What should they be pursuing now? They have state of the art chips, tablets, phones, laptops and even all in one desktops, the only thing they don’t have are TV’s, at this point why not try to conquer the next frontier. even if it takes a decade?
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Imperor@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me. There are so few real applications and the hardware requirements are insane so it’s not something that will get widely adapted anyway. Sure in a decade or so it might have matured enough to have shed all these issues, but AR/VR feels like a really out of touch thing to prusue, especially if you look at the garbage ideas they have on how to use it - virtual meetings??
I get movies and games on these, possibly even some recording and porn, but these are not their B2B wet dreams anyway.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 2 hours ago
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me.
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It’s a mobile phone you don’t need to hold.
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It’s a mobile phone that never goes in your pocket.
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It’s a mobile phone that is always on and has access to everything you see and hear.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
It’s a bummer than those sound like bad things simply because corporate abuse is always a forgone conclusion. If your data was truly private and always entirely under your control and ONLY your control, those would be really attractive features.
Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 hours ago
Some implementations also have the problem of constantly pointing cameras at non-consenting passers-by.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Totally. I’d also love to train a LLM on my own personal data and preferences, but there is no way I’m trusting a corporation that information.
kayazere@feddit.nl 9 hours ago
Sounds like a fucking nightmare, but a wet dream to Big Trch.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
That’s pill. They just have to sugar coat it enough for everyone to swallow it (like we did with phones).
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Exactly, it’s literally just the next step more convenient than a smartphone. You know how many people have neck and back problems now from smartphones? Not having to look at your hands or even hold anything in your hands is going to be so much better. Not having to pull your phone out of your pocket for a map or a web search or a text or to translate stuff(visual or audio). Having both hands free while doing the things your current phone does, or new things a current phone can’t do.
It’s going to be so much nicer, and sure, the first one is gonna be expensive and not perfect, but it only needs nerds to start with anyway. We’ll make sure it gets to a point where it doesn’t annoy normal people and offers real value. And while the most popular ones will inevitably be the ones made with walled gardens like apple and meta, there will be good ones too for us nerds to move to once we have finished beta testing the mass market ones for you guys.
It’s the same as every tech product cycle. You know the main thing preventing wider adoption of VR/MR/XR right now? Headsets don’t look cool… so, once they are a pair of glasses, or sun glasses, the main barrier is gone. Can’t say people wouldn’t spend 500$ to 2000$ on something as un-necessary as a smartphone every couple of years. They very much do. And if you no longer need to buy or carry a smartphone, all of a sudden you got exactly that amount of money in your pocket.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I want an open source version of this www.evenrealities.com
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Yeah, open source third party ones come a little later. But they will come.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
It’s also a device that can literally put your imagination in front of you in the real world.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
A corporate marketers imagination. Yes.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
or what I chose to 3D paint in my living room… it’s not all just corporate hellscape you know
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osef897@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
overlaying ads on literally everything could be the end goal.
dubyakay@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Apple is not that strong in the overlaying ads over everything department though.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
But Apple will happily take a 30% cut of everything bought using the AR glasses.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
We need laws restricting advertising
thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I’d really just like some glasses that simulate multiple monitors without needing special software. That’s all I want
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Yep, and that seems to be the route Apple was going. Screens you can place anywhere in your visual field.
Valmond@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Gotta need some insane resolution for that right? And 1000hz refresh to make things good I guess.
I mean for text editing, coding etc.
turtlesareneat@discuss.online 14 hours ago
Yep I’ve played with virtual monitors in VR space and I don’t even like watching movies on them, the loss in resolution and the way the dynamic aspect of it (using a moving screen to simulate a static screen) makes it a shitty solution. Eventually it’ll be good enough to watch TV in but I can’t imagine doing serious work in it.
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
I did have fun with the novelty of moving multiple screens around like Minority Report but it really just a novelty at this point
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Quest 3 was the first VR headset to make virtual screens worth it. The clarity of pancake lenses cannot be overstated. The Quest pro technically had them too, but it wasn’t quite good enough in some of the other aspects.
A Quest 3 with Virtual Desktop has replaced my TV and monitor because it was an upgrade to both. Even if all I did was placed those screens statically exactly where they used to be in real life. But of course, they can be anywhere, any size. The screens are 4k 120hz, good enough for pretty much anything. Once you get to about 80 degrees field of view, every pixel of a 4k 60hz signal can be temporally represented. Your head micromoves enough that you aren’t missing any detail between each frame of the reference taking up two of the headsets frames. And when playing a game in actual 120 fps, you won’t notice that you aren’t seeing every single pixel directly physically represented every single frame, it looks good. Worth doing. 4k still looks much nicer than 1440p, which can be fully properly represented at that size.
Using anything other than Virtual Desktop, there is no need to set a monitor any higher than 1080p since they can’t even draw that well enough to be properly represented. Virtual desktop is the only one that uses timewarp layers. If you were around for Carmack, you’ll know that was always his first advice to every piece of VR software he reviewed, “please use timewarp layers for anything you want to look clear face-on” it’s a huge difference.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The resolution thing is actually almost solved IMO. I used my Quest 3 in AR mode almost every single day and the screens are perfectly fine for reading text or having a video on in the background.
Yeah there’s still some screen door effect but it’s really only noticeable when I look for it, it disappears in normal use.
And I genuinely can’t think of a reason you would need 1000hz monitors. Human eyes start to get steady motion at like 50-60 and 90-150 is when the normal eye starts to hit the limit.
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
I want a GTA style HUD at all times 🤪
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Current wanted level by the police would be quite handy
AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Health bar, bank account balance, number of steps in the day, calories burned, my next calendar event
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It depends on what you mean by special software, but current VR headsets already do that out of the box, it’s just that their built-in multi monitor stuff is not amazing. Without any special software, you could have multiple apps open, and those apps could be any android app. The third party stuff you can download or buy is just way better. And it’s way better when the multiple monitors are your computer’s monitors. Cuz then they have 50x the horsepower behind them. For current headsets, generally the best option is Virtual Desktop, if you don’t need more screens than can be handled by high quality timewarp layers. You can get clear 4k or 5740x1080, or anything smaller. With other multi desktop options, you can get more total screens, but there is no point to picking anything above 1080p since even that is already not rendered clearly.
Solutions for current VR/MR/XR headsets will follow to VR/MR/XR glasses, since headsets and glasses are slowly meeting in the middle. Headsets will continue to shrink while packing in the same or more tech, and the glasses will slowly be able to handle more and more tech in their tiny frames.
There will always be full size headsets, but they will essentially be the PC equivalent to the glasses being the smart phone equivalent. We will also likely still have PCs, but it’s concievable that a smartphone won’t be necessary for most people anymore. And even for the people that would still want a smartphone, a “processing puck” for the glasses would be the more likely solution. Give them pocket computer level power instead of smart watch level. So you can play good games on them, like 10-15 years ago-then pc game graphics.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
0x0@infosec.pub 8 hours ago
That is literally special software lmao
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m not sure that wish will every be granted. You need some sort of specific software to get the hardware communicating.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
A Quest 3 isn’t “insane.” It does AR just fine for a few hundred bucks. There ARE real world applications and more coming all the time. The education and medical fields in particular can benefit greatly from such tech.
scarabic@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Agree on all that. In addition, headsets would become so very unhealthy if they took off. Just imagine the addictiveness of phones combined with the sedentary qualities of TV, with both dialed up to 11. People’s vision would get all fucked up, and they would start dying on their couches plugged in. It’s simply not a vision for the future that has any legs.
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
More often than not, I’m burning calories in VR.
suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 9 hours ago
Sure in a decade or so it might have matured enough to have shed all these issues
That’s the point. They want to set themselves up so that when the issues are shed and it becomes a realistic product, they’re already in a place where their product can be the one that takes over the market. If you wait until a product is viable before starting on development, you’re too late.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
It’s been over a decade since the oculus rift came out and there hasn’t been much improvement.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Maybe it’s as simple as the next big product. When smartphones were new, nobody foresaw just how huge they’d become. Nobody could have foreseen what a force they’d turn Apple into. But now improvements are simply iterative, the market is nearing saturation, there’s not much room left to expand what’s next?
Maybe AR. It’s a really cool technology just now becoming practical to implement. Think of them as where smartphones were 15 years ago. Maybe they won’t go anywhere but imagine if they did! Imagine being the company most associated with the next hit tech product!
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It was in the movies they liked when they were kids. Or at least in the movies they think users want to see brought to reality.
As in an answer to the question “what’s cool and futuristic”. Solving medieval barbarism and wars is futuristic, but turns out to not be achievable. Same with floating/underwater oceanic cities, blooming deserts, Mars colonies and 20 minutes on train from Moscow to New Delhi. At the same time the audience has been promised by advertising over years that future will be delivered to them. So - AR. For Apple this is the most important part, I think.
Also to augment something you have to analyze it, and if you have to analyze it, you are permitted to scan and analyze it. That’s a general point of attraction, I think. They are just extrapolating what led them to current success.
Also in some sense popular things were toys or promises of future for businesses and individuals alike, in the last 10-15 years. The audience is getting tired of toys and promises, while these companies don’t know how to make something else.
So let Tim Apple care about anything from AR in front of him to apples in his augmented rear, he surely knows what he wants. As another commenter says, a source of instructions and hints for a human walking drone is one, with visualization. I’m not sure that’s good, because if you can get that information for the machine, having a human there seems unnecessary. And if that information is not reliable enough, then it may not improve human’s productivity and error rate.
And the most important part is that humans learn by things being hard to do, it’s like working out in an exoskeleton, what’s the purpose? And if training and work are separated here, then it seems more effort is spent in total. Not sure.
DrFistington@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It’s for real time facial recognition for LEO so they can easily identify and round up immigrants and dissidents. They want the government contracts
LiPoly@lemmynsfw.com 14 hours ago
In theory, there’s a Million awesome business applications for it.
Let’s say you’re in construction and your glasses tell you exactly what to build where and how.
You’re a waiter and the glasses tell you which table ordered what, needs attention, etc.
You’re a network engineer and the glasses show you on every port which device is connected.
And don’t even get me started on the military applications.
Of course we’re not there yet. But that’s why they’re so obsessed with it. They want to be the first.
CandleTiger@programming.dev 5 minutes ago
How does the construction app know what needs to be constructed and how?
How does the waiter app know which table ordered what, needs attention, etc?
How does the IT app know on which port every device is connected?
These things are all real hard to know. Having glasses that display the knowledge could be really nice but for all these magic future apps, having a display is only part of the need.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
In the current US political climate, giving everyone glasses with always-on cameras run by big tech companies seems particularly dangerous.
LiPoly@lemmynsfw.com 13 hours ago
I agree. But unfortunately, nobody gives a flying fuck.
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
I think for the most part society has gotten used to being on someone’s camera when in public at pretty much all times.
It’s something I used to think about, now I just, don’t.
Everyone has been looking for the next big hardware thing. It looked like it might be foldable phones for a little while but I reckon AR Glasses are the ultimate endgame until they start making bio implants.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
They’ve gotten used to it in different political circumstances. But as people start to see how an authoritarian and vindictive fascist government works with surveillance tech to invade and endanger people’s lives, attitudes to things like always-on cameras may start to shift.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
If it helps, they don’t have the battery life to be constantly recording or sending that much traffic. And that stuff can’t be invisible, us nerds can see it all. That’s one of the things dystopian sci-fi dramas have to gloss over, it all still runs on the properties of physics, sending a wireless message, even if the contents themselves are encrypted, we can still figure out where it is going and how much data it is by reading the wave. No way to block that from being possible.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Sounds like a robot would just steal your job if that was implemented well.
MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Even lightweight glasses can be irritating and the extra weight from steel v plastic is noticeable. There will never be ar glasses or goggles that are comfortable to wear all the time.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
All of this can be done with AR on a mobile phone.
Only when you need to do this AND have both hands free do AR glasses become necessary. So surgery, bomb refusal or something niche like thar.
LiPoly@lemmynsfw.com 5 hours ago
This might be the dumbest take I’ve heard today.
Everything your smartphone does your laptop can do, too. Therefore, smartphones are useless!!
Everything AR can do that your smartphone can do today will be a hundred times more convenient because you don’t have to carry a slab of glass with you all the time. You just have to wear glasses. Like I already do anyway.
The only reason for smartphones to still exist in a world where AR is compact will be if we can’t figure out a way to efficiently input data without annoying everyone around us. As soon as that problem’s solved, nobody will be using smartphones anymore.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I need a good reason to spend $2000 to do something I can already do with a $100 phone. Using 2 hands is very niche.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 13 hours ago
Imagine being anyone anywhere whipped like an Amazon worker. Will the waitress have to piss in bottles? Bad for tips I think.
AA5B@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
This could also be the breakout app for AI. While AR glasses obviously need shape recognition and manipulation, the real world has many many more things than likely to be codified. How do you deal with that? AI. How do you do arbitrary summaries of whatever you’re looking at? AI. How do you interact with the glasses and the real world? Speech recognition and AI.
You heard it here first, folks. Two hot new technologies with no real use yet will find each other and turn into something useful
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I mean, technically, we heard it first at the demonstrations of these glasses, where that is exactly the main use of them demonstrated. But they also do smartphone stuff. Like project directions when looking straight ahead, and a map when glancing downwards. Or translate stuff you are looking at.
But yeah, even “indoor” VR headsets have an AI assistant on them now that can help with context aware intelligence. Like “What is this thing I’m looking at?” And it can be used in both the real world and the virtual world. Like, “Is this everything I need to bake a cake?” or “how do I kill this boss?” See, real world and virtual world… lol. Or like, “Can you give me a hint on this puzzle? Not too big of a hint though.”.
I just personally don’t like asking questions out loud.
Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Unifi equipment already can sorta do this! The little dot pattern on the screen is an AR code and you can use the app to see this. It’s pretty cool actually. I’ve never actually used it for real work though, I just look at the dashboard on my laptop and find the port that way.
LiPoly@lemmynsfw.com 7 hours ago
Yep, that’s why I was thinking of that example 😄