Comment on Not even poor Notepad is safe from Microsoft's AI obsession

DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fun fact: Most of the features that people liked about the “new” Windows notepad were just stolen from Notepad++ anyway.

  So you may as well just use Notepad++ and enjoy a better experience, plus about a zillion other things like numerous plugins, syntax highlighting for just about every programming language under the sun, immensely configurable color schemes, etc., etc., etc.

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  • morrowind@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Hardly “stolen”. Suff like tabs is very basic that n++ didn’t invent.

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    • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And even if Notepad++ had invented it, it's not "stealing" to do the same thing. Notepad++ still has its tabs, nobody stole them. Copied them, maybe. Inspired by them, perhaps. "Stolen" is just a deliberately emotion-baiting term.

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    • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Explorer still can’t do it though.

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      • clearleaf@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They had that in win10 as well for about a week and then they took it away hoping nobody noticed it so it could be a win11 feature instead.

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  • AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    More likely they are direct ports of things from the highly popular Visual Studio Code as a lot of people used to bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad for YEARS before Notepad++ was a thing.

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    • LethalSmack@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think you mean you discovered vs code years before you found notepad++

      Notepad++ has been around since 2003 years and vs code has been around since 2015.

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      • Buddahriffic@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A lot of those features were in visual studio 6, which was released in the late 90s or early 00s. Tabbed files, syntax highlighting for their supported formats (though it was a lot more tightly bound to those languages, like there was a visual basic program and a separate visual c/c++, n++ is the first I remember with arbitrary language syntax highlighting support), pretty sure it had a plugin system, too.

        And vs6 was just the first one I used, they might have been present in vs5 or earlier versions.

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      • AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No I am saying people where coding html in plan old notepad way before notepad +

        And separately with MS having popularity with VS code they likely ported the dev functions to ms notepad there is a good chance notepad++ was not the inspiration.

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    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then those features in VS Code were most likely heavily inspired by Notepad++ as well.

      TL;DR: There’s no reason to stick with a shitty Microsoft application for this task since N++ exists and is, was, and probably forever will be superior.

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    • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      bound out RAW HTML and other code in notepad

      You’re someone who likes pain huh?

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      • AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Was making HTML pages long before Notpad++ was a thing young one.

        Not saying I would do it that way now.

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• FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is not enshittification. Here's where the term came from:

  Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification

  In what way is adding an AI assistant to Notepad either "abusing their users" or "abusing their business customers?" It seems like it's just a useful new feature to me.

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  • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform. The only thing notepad had going for it was its completely simplicity, reliability, and speed. Nobody wants notepad to try to rope you into this ecosystem.

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    • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They’re sacrificing the utility of the tool to make it part of their new AI-driven operating system as a service platform.

      You don't know that. You have no idea how this "cowriter" will be integrated. It could be just a little button off on the side, maybe with a setting in the configuration to hide it entirely, and you can ignore it completely.

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      • yuriy@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Any additional functionality added to an already feature-complete program is bloat, no two ways about it. If notepad+AI was a separate program, this would be a different discussion. Even if you can hide it completely, the fact that it’s there at all will affect performance. And even if it’s just a tiny blip in relative performance, it’s still the first step on the road to enshittification.

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      • kogasa@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        OK.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But… MUH BUZZWORDS!

    (I really hate the Reddit-style overuse of that word.)

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    • Signtist@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ah, the enshittification of enshittification.

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Perfection.

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    • lemmyman@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That one and “FAFO” in its various incarnations can take a break for a bit, IMO

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      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Shockingly, I don’t know that one! I thought I read FIFO before rereading that.

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    • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I do too, considering it never needed a new term to begin with. This isn’t a new concept, and we already have a name for it: rent seeking

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  • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like Cory Doctorow. I think his theory of enshittification is useful, but I find his definition flawed.

    • Why is it limited to platforms? Can’t enshittification apply to other things like applications?
    • Are business customers really required or can that step be skipped?
    • The platforms dying thing isn’t what we are seeing. For example, Amazon is absolutely enshittified. They’re not dead. More like undead, continuing to shamble on consuming everything.

    I still give credit to Cory for being an acute observer and coming up with a useful theory.

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    • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There is no need to coin a new term, when “rent seeking” has done just fine for hundreds of years now.

      This is not a new concept.

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      • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I completely forgot about that term. That may be more accurate. In fact, it describes what has Windows has become.

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  • ThanksForAllTheFish@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI assistants usually need to upload the data to process it. So it’s potential enshitification via adding data upload/harvesting features to a trusted offline text editor. Usually companies have ways to generate revenue streams based on the data from these “free and useful features”. Adverts based on what text files you open might be the long term end goal.

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    • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you're concerned then don't use the feature. It's really simple.

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      • ThanksForAllTheFish@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That would be fine, but a lot of these features are added in an update, with complicated setups or mods to turn them off. Start bar local app search now gets sent to bing search by default, thats almost never what people want. Most people wont know how to disable it or care. But I guess thats fine as long as Microsoft gets to increase its bing usage stats and collect more user data.

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  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Adding an AI seems OK but per the article it will do it similar to Paint Co-creator. I can already see those types of “features” will get promoted more and more in updates and take more part of the screen.

    Microsoft will want revenue trickling in from Notepad of all places…

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  • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Leaks of company secrets will increase.

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  • unrelatedkeg@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What about privacy and bloat? Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again? There’s a reason they got rid of that annoying little bugger 20-ish years ago. Even killed Cortana. How many failed experiments more do we need?

    If you need AI writing, you have it in Edge or on the ChatGPT site. Will they add AI to settings to help you turn on all the bloat and tracking for you?

    Like just give me my damn control panel which has a working search feature (unlike, say, Settings)

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    • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Do you really need an integrated big-brother Clippy again?

      You're making some pretty big assumptions about what this feature will be like.

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• PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Unfff pump my veins full of Notepad++. I wanna feel the autosaving tabs course through me. I need that tabbed indenting experience. AAAAAAAAAAA

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• AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It does contain random political statements however which is sometimes concerning.

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  • Atropos@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I haven’t noticed any of this. Where are you seeing them?

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    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So far the author seems to have been on the right side of history. You can see some of them in the N++ update news:

      notepad-plus-plus.org/news/

      They seem to be pro-Ukraine (or at least anti-Russian invasion) and anti-Chinese authoritarianism. I can’t bring myself to have any beef with either of those positions, really.

      At one point they also sold a thong.

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      • hushable@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Damn, I just missed on the thong

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    • CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They had some messages regarding a free Ukraine a few updates back. It’s a free app so if he wants to include that in his update message that’s fine to me.

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    • AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every few updates the read me, description or something contains some kind of statement on various world issues going on.

      Search the hit hub issues for notepad++ for the word political. People complain each time.

      I don’t care if he is on the rights side of the issue or note, just don’t like it popping up in software.

      I thought my installer was infected the one time by to giant wall of default text when I opened it.

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    • DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s because they think that being anti Russia and pro Ukraine is…pOliTiCaL

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      • TheFerrango@lemmy.basedcount.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It is. The sentence “I’m pro Ukraine/Russia” is most definitely a political statement

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• FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  And it’s great that it exists, but the average Windows user has no idea that exists and probably no idea how to download and install it because the average Windows user, like the average computer user, is only nominally computer literate.

  Those are the people Microsoft constantly fucks over, not people here who tend to know what they’re doing. A large percentage of people here don’t even use Windows except maybe through an emulator.

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• jflorez@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  SublimeText is a much better alternative

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  • Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not open source

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• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Neat, TIL of another app. Unfortunately, it looks like development has been abandoned. The last update was from 13 years ago.

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• gunpachi@lemmings.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  LiteXL is also pretty good.

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