classified information about our military capabilities” and such.

    Switzerland are very good bureaucracy and I trust that they know how to make policies that actually stick.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is written like that, so that MS 365 still can be used. Some worker here go literally crazy, if they have to work with alternatives to MS 365…

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  • BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It does one thing: make every contract have a clause specifically to combat this…

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  • deaf_fish@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I still think a good chunk of the code will be visible. You can have all the code up to the point where you call the proprietary function. Obviously you won’t get to see what’s inside that function but you can guess. Also, a lot of proprietary libraries have that functionality really well documented.

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• Gemini24601@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Open source will always be the best option, especially with a government supporting it! Imagine what government funding could do to accelerate improvements to Linux

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Russia does some of it, probably most countries in EU and China do it.

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• hubobes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I work for a company which creates software for the government. Super exited for more OSS projects from out company.

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  • dan@upvote.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the government.

    The Swiss government?

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    • hubobes@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep, the swiss government. Complicated is probably the best word to describe it. We are a very decentralized country (which makes sense for a country that was founded as a coalition to fight the royals that oppressed its people, none of those partners want someone to rule them) so every canton (state) does a lot of things differently than the other ones. But it is nice to see that after years of neglect they try to actually push digitalization by establishing common standards and systems.

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    • gaael@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s nice, although a bit cheesy ;)

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• TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s fucking amazing

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• CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Hopefully more governments will follow this. At the very least, the taxpayer should have the right for whatever software’s source code that it funds development.

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• 1984@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I guess it’s not convenient to have Microsoft and Apple scan your company images and employee emails. Even take screenshots automatically if they can get away with it.

  Appearently other countries are fine with this, which surprises me much more.

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  • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is specifically about software developer for the government. Microsoft office is then not included.

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• bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This makes me curious in the US on whether or not government app source code would be provided via a FOIA request.

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  • timewarp@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’d think so, but the answer is no. They’ve employed companies like Microsoft, Oracle, etc. to write up the security handbooks that says proprietary software is more secure. Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

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    • Geometrinen_Gepardi@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Heck, even electronic voting systems in the US is closed-source.

      How can elections even be trusted to be fair in that case?

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  • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Generally, works of the US government are public domain.

    However, most apps are produced on contract with development companies, and I expect the contract specifies that the rights remain with the developer.

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    • cybersandwich@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The explicitly do not, at least with every US federal contract I’ve ever seen. The govt owns the code that is written full stop.

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  • satanmat@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Short version: no

    Long version: I’m pretty sure; no. I believe that; tools used like apps would not be subject to FOIA.

    I deal with public records requests at work… email, documents etc. sure thing, but I’m pretty sure that the AG would laugh at you requesting the source code for apps we use.

    —- I could only wish that we were mandated to use only open source software

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I think that’s a good call.

  If the people are paying for it through taxes, it shouldn’t be contracted out to some company who lock further development behind their continued involvement.

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• SkabySkalywag@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Image

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• BlanK0@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Switzerland being based af ngl 😎😎😎

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  • sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Everything about this post is annoying.

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    • user@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Switzerland be W Rizz Skibidi af ngl 🤪

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• kaffiene@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Awesome!

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• jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I hope more governments do this, especially after how unsurprisingly shit (read: insecure) microsoft has become.

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  • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Has become? When was it ever not?

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    • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah it’s always been shit but I do think they have been referencing how the number of exploits and malware has only gotten worse over the years

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    • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Specifically I was referencing the recent Russian cyberattack on US government servers that were/are run by microsoft. The flaw was known about for years but no one did anything about it because profit.

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• vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s a very surprisingly amazing thing of them!

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• sturmblast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Now there is some common sense.

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• uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wasn’t there EU-wide law about it?

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  • Adanisi@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Switzerland isn’t in the EU

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    • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It is however in the schengen area. so regulatory alignment on a lot of issues is still required as if they were members

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah. Right. It’s easy to forget it.

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• anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is their Microsoft deal about to expire?

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• HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can’t wait for our US government to catch up never.

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  • themurphy@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They actively fight progress in some areas.

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  • charonn0@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    www.code.gov

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• WhyFlip@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If only other non-podunk countries would follow suit.

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  • archomrade@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is Switzerland podunk now?

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• RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Tangential, but there’s a long list of government github accounts here: government.github.com/community/

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• Chee_Koala@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Together monkey strong!!

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• n3m37h@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wwwaiiiiiittt… So does this mean OS too? Is an entire country switching to the dark side? Linux, I mean Linux

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Windows wasn’t developed for the Swiss government, it was developed for the general public and we adopted it off the shelf.”

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    • n3m37h@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Found the Swiss, can’t even take a joke¡

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  • chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    the right side

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• MonkderDritte@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Good. Now try ODF.

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• hotpot8toe@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s really cool

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• supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  bites lip, damn Switzerland that is hot as fuck

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• clot27@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  common switzerland W

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