Comment on An LAPD helicopter claimed to have ID'ed protesters from above and threatened to "come to your house"

Magister@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  And cover up your face and any visible tattoos or any other identifying features

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  • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Put a rock in your shoe too. Gait identification can be shockingly accurate.

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    • jellygoose@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Dune sand walking

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• iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  and cover your face if you are in a shithole country like USA, Turkey, Russia etc

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  • JunglisticFunkateer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    USA … the world’s richest third world country.

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• MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that’s what I do.

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  • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.

    the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.

    it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”

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    • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I’m talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren’t going to get into your phone if it’s powered off.

      it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”

      There’s going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it’s not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you’re not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).

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    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, a proper cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics…

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      • jerkface@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        A proper Faraday cage, a truly excellent one, just the most Faraday of all the cages, is easily defeated by physical attacks such as getting your phone cloned when you get mass arrested and summarily released on OR.

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      • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Faraday cage does not prevent gyroscopes and accelerometers from working. Then if you remove it from a faraday cage in the future, it will transmit all that movement

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  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Not good enough. Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer, then if at any point in the future, you remove it from the faraday cage, your entire movement logs are transmitted.

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    • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer

      This is plainly false.

      The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone’s MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.

      There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.

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      • masta_chief@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You seem to know a lot about this. I’m just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I don’t think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.

      The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don’t think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.

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    • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it’s kind of moot.

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      • glitch1985@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “powered off”

        Unless I’m holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don’t trust it being turned off either.

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      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        when a large, trump supporter corporation, with its main business being habit and environment tracking based personalized advertising, has so deep access to your phone as it literally builfs the operating system for it, maybe it is indeed already compromised.

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• Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you think you need a phone, it should be a burner.

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  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That burner cant ever have connected to a cell tower when its near your house, otherwise its not longer a “burner”

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Gyro/accelerometer data isn’t accurate enough to do that. Small errors in the data add up and will quickly drift away from the actual location. You can use it for video game controllers, but not tracking over large distances.

      But most phones have GPS and that’s where the real problem is.

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      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Gps jammers should be peaceful protest standard issue, along with stinkwater drone, foamweapons and open source open hardware anti air missiles

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    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That gives me a good idea. A week before the protest buy burners, use them frequently near republican supporters’ house, go to a protest, use your phone all the time in the protest, let them enjoy the fruits of the regime they supported.

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      • Olhonestjim@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Gotta clean and sterilize them.

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      • masta_chief@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Diabolical. In theory, of course. Definitely just in theory.

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• thedruid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Radios or mesh devices only

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• arrow74@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I bring my phone. I likely won’t be breaking any laws, and I can afford a lawyer. So yeah arrest me and waste the system’s time. Just another data point they have to sort

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Lawyers operate in courts. We don’t have due process anymore.

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    • arrow74@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Then as I said we’re already cooked. But also that is demonstrably false anyway. Our judiciary is under heavy threat, but still functioning

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      • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Barely functionning isn’t good enough, it has to be beyond reproach but today it has daily miscarriages.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Just go out wearing a MAGA hat. They only have small brains it’ll probably confuse them. They only have small brains it’ll probably confuse them.

      Like how insects are always pretending to be wasps so they don’t get eaten, see it’s scientific.

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      • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Or even just dress how they’d expect their own to dress, don’t even need a dumbass hat. I wear an old tan leather jacket and a Swedish combat cap which apparently translates to friend for them. Also applies to the anarchists though, they see my clothes as friendly.

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  • Saleh@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Police issues a dispersal order, but blocks all routes to safely leave the area.

    Congratulations, you will now be charged as having committed a crime and good luck proving in a court that there was no realistic option for you to leave.

    Also police seizes your phone. Congratulations now they access your data and either go after people you have had contact with or they claim you to be part of a criminal organization as they pin other charges on people they found a connection with.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      This is the sort of nuts and bolts of protesting that Americans are learning the hard and fast way.

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    • arrow74@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I doubt they will find anything of use. The most powerful thing I can do is slow them down. It’s rhe best use of my privilege

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