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Microsoft won't update your Windows 11 PC if it has these apps
Submitted 7 months ago by otter@lemmy.ca to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.xda-developers.com/microsoft-wont-update-windows-11-these-apps/
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otter@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They won’t give you updates if you have radeon software or intel config tool?
TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 months ago
The article says it’s only a specific Win7 version of VLC that’s blocked, so maybe that’s the case with these also.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Will it stop asking me to upgrade every month if I have one of these installed? I might need to get one just for that.
stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Hmm, interesting, do these all have explorer integrations? I know even a couple year’s old SolidWorks PDM does not work with Windows 11 because of the way it integrates with Windows explorer. a couple of the other apps there modify/integrate into explorer as well.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter
Wow, how did they break that?
HelloHotel@lemmy.world 7 months ago
This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We’re not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps.
That’s mildly distopian.
This prevents your car from shutting itself off when trying visit certain areas on the map. We’re not sure if car manufacturers have fixed this trick, but it’s worth a shot if you want to keep going to your favorite places.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
This is what ive been saying about windows vs Linux for years.
Windows is PvP, and this shit is getting Korean.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Hangul characters in chat
You’re afraid of Korean speakers?
KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Wouldn’t it be nice if you could just keep using Windows 10 forever, and get security updates for free?
EarMaster@lemmy.world 7 months ago
For reference: Debian 6 which was the current release of Debian at the time Windows 10 was released hasn’t received official security patches 2016, CentOS 6.6 stopped receiving them 2022. Mac OS X Yosemite latest update was released 2017…
Krzd@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yeah and? Debian is free, you can just upgrade to the newer version without paying a thing.
cilmor@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Windows 10 was released on July 29, 2015, Debian 8 was released on 26 April 2015, 3 months earlier. And you are comparing it with Debian 6, released 4 years earlier? Debian 8 extended long term support reaches end-of-life 30 June 2025.
Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
windows 10 was meant to be the last version of windows, its a bit disingenuous to compare the two that way
ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 7 months ago
It’s comparing apples to oranges, that said, the current version of Debian is much closer to the UX of Debian 6 than windows 11 is to windows 10
If the point of windows is you’re paying for an operating system and should then have better support than a free alternative, they should be able to push security updates, especially if they’re already committed to ensuring old windows app can still run inside new windows
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
the cool thing about debian though, you can just reinstall that shit. Or if you like flying close to the sun. Just change your apt sources. And hope nothing explodes.
stoly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
7 was better lol
Australis13@fedia.io 7 months ago
I was already dubious about upgrading from 10 to 11 and this is final straw. I will have to look at Linux options and see if my Windows-only programs will run effectively under WINE.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Check out alternativeto.net
Australis13@fedia.io 7 months ago
Thanks, will do!
whostosay@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m fucking out. I do a lot of basic IT work, including many fresh installs and new domain users, and I am so godamn sick of having to go through 5 dialogues every single time I open edge. For the local account. Then the domain admin account. Then the domain user account. Fuck this company.
As soon as I can afford to get an AMD GPU or do a swap with someone for my 1070, I’m gone. I used to love computers, but dealing with windows even on a home PC with no “problems”, it just feels like more work.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 7 months ago
You can do it with an Nvidia GPU too, you don’t have to switch cards. I’m not sure where this idea comes from, that Nvidia doesn’t work on Linux, 50-60% of users are on Nvidia according to Steam.
melpomenesclevage@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Pop!OS has pretty good nvidia support. Try a dual boot.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
oh for what it’s worth. I’ve been using my 1070 under arch with nvidia drivers for years now. It’s problematic sometimes, and configuration is a mess. But it generally works perfectly fine.
It’ll work more than well enough just to test the waters in linux though.
sxt@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Worth considering holding onto the Nvidia card to do a vfio windows VM as a fallback for stuff that doesn’t run well through wine/proton. It wasn’t too hard to setup and its nice to just toss all the games with kernel anticheat/adobe shit into.
elshandra@lemmy.world 7 months ago
If they’re games, protondb (.com) will tell you how well you can expect them to run. Other stuff, it’s often a case of search the web or try and see. Wine takes some getting used to, you’ll probably have to get your hands dirty and do a little learning.
Australis13@fedia.io 7 months ago
Good to know. I don't play many games, but do have some older ones from GoG that would be nice to keep.
shalva97@lemmy.world 7 months ago
In the article all apps mentioned are very old versions. How exactly this was a final straw for you?
banana_head@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because clickbait headlines are surprisingly effective.
disposabletentacle@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because they shouldn’t be doing this at all. The versions of the apps in question, and even which specific apps, are complete irrelevant.
Australis13@fedia.io 7 months ago
Because I haven't yet updated from Windows 10 to 11 and had been putting it off. In the past week, though, I have seen a number of news articles highlighting issues I am going to have with Windows 11 and this particular article, indicating that they have been effectively leaving systems vulnerable simply because they have applications they don't like installed is just not good enough. I'd understand it if they were saying "we can't guarantee your OS stability with these apps" or "we can't guarantee these apps will work anymore" if they were removing older API support, but this is ridiculous.
sab@kbin.social 7 months ago
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
you should also have a look at alternatives as well.
Especially if you do any kind of productivity work. Like video editing or photo editing. Photoshop and premiere are just absolute garbage, even if it requires you relearning an interface, not being pestered with creative cloud is a massive advantage.
Oh and not having to pay for colors. That one is also pretty funny.
Australis13@fedia.io 7 months ago
Turns out one of the video-editing programs I use (VideoRedo) has shut down anyway (I think the owner passed away) and so I'll need to look for an alternative anyway - I don't think I can activate it on new machines anymore.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wow, imagine using a corporate owned operating system.
Laughs in Ubuntu
samus12345@lemmy.world 7 months ago
lnxtx@feddit.nl 7 months ago
You misspelled Arch.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You misspelled SteamOS
ReveredOxygen@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
laughs in another corporate OS?
FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You misspelled Fedora
gingernate@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Wait… canonical?
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Best Canon event ever. Using Ubuntu to escape macroshit’s garbage
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
Glad they have time to call out everyone else’s problems, yet Microsoft still can’t fix their broken jan win 10 update.
AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Is that the one where MS updated the recovery partition by including a file that’s too big for that default partition? I had to manually resize my recovery partition to fix that issue
T156@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes. Normally, the OS “fixes” this by making a second, bigger recovery partition, but that only works if you have the space for.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 months ago
don’t worry, microsoft never figured out how to write bootloader installation software.
It can not only, install itself onto a slower, hdd, but also completely wipe any additional drives you have hooked up at the time of installation.
The fact that this STILL isn’t fixed is baffling to me.
exu@feditown.com 7 months ago
Is this still an issue with UEFI nowadays? The other bootloader should still be selectable in the bootmenu if it wasn’t overwritten.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Install Linux and be done with this nonsense
mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Imagine not being able to upgrade your Linux because you have modified YOUR system to suit YOUR needs. Fuck them…
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I mean, if you’ve done something affecting upgrade paths - possible.
Also I broke a FreeBSD ufs partition once while upgrading OpenBSD. I thought I’m very smart having that added into disklabel, and it would successfully mount read-only. Well, there were some actions to upgrade OpenBSD’s own ufs partitions, so - I don’t really remember whether I could restore any data, TBF. I think I could still mount that read-only from OpenBSD, but not from FreeBSD.
But that’s about things being really broken.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I broke Arch when they switched to Systemd (the process that launches all other processes), and that’s because I was an idiot and partially applied the fixes without rebooting, so things got borked. I could’ve fixed it, but reinstalling was faster (like 30 min, and I kept my files; fixing could’ve taken a couple hours).
Other than that, I’ve had a couple drivers get misconfigured or something when upgrading Ubuntu or Fedora (I’ve had wifi and sound fixes not apply to an upgraded version), but I’ve never had an upgrade actually fail, and fixing it usually only took an hour or so to find someone online who has already provided the config options needed.
So yeah, I’ve had nothing like this on Linux in the 15 or so years I’ve used it, everything so far has been fixable with relatively minimal effort. Then again, I don’t use any fancy licensed software, so I haven’t needed to pull an old version of something along across multiple releases (almost got a Scrivener license, which no longer supports Linux).
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Why?
tal@lemmy.today 7 months ago
I assume because they break if the OS is updated.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 7 months ago
That’s what I assumed but why would an is update break WO many things are they deprecating parts of the windows kernel?
j4k3@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
[deleted]rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
That kind of attack is not possible with a signed kernel module/driver.
How is using a compromised userspace library not possible with a signed kernel module?
That aside, if the events would unfold similarly, the software requiring to be signed would be, in fact, signed.
An awfully stupid comment TBF. As if you desperately tried to defend MS.
cookie_sabotage@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I feel bad for Windows users, they just can’t catch a break can they?
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 months ago
What apps and links?
NixDev@programming.dev 7 months ago
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM) EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application) ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2 iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2 RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2 StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2 Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft) MergeSdb (Microsoft) Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel) Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys) Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
helpImTrappedOnline@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Huh, I didnt expect to see Intel or Realtek stuff in there.
The iCloud one is funny and oddly specific. Its like a “fuck you for using both Apple and Facebook crap”
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Excuse me what
db2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It looks like they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow, and Microsoft won’t work around it. If it’s because they’d have to make special cases just for one app I get it, but it doesn’t seem like that’s what’s happening.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world 7 months ago
they break Microsoft’s update mechanism somehow
Microsoft’s update mechanism breaks Microsoft’s update mechanism.
ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Hmm… I’ll have to look for these applications. Some of them seem ubiquitous.
superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
Large companies do not shy away from making workaround for specific apps. Every large platform that I know of has some form of app specific workarounds to fix problems with popular apps. Graphics drivers, browsers, iOS, Android. I haven’t heard any stories about windows but given their commitment to backwards compatibility, they must have
Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Havent updated my v10 for 3+ years and dont plan to
TommySoda@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well, I have two of those. I guess I’ll just go fuck myself than, huh?
Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
DeskModder noted that it wasn’t as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it’s specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC.
Sounds like Windows has a problem with really old versions only. I guess you should be fine as long as you keep your apps relatively fresh.
shalva97@lemmy.world 7 months ago
People don’t read articles and you are asking them to keep their apps fresh? Just let them fuck themselves
MonkderDritte@feddit.de 7 months ago
TWeaK@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Can’t you disable SmartSense or whatever bullshit there is that scans
appsprograms when they’re installed?Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Probably but they certainly don’t want you to know that and almost certainly will say that you can’t.
FaizalR@kbin.social 7 months ago
I do have 3 of it 😁
JakenVeina@lemm.ee 7 months ago
So, wait, Mocrosoft is finally goving us a way to fully-disable automatic Windows Updates?
/s
brakebreaker101@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That’s how I read it!
rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Do you speak Russian? Cause the first part sounds like “wet” with o and the second as if related to sticking something somewhere.