These are the kind of reactions I get when I recommend Anubis to deal with bots at work, what alternatives are there?

Submitted ⁨⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

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At work I was asked by a different team how we can deal with bots, because someone in my team remembered that I knew how to do it.

I reluctantly suggested Anubis because I got shit for it last time, This is the URL https://anubis.techaro.lol

This is the 2nd and last time I will ever recommend Anubis anywhere at work to deal with bots because of how unprofessional, un-serious and weird others perceive it.

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The mascot being a ~10 year old “cutsie” anime cat girl is weird in a work setting.
I will never put myself in a situation again where I have to explain that it’s not weird to anyone again, same for that URL.

What is a professional looking open-source alternative to Anubis?

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Soatok@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If you want serious and professional: Pay for it!

If you want it free, you get the anime girl.

This is an exclusive choice.

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- cadekat@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Isn’t it MIT? Can’t you just… Change the image?
  
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- Ajen@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is brilliant.
  
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gravitywell@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The type of folks who avoid Anubis because of the mascot don’t deserve good bot protection anyway. Its like reverse gate keeping, the corpo dorks filter themselves out.

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- HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  came here to say just that
  
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fdnomad@programming.dev ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Well you can pay 50 USD / month to remove the anime jackal girl and apply your own branding. I think its a fair system: hobby & FOSS projects don’t have to mind being cringe and profit-oriented operations that need to look professional can spare some of their profit for this cool service.

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- magnue@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Kinda a genius way to deliver a free service to individuals but force companies to pay for it. Just bung some really cringe pic there…
  
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- artyom@piefed.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That doesn’t really solve the problem. The problem arises when he presents the product. It’s a very unserious and unprofessional image that professionals see immediately when OP shows them the tool, which causes the project not to be taken seriously. Which is fine, because it’s not really a professional product, and isn’t trying to be. OP should probably just stop trying to present it as such. Any company is going to want something more common with funding and technical support anyway. Most likely what just about everyone else uses (Cloudflare).
  
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  - sem@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Explain the business strategy
    
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  - Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Open-Source sadly shooting itself in the foot again because of hills they choose to die on.
    
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- RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s not cringe :(
  
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  - lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    As a millennial parent to teenage girls who eat this shit up, IMO, it is very cringe.
    
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post
  
  If I could send them to eg. botstopper.com where there is no mascot to be found, then that would be a solution.
  
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  - Gladaed@feddit.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I feel like you didn’t understand what they are saying. That is the page of their monetization policy, not a demo.
    
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  - derpgon@programming.dev ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I am pretty sure the software is self hosted. So what is the issue?
    
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  - i_am_not_a_robot@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/…/botstopper.mdx
    
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- veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  being cringe
  
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NoLemurs@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I think people are right that the solution here isn’t to try a different project.

Instead of being confrontational about it, though, I’d recommend a different aproach.

evelyn: .lol 😜

you: I know! I know. The branding is pretty silly. But this really is the right tool for the task. Unesco and Wikimedia use it. And we can do our own branding for $50/month. 🤷

A lot can be fixed by just acknowledging people. They’re trying to evaluate something they don’t understand, and having a reaction. It’s not even unreasonable. The right thing to do is just acknowledge and move on.

Usually that’s all it takes. Don’t let yourself be embarrassed when you’re being reasonable. If they won’t move on, that’s the point where I start thinking about job applications somewhere else.

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- warm@kbin.earth ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This is because you are mature, you came up with the mature response.
  
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  My response was basically something along those lines. But it’s still DOA, because that coworker now has to sell it to their team, and they won’t.
  
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  - starshipwinepineapple@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Another team asked for your input, and you gave your input. If they don’t want to take your input then what does it matter?
    
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LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
There is a debranded version you can pay for

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esc@piefed.social@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Your work environment is bad if they are so easily distracted by branding and can’t deal with ‘unporfessional’ and ‘weird’ things.

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- SippyCup@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Brother I hear you, I do. The problem isn’t the workplace, the problem is that some people will find this unprofessional enough to bitch. Any public facing anything for any company will be heavily scrutinized by a subset of people who actively look for things to bitch about.
  
  The professional, whitewashed and soulless veneer on every professional website is the direct result of hoards of bored idiots with nothing better to do than bitch about any perceived insult, however slight. You either have an organization that absolutely revels in it, or you end up with the same safe corporate bullshit everyone else has.
  
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  - esc@piefed.social@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I think I’ve just never worked in an environment like this it was always either a startup where nobody cares about branding of some tool (also there wouldn’t even be a discussion about it) or places where it wasn’t a priority as long as it worked because menagerial class limited in numbers so they couldn’t poke where it wasn’t required.
    
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LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
the insane smugness and inability to comprehend that money isnt everything for the creator is astounding “Waaahhh Anubis isn’t gonna get my money cus they chose to look UNPROFESSIONAL”

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- LodeMike@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  MBAs love getting ripped off.
  
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  - LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    oh they do want all the shit anubis and other foss projects offers which is why they keep trying to browbeat and bully them whenever they arent soulless slop, see the comment thread elsewhere in this post where a bunch of fucks keep jerking off to their idea of replacing the catgirl with a grey square or something so that muh MaRkEt can get over itself and ~~take over~~ properly compensate the project
    
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veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

2026

mistrusting a firewall because of a changeable anime catgirl when there’s technofascist executing and leading technofascism on IT all abroad

Your teammates are stupid (not to mention they are probably projecting their own fetishes, denialists and negationists are like that) and they deserve to be derided. Changing the logo of a program these days is, like, two lines in a script.

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cadey@pony.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
@Ek-Hou-Van-Braai Hi, tomska's law is in play and I have been linked this thread. I am the Anubis dev. I am having my agent work on a soulless generic corporate website for BotStopper with one of the most painfully boring layouts imaginable, including a random WebGL effect on the homepage for no reason.
I couldn't get a .com so I hope the corporate drones you work with will not balk at the sheer horror of a .net domain.
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- 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That’s fine and all, but this version should cost money. Not as much as cloudflare, so corpos go for if, but definitely more than enough to fund you.
  
  If they want free, they can use the anime .lol cat girl. If that’s “too much” for them, then they can pay for the generic .net version.
  
  That’s my opinion, at least.
  
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  - Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This is actually a good idea
    
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- SleepyPie@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Charge money for a version that literally just takes the anime girl out 🤣
  
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  - cadey@pony.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    @SleepyPie That's the entire product pitch for BotStopper: Anubis post waifu-ectomy
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- egrets@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Just wanted to chime in and say that OP’s experience is exactly how it would go down at my workplace too, despite the deluge of downvotes they’re getting, and I also likely would have looked at alternatives instead of proposing it, for the sake of my professional reputation. I think it’s likely true for a ton of people.
  
  That’s not to say that people aren’t being over-serious if they see the original branding and balk at it, but that’s out of OP’s hands.
  
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  .net is perfectly fine, and C - Suites won’t frown at it.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Plain and boring sounds great, I’d much rather see us using Open-Source tools than just turn to cloudflare or something, these changes would make it possible for me and others to push for this at work.
  
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  - cadey@pony.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    @Ek-Hou-Van-Braai I have made https://botstopper.net/. It is vibecoded as a stylistic choice. Everything in docs/ is copied from the BotStopper repo but with some information that would give attakcers hints deleted.
    Enjoy the utter lack of whimsy.
    As an aside, please DM me somehow. I have feedback to give about your post.
    Attachment: botstopper.net ↗
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mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
“Look, we don’t need to use Photoshop for our shop. There’s an open source option that matches our use case perfect.”

“What’s it called?”

“Gnu Image Manipulation Program.”

“That’s an awfully long name. They should have a shorter one that’s less of a mouthful to say.”

“…they do not.”

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- Broadfern@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Krita’s pretty close, but unfortunately not quite as close as the program our friend Wilber represents :’)
  
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- lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  GIMP blows anyway.
  
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Strawman
  
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  - wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I dunno, that was more of a joke to me?
    
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  - mycodesucks@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
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MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Anubis is not out to make money, as such it has absolutely no obligation to try to appeal to corpos who would use it without contributing back to it.

Either your coworkers have to get over their hangups (have they not noticed that some of the best software that exists is made by furries?) or you’ll have to re-implement something yourselves.

Anubis is open source. You COULD fork it and modify it for your own purposes.

If your coworkers can’t separate what a piece of software is able to do from how it is branded, that’s their problem.

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- rbos@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Xe Xaio is trying to self fund to replace their day job, so i wouldn’t say there’s no money motivation involved.
  
  It was a slightly uphill battle to get my organization to adopt it for similar reasons but we got there with the branding, and we love botstopper. I put some effort into letting them know just how much it’s blocking.
  
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  - DaGeek247@fedia.io ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah, but Xe Xaio also has a full time job that is funding things right now. There's room for priorities other than profit, such as cute furry art. Not everything has to be about money.
    
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- Bananskal@nord.pub ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  It’s also OP’s problem though, clearly.
  
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curbstickle_lw@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I want to remind everyone to keep on topic. Disparaging people for whatever reason is not on topic.

If you see something problematic, please report rather than respond. Your comment in response will be nuked along with the original problem comment.

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Shadow_Glider@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
https://codeberg.org/wheresalice/go-away Even if you didn’t have the issues with branding, this is just generally better than Anubis.

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mlg@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
“You can change the logo bruh”

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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I also find the logo weird. They call it Anubis, but use an anime girl instead of a sexy, shirtless jackal man like Neferu.

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sealhaslupus@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
tell them to grow up

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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Great career move, run around telling people to grow up.
  
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  - BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Being assertive IS important in your career. Your colleagues are the unprofessional ones here. I would not tolerate someone sending me “lol” in a professional context and would quickly correct that behaviour.
    
    A factual reply is all thats needed “you asked for a solution, this is the solution. Please do not be dismissive or rude. If you want an alternative please look for yourself, just expect the cost to be significantly higher. Otherwise I’m happy to discuss any concerns which are easily addressed such as branding”.
    
    There is a huge difference between being rude and beibg assertive. They’re clearly being rude. You need to be assertive in response.
    
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  - sealhaslupus@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    depends on what kind of relationship you have with your colleagues.
    
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- orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Grow up and accept the paedophyllic representation of a girl made to appease incel neckbeards into defending it.
  
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  - LuceVendemiaire@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    holy shit are we already stepping down to “the creator is a pedo for liking anime”?
    
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BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Look, you suggested software that does the job. The issue is not the software, its that your colleagues are being dismissive and disrespectful.

Instead of looking for other alternatives, you need to be more assertive in your job and career. Tell them you offered an option that does the job and if they have better options its on them to offer them. And also tell them you dont appreciate “lol” as a response to a work suggestion.

Scrambling to find an alternative because your work colleagues are too immature or arrogant to get past a animal character really doea not reflect well on you. Instead you can tell them the company can pay to and have their own branding, or they can go with a more expensive option like cloudflare, just because b they can’t be bothered to engage with the cheaper option.

But whatever you do, do not accept this dismissive treatment by your colleagues. You’re just setting the standard that they can just laugh at you and insult you. That is the unprofessional behaviour by them, not some projects mascot. Do not tolerate that BS.

You’ve been perfectly reasonable being argumentative with people here. Apply that attitude to your colleagues who are the real issue.

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- shifting9810@lemmy.mrpostman.ch ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  And also tell them you dont appreciate “lol” as a response to a work suggestion.
  
  Not sure if you’re joking but the answer isn’t “lol” it’s “.lol?” because the tld of the website ends in lol (anubis.techaro.lol)
  
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  - SatyrSack@quokk.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    All these comments about the URL being unprofessional or whatever, and I am just now realizing what they mean by that. I saw anubis.techaro.lol and didn’t get what about that was unprofessional. Professional tools can be named after mythological beings, etc. It wasn’t until seeing your comment here that I realized lol may seem unprofessional or something.
    
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- verstra@programming.dev ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t think you understand the problem.
  
  I will never put myself in a situation again where I have to explain that it’s not weird to anyone again, same for that URL.
  
  To some people, anubis is weird, there is no changing that. It does the job, the mascot can be changed by paying, but the project itself is weird to some people. Such person is asking, is there an alternative. You cannot just say “push back that is not weird”.
  
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  - Azzu@leminal.space ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You can, though.
    
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possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If this is for work you probably should bring in a professional. There are enterprise solutions for this.

This is selfhosted after all

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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  My client wants to ditch US tech and have a Open-Source division, so they are pro self hosting and open source.
  
  It’s government, so they will frown upon that mascot, and won’t choose it as a tool.
  
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  - _stranger_@lemmy.world@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    if it’s self hosted, just replace the image with your company logo, problem solved.
    
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  - marcos@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Look at the anubis challenge algorithm, reimplement it, publish it for the rest of your government organizations.
    
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anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I imagine Anubis looking like that is because professional settings really should sponsor when using open source.
anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper/
github.com/sponsors/Xe
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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That URL has all the same issues I mention in my post
  
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  - anamethatisnt@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You can always contact techaro.lol and ask if they’re willing to setup a secondary domain for you.
    
    Or you can use others endorsements of the product to give it weight.
    "The Linux Foundation uses Anubis to protect git.kernel.org and lore.kernel.org and seem very satisfied with the result.
    For the low cost of 50USD/Month we get a custom branded version of it.
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    …kernel.org/…/1bb84190-f207-4adc-ac0e-8eb87a8a60f…"
    
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Simon_Shitewood@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Sounds like you need to explain the difference between a serious tool and a serious looking tool. They can frump about it being weird but it is the foss option.

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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They dismiss it because it’s seems weird.
  
  It’s not a fight worth fighting for me at work. Got to pick your battles
  
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  - veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    So they dismiss it because of looks, but hey, do tell, do they support technofascism tools because of how they perform?
    
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  - Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Yeah that’s fair, it’s not worth throwing your lot in with someone they deem as “weird” and forever be the weird guy if they don’t end up using the tool. Ridiculous that they’re turning down legitimate options because of (fixable) aesthetics
    
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  - frongt@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Then what’s the point of this post?
    
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BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Idk my last workplace was full of nerds who appreciated the pedigree of anubus’ creator. We used it to protect our production sites without even changing the branding. If I were in your place I would find it very hard to resist bringing up the amount of furries in tech.

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- Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Yea I’m for sure not bringing up flurries at work
  
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  - BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’m sorry your workplace is so lame 😞 most of the IT at my last job were furries, and half of the dev team were trans or gay. I couldn’t imagine working somewhere that rejects valid software just because of its associations. That’s kinda like shooting yourself on the foot.
    
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  - veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    What, afraid one of the other techies would uwu back?
    
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diminou@lemmy.zip ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Look buddy I understand that URL has the same issue you mention in your post but it is the official Anubis URL.

Thus if you really want to be professional you load up the URL past the anime girl, organize a meeting and share your screen.

Tell them what it is and what it is for.

Explain what is opensource and the fact that this is free only if they accept that anime girl. Otherwise it’ll be 50 bucks and they can put their own ai designed logo instead.

If they are still acting like childs treat them like childs. Recenter the meeting on what it is for. Do a proof of concept. I don’t know, do something instead of stating that the official website is not how you would like it to be ?

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OrganicMustard@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If the UNESCO and Wikimedia websites can use it, so does your company. Not an issue of the software, grow up.

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EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
is crowdsec no longer the gold standard? I’ve been sself hosting since … forever and I’ve never heard of anubis, but I’ve seen it in the wild.

Suggesting a self hosted alternative in an enterprise environment is a no-no (unless you’re in a startup)

Any self respecting enterprise level business will require warranty and support which self hosted solutions do not offer. Good luck trying to get an “SLA” out of Anubis support, if it even exists.

Sounds to me like you need a WAF (if you want to self host it for some reason) there are other enterprise level services that specialize in this. Zscaler comes to mind, but there are dozens.

Free plug for my company because they help pay the bills.

www.imperva.com/…/web-application-firewall-waf/

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CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Anubis is open source under the MIT license. If the branding is an issue, fork it, change the branding, call it good.

The MIT license makes it, effectively, a whitebox solution. You can change the branding to whatever you want it to be.

If your colleagues are people of a technical inclination they should understand that. If they don’t I would question their competence and literacy. If they’re not technical in nature I would question why any such proposal is reaching their desk without having first been rebranded, implemented in a test environment, thouroughly tested, and then (and only then) being presented as a proof of concept.

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deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I was asked by a different team how we can deal with bots

So they are not competent enough to do it on their own, but your solution gets laughed at? Why help them at all?

Let them allocate the budget for a “big boy” brand application firewall like F5 of paloalto…

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slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Botstopper.

Litterly the same thing but you can customise the image.

anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/botstopper

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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
It’s .lol for free or it’s Cloudflare 💰💰

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TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Firstly, sorry you’re having this problem and sorry the responses here have been nearly universally unhelpful and aggressive. This is a pretty perfect case study of what I don’t like about the fediverse. There’s a lot to like about this place but what drives me nuts is the unhinged and reality-divorced types who cannot understand something so simple as normal people thinking things are weird. Half the respondents here think you should scream at your coworkers about this and/or quit. You asked an incredibly reasonable and relatable question and mostly got shat on for it. Just wanted to say that someone sees how ridiculous it is, not everyone here is lost completely in their own (hateful) world. Sorry I don’t have a solution for you.

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stopforgettingit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I dont have a solution but I get it. My company ended up using slack over discord because of the same issue. Discord is unprofessional, the brand name and gamer logo were a nonstarter and that ended the discussion without looking at the software features.

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