Submitted 7 months ago by Dragxito@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-options-eu-regulators-reject-155411562.html?guccounter=1
What’s really unhinged is the amount of resources invested into gaslighting Meta does. about.fb.com/news/2024/01/investing-in-privacy/
They even have a “Chief Privacy Officer”. They have brainwashed entire departments into believing that Meta actually cares about privacy, it’s so terrifying. I wonder if people working there realize that, or they have simply fell for the gaslighting.
Prior to joining Meta, she was a partner working on technology issues and co-chair of Covington & Burling’s global data practice. Erin collaborates with policymakers and experts on Meta’s products and features and is deeply involved in legislative and regulatory efforts around data protection, data portability, advertising, and Al.
E.g. ex, lawyer working for a firm that ensured companies could sell and use as much data as possible and defended them if they got sued or fined. Now in charge of “Privacy,” e.g. making sure Meta can sell and use as much private data as possible. It’s literal doublespeak
Yeah, when I saw “Chief Privacy Officer”, my first thought was “Ministry of Truth”, “Ministry of Peace”, etc.
It’s just a Privacy Marketplace Officer
McDonalds sells salads too
They probably don’t care as long as they get paid so they can live and survive in this boring dystopia
yeah that wasn’t an excuse then, isnt an excuse now.
I wonder if people working there realize that, or they have simply fell for the gaslighting.
Or they’re just like everyone else and are desperate for money to live so they sell their souls.
The more college debt a person has, the more malleable they are.
I wouldn’t doubt that the CPO is trying their hardest to convince people to care but people just dont
Yeah that’s often the problem. They hire people who care and are good at the stuff so they can point to them and say “we really do care as a company” and then they aren’t given the leverage they need inside the company to implement real changes
Doesn’t CPO means Chef of marketing and communication, does it?
Sounds to me that Meta defines privacy in a very particular way. You’re still going to give all of your data to Meta, but anything other than this transaction is in the realm of privacy where you can have rights and settings.
Please pull out of EU, it will be so much easier to convince more of my family to use signal.
They keep throwing around threats of leaving.
Do it… do it you absolute chickens.
They won’t but, that also means that Facebook have to comply, which is nice at least
Even if they comply, I’d rather not have to use WhatsApp
Leaving the EU could be an option.
Meta seemed to think that was a threat that would get the EU to cave to their demands and the regulators’ response was basically
Chad EU vs virgin meta
To be fair, tech companies can do whatever they want in the EU, No party would ever want to be responsible for WhatsApp, Windows, or ChatGPT not being available anymore.
Following the laws another.
lol tell us another one
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
Wouldn’t that be a treat!
Dreams are free and can’t be tracked.
Say one decides to pay…what guarantees do I get?
Trust me bro
False advertising laws?
Good luck proving that your data came from meta sources after you paid.
This is great!
I wonder how many € I can rent an EU citizenship for ;-)
It’s not about EU citizenship but if you are actually living in the EU.
My VPN says I do
You guys might have a point… I was thinking they would impose some kind of draconian verification as the next impediment to compliance.
Also kinda thinking about those weird “travel agencies” that let you rent a return flight so you can get your visa approved.
But if it really is anyone on EU soil they truly may be out of options.
Good news, that’s one point where the EU takes good decisions. Sadly, fight against privacy in terms of anti money laundering rules and similar
Is cutting his hair an option? If he needs, I have a device that uses gravity to chop things…
Max Schrems, the Austrian activist lawyer whose 13-year legal crusade against Meta is what gradually removed those options
I wonder, does anyone know how would one go about acomplishing something like this? One of major websites here in Czech, and a major search engine, has started doing exactly the same thing - pay or agree. And I really don’t like that. Are there organizations you can contact, or do you have to have the resources to just sue them?
You should search for something like “data protection office” in Czech language, they likely have tips on how to lodge a complaint.
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If there is still one option, is not it still an option? It is out of choices, but not out of options, right?
Bob, Stephanie, and Amir go to get ice cream. Their options are chocolate and vanilla. Bob orders chocolate, and gets the last of the chocolate. Stephanie can only order vanilla, and gets the last of the vanilla ice cream. Amir gets no ice cream, because he is fasting for Ramadan.
Who had options?
Who had options? Show your work for full credit.
Well Amir had a fully diversified portfolio while Stephanie had a 401(k) and Roth IRA with some penny stocks for fun, but Bob mortgaged his house to buy the latest crypto because he was assured it was only going up and he was getting in on the ground floor and this wasn’t like the other 67 times he bought crypto and… Oh.
Stephanie had open option left, no choice. Amir had no options of ice cream.
Now there’s the clarification everyone needs.
If there is still one option, is not it still an option? It is out of choices, but not out of options, right?
That’s a little bit like saying “Only your head stays here, all the rest is totally free to stay or go or whatever you like”
It is a fair option that I would never choose. Does not mean that nobody else do the same, or force me to accept the option.
It looks like Meta’s strategy of charging European Facebook and Instagram users, for the privilege of not being tracked for ad-targeting purposes, ain’t gonna fly.
I’m in the US and don’t care about Facebook and Instagram, but if I could pay a privacy fee to Alphabet and not be logged and data-mined, I’d do that.
Fuck that and fuck them.
And who cares about people like me who can’t afford to shell out $50 each month to not be tracked by various services, right?
The service isn’t going to be provided for free – it’s a business, not a charity. One way or another, it gets paid for. You have two options:
Pay with your data. That’s what happens today.
Pay with money. This would be an option to the above.
Personally, while I don’t use or care about Facebook, I’d like to have the option to pay with money rather than data for services that I do use.
Well yeah but you guys are already used to paying data collection agencies for protection just so you can have some basic quality of privacy (like not getting sales calls or having your identity stolen).
I imagine that paying a tech giant for it is just the logical next step.
If Apple came out with a paid service that said “I’ll make sure those other companies don’t have your data” it would sell like hotcakes and nobody would think twice about the irony.
I mean, it’s a service. You can pay for it with your money, or pay with your data. I’d prefer the former, myself. But either way, it’s not going to be free.
It’s not about privacy if you’re paying. Privacy can’t be negotiated. This is a hard fact. It’s privacy or nothing.
You are being blackmailed. This is no different than having the boys show up at your front door demanding protection money. Pay us and nobody (read: us) will break your legs. Pay us and nobody will steal your data.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Very true, and hopefully many other verdicts will follow, like "It’s not real consent if…this or that.
This dark pattern has started to spread everywhere already.
Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 7 months ago
It’s not consent if there are fifty pages of legalese to read before you press accept.
disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m a big fan of TOSDR and recommend everyone check it out. It’s a site dedicated to translating TOS and EULA into English by attorneys working pro-bono. It’s amazing what you’ll find in some of those agreements.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I can hear PayPal giggling
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 6 months ago
There’s a core tenet in EU consumer protection law that if clauses aren’t clear enough to understand by laymen, they can be challenged.
Piece_Maker@feddit.uk 6 months ago
Curious how they expect this to work for people who aren’t even “paying” [with money or data] Meta users. Those people who never signed up for any of their services yet are still being tracked across websites via those social sharing buttons and the like. Are they supposed to pay Meta to not hoard their data from all the other websites, despite never setting foot on a Meta site?
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It is plain illegal what META is doing there. They just haven’t been dragged to court so far.
But with these buttons, the websites which includes them are offenders, too.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 6 months ago
see I’d generally pay for privacy stuff
but I would need to pay. and theres no private way to do that.
NegativeInf@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“Nice data you got there. Be a shame if someone sold that for a premium”
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I wish they’d do that in the US for the stupid TOS nonsense they pull. I’m guessing a lot of it wouldn’t hold up in court, but it’s unlikely to get challenged because an individual just doesn’t have the resources to do so, so it chills people into going along with it.
For example:
A lot of this is hidden behind dozens of pages of TOS that pretty much nobody reads. A general, “massive TOS isn’t real consent” law could do wonders to improve consumer protections. Specifically, this is what I’d like to see:
Or something along those lines. Consumer protections suck here, and I think this could solve a lot of the problems. Airing dirty laundry can solve a lot of problems.
upandatom@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some good ideas here. Probably go with a word limit in your last bullet instead of the 5 minutes