Microsoft, doing it’s part to make the world a better place.
just use linux instead.
why are people allergic to windows?
Microsoft's draconian Windows 11 restrictions will send an estimated 240 million PCs to the landfill when Windows 10 hits end of life in 2025
Submitted 8 months ago by catch22@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Soggy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Gaming is the primary driver behind my PC choices by a humongous margin. I’m not really concerned about imvasive anti-cheat software, I don’t want to tinker with settings, I want to turn on my computer and play video games. That means I use Windows.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
As someone who just installed Linux Mint as a test and uses their machine mostly for gaming:
Linux is perfectly fine for that, too. I had one minor issue that was fixed by plugging a cord into a different plug on my machine and have otherwise had 0 issues getting things to run on the Linux partition of my system.
I actually have seen mostly better performance in the realm of about 10fps better per game than the Win 10 install on the same hardware
Spent less time tinkering with the settings (done via GUI that makes more sense than windoes’ 15 different settings menus) than I never have in any version of Windows, synched my firefox over, boom.
Not gonna say Linux is perfect for everything but it does seem a lot of people think it’s harder/worse than it is by a mile
Trollception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That doesn’t compute here. Like I have literally 0 problems with Windows. That’s certainly not been my experience with Linux. Oh bought a new drawing tablet, nah that won’t work. Oh need to update for firmware on a device, yeah better have windows. Oh you bought a recent printer, better not use Linux.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
This right here. Lutris, proton, WINE, proton-QT, winetricks… Just so much shit.
I’m really trying to learn it but…it’s a bit much
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
If you don’t play any blacklisted games (read actively blocked by the developer on linux, go figure), you can expect higher performance a lot of the time.
Jas91a@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Same I dual boot, Linux for most things windows for games and a few other things which I find easier on windows.
SupraMario@lemmy.world 8 months ago
People don’t seem to like this answer but it’s really the only legit one for most home users.
Companies don’t switch because enterprises like support contracts…
glitch1985@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t think allergic is the word you were looking for.
pascal@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I get the joke, but lots of people, me included, start to understand why people pay so much for a Mac. It’s not the hardware, it’s not having to deal with Windows.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Not a joke. Linux is genuinely better in most cases, barring some niche, very specific stuff.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
As an IT person, Macs shouldn’t exist.
They aren’t computers, they are fashion accessories that just happen to compute.
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Hmm, I dunno maybe because of the elitist community, or the massively fractured distro ecosystem where everyone suggests a different entry point with zero meaningful consensus, or the sporadic driver availability that makes using a laptop GPU an exercise in suffering?
Or all of the above? Probably that last one.
I’m an IT professional with 3 decades of experience, including admin work on linux and unix boxes, and I’ve been repeatedly trying to go Linux as my daily driver for 15 years and so far every time I have tried it has stalled out in screaming bloody frustration.
And EVERY time I make a post like this, some yahoo comes along and says something like ‘Well acktshually GPU support is so much better now why don’t you just code your own driver oh you haven’t spent 5 years memorizing these 2000 tech references well I can’t help you if you don’t want to learn’
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Hm, also an IT professional with over 2 decades of experience. Most of your points were true except GPU shit is easy now. I’ve been daily driving arch for the past 9 years, and gaming on it. It’s not perfect but it works well. Even some games work better in it. There are certain software categories that will be problematic, such as CAD, but you can do most anything else easily enough. For 80% of the population that needs it’s for some games and just a web browser it works fucking great. It’s been an awesome web browser OS since forever too. Most people just use what comes with their computer and don’t want to figure out how to install something. Most people are used to a thing and they don’t like change.
Trollception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Uh I don’t have time or wish to subject myself to the frustration that is Linux. I’ve tried it at least 5 times in the past 10 years and strongly prefer Windows.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Nowadays Windows is the frustrating crap, what kind of issue are you having?
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Can I ask what roadblocks you hit?
fakeCheese@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
It’s beating a dead horse, but there are plenty of user-friendly Linux versions out there that will run just fine on most computers that ran Windows.
TwinTusks@bitforged.space 8 months ago
Windows is still a must in my workplace though, some proprietary doesnt have linux version and runs like garbage in wine.
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What about a VM?
Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
This isn’t a problem if you’re still using Windows 7! ;-)
Zink@pawb.social 8 months ago
I don’t think eol is your worst concern on windows 7
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 8 months ago
There are a hell lot of other problems.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m getting super tired of Microsofts OS as a service. There is absolutely no reason to make operating systems obsolete.
DarkThoughts@fedia.io 8 months ago
Remember when MS told you that W10 is the last OS you ever need?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes, I do, they tried so hard to force it on me too. They went so far as to pre-download it onto my computer without my permission, and then got sneaky and tried to call it a “patch”.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is the dumbest response yet. It costs time and money to maintain an OS.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, for all the Spyware and advertising they’ve put into the OS over the years. Requires regular maintenance to change the invasive ads they show you.
femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Fuck microsoft, on the bright side thing of all the cheap 2nd hand hardware
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
This really isn’t anything noteworthy, and the headline would be roughly true each time Windows has had a major OS upgrade/release. Every new Windows release has higher base requirements than the last one.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
The W10 requirements were almost identical to the W7 requirements. There might’ve been some edge cases but in general, anything that ran 7 could run 10.
Liz@midwest.social 8 months ago
It is actually noteworthy because Windows is forcing users to have a particular piece of useless hardware for “security” reasons.
scripthook@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is why I switched over to Mac back in 2022. I knew that I didn’t want to move forward with Windows but had to get a new computer anyways. I already have an iPhone and a Mac Mini M1 was only $700. Thanks Microsoft for forcing a Windows user of 30 years away from your OS.
KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
From the frying pan into the fire.
SharkAttak@kbin.social 8 months ago
"This is fine." intensifies.
Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Mac don’t stop supporting hardware on their prior OS’s?
mihies@kbin.social 8 months ago
Indeed, Intel khm khhhm hhmk
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 8 months ago
You might enjoy Asahi Linux
scripthook@lemmy.world 8 months ago
If I had an android phone I would prob use Linux without a doubt. But having the iPhone and Mac ecosystem integration is important. At least I know Apple will won’t force updates on my computer and makes updates that makes sense. Tired of Microsoft throwing shit at the wall in terms of user experience
hamid@lemmy.world 8 months ago
[deleted]bruhduh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They were data mining on non subscribing customers tho, in age of AI nowadays, data mining on real living people is good business
Takumidesh@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Some very small percentage of people will switch to Linux, the majority of people will just continue to use windows 10.
itsnotits@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Microsoft doing its* part
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Wine + proton/valve has made it very easy to run most anything windows related nowadays. I would expect this to help make Linux gain market share.
I’m still on the fence if gaining market share is a good thing ultimately, but I’m hoping to see it play out.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Yeah Helldivers 2 is mindblowing to me that it runs at all. If this were 2021 the process would be something like:
Download Doitsu-jin’s DXVK from Github…
Download some scripts Joshua Ashton painstakingly created from Github 🐸 to get GameGuard to work…
Get one very specific version of Glorious Eggroll’s Wine “fork” with patches.
Try 5 different launch options and cross fingers.
Every update would need to get a new version of the script fork or introduce a new workaround. Those that use Lutris would hopefully have their scripts updated within 2 days if lucky.
Fast forward to now: Click Play and everything is set up. Hot damn.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve thrown older games at proton and wine and have made them work. Meantime the same game will work on Windows 10 with heavy modifications and does not work in 11.
Also at work, we are dealing with a legacy app that runs… everything? Or at least just about. It works in Windows 10 but has some bugs in 11. I’m tempted to see if wine can fix the issue lol.
Darkayne@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I wonder how long it will be until Windows is a subscription based desktop?
KISSmyOS@feddit.de 8 months ago
It already is, but it isn’t mandatory, yet.
RealFknNito@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Go ahead. Drop support for Windows 10. I stopped your mandatory updates months ago.
You cannot hurt me any longer.
BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I still have a box running 7. People around here act like it’s the end of the world.
“Oh no, security, updates, blah blah!”
I’ve had 1000x more problems cause by updates than being hacked. And I’ve been using this stuff since DOS 4.x, Windows 1.0, etc.
BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I know people tire of the “just use Linux” suggestion, but c’mon man…
You’re using a 15 year old OS that reached EoL over 4 years ago because the company that made it completely enshittified the next 3 major releases of the OS (and counting). You know Microsoft isn’t going to reverse course and make a good OS again. You’re just creating an even worse problem for yourself by running outdated, insecure code while the rest of the world moves forward.
Installing and learning how to use Linux is arguably the saner option, but if that’s not something you’re willing to face, at least plan on buying a Mac as your next computer instead of permanently committing yourself to deprecated software, or forcing yourself to accept enshittification because that’s the only upgrade path you’re familar with…
BaardFigur@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The problem is dropping of software support
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Let’s not mention the extended update service that people can buy for three years and that will make the oldest incompatible CPU 10 years old at that point…
Or the fact that people don’t even realize it care that they don’t get updates anymore…
Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Let’s not mention the extended update service that people can buy for three years and that will make the oldest incompatible CPU 10 years old at that point…
What a weird way to say that the OS they bought will stop being supported on their 7 year old CPU unless they pay a subscription.
On a bit more serious way, it’s a bit of a slap in the face that, you could buy W10, in theory as a single payment, with no announced EOL, and now they say that even though they are going to keep working on security updates, you have to pay extra for it.
I would have respected more of there was no extended period. This way they are encouraged to have higher W11 requirements, so that they can earn more with OEM licenses and subscriptions. And given the nature of the OS and telemetry, they are extremely informed about the install base, so it is a very calculated decision.
lud@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Don’t worry, not a single consumer will buy extended support. They won’t even install crucial security updates to their computer without being forced to by Microsoft.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Name a single version of Windows that hasn’t stopped being supported at some point.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I feel like MS could avoid everyone’s gripes by simply not charging for their security update program. 7 to 13+ years is going to more than cover when most people would’ve upgraded anyway.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s not how software works. Maintaining an OS until the end of time is a real problem.
Should they be maintaining the beloved windows xp still?
douglasg14b@lemmy.world 8 months ago
For real. I would expect this separate to have a marginally better understanding of software development than your average Joe but I’ve been quite disappointed in this thread.
Maintaining software is extremely expensive when it’s as expansive as this. We’re talking hundreds of millions per month for something like Windows just in salaries. Long term support has to be financed, that’s the dirty reality, people have to be paid to do the work.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Agreed. I’m just looking at the machines that were purchased at the launch of Win 11, but might not have had the proper hardware to transition off 10. I would assume that computers on a that cusp will mostly support 11, but if the extended updates were free, it would ensure those machines would have had 7 years of security updates - which seems like a reasonable lifespan for a computer these days.
Making those updates free would also mean computers that were 13+ years old were also getting security updates, so maybe my recommendation is overkill.
At some point you just need to move on and stop taking customer service calls from people with old hardware.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The whole point of charging for it is to incentivise people to install Win11, imo. They want to avoid what happened with XP/7, where people clung to it for years.
“Windows 10 is unsupported and you will probably get scary viruses, but don’t worry, you can pay our security subscription or you can download Windows 11 for FREE right now!”
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
Basically, yeah. I know they got caught with their pants down in regards to windows 7 and its extended updates, but considering everything about the Windows 11 cutoff is totally arbitrary, it feels pretty shitty to also have to pay for upgrades after being arbitrarily fucked out of using the next operating system.
littletranspunk@lemmus.org 8 months ago
Gotta get my finances in order by then so I can buy all the “obsolete” computers I want
nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
By looking at data from statcounter, both windows 7 and xp had dropped support when they were at around 3% and 0,5% of global usage, respectively. This time, Microsoft plans to drop support for windows 10 next year, but it’s still on 67% of usage. Either I’m missing something here, or they’re going a very weird route…
clot27@lemm.ee 8 months ago
they dont care about windows that much anymore, just ai propoganda left and right
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
FWIW W10 Enterprise LTSC is good until 2032
mechoman444@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes. But to be fair they would have ended up there anyway.
Demuniac@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d guess that’s sooner than needed and that means more waste
mods_are_assholes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t know if you noticed but a major part of our capitalistic hellhole is forced obsolescence.
To us more waste means the planet dies quicker, to the execs, more waste means more churnover profit.
And guess who makes the rules for corporate behavior? Not us for certain.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’ve got a computer with a copy of XP on it that still runs. Not connected to the Internet anymore, but it still functions as a computer otherwise.
Specal@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m not defending Microsoft here but, the problem in this case isn’t Microsoft, there’s no reason a person can’t educate themselves enough to move away from Windows. If you have access to a PC, you more than likely have access to the internet and there’s no shortage of information online.
Yes what Microsoft is doing is negligent. But the consumer can’t be completely blameless.
androogee@midwest.social 8 months ago
I’m not defending Microsoft here but, the problem in this case isn’t Microsoft
#🤔
Specal@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Good catch, but you know very well I meant that whilst what they’re doing is immoral, it’s not their fault that people refuse to educate themselves and move away from companies that produce products that “make their hardware unusable”. It’s not unusable, throwing it away is on the consumer.
Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m not defending rapists but there’s no reason women can’t educate themselves on how to make it so they’re less likely to be raped.
Yes what rapists are doing is bad. But the person being raped can’t be completely blameless.
puppy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I am not defending scammers but grandma and grandpa do have access to the internet. There are tons of resources to educate yourself on how avoid being scammed. Grandma and grandpa are not blameless.
Allero@lemmy.today 8 months ago
While it is true all information is available, it is not feasible for a person to educate themselves on all aspects of life to the point that would, in case of OSes, render them able to operate Linux without any issues.
We know the value of this knowledge, and we focused on that front. Someone else is great at stitching and can create great sustainable clothes, avoiding the trap modern industry gets us into. Someone else is a hacky mechanic, and can fix even modern cars themselves, and knows which ones to avoid etc. etc.
Are we to blame for not knowing everything?
We have to come from the current situation, and, as things stand, most people are not aware of Linux as real desktop alternative and not just some “hacky server thingy”. Heck, for many Windows is the way PC’s work, a weird magical word to describe whatever computer software they see. That’s just the mainstream narrative, one we heavily rely on in other ways.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My father in law has Windows 7 machines that he uses for scientific work that he refuses to update. His solution is to prevent them from connecting to the internet. Unfortunately not willing to try modern Linux.
Trollception@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The system requirements are like any system from the last 6 years. Are people really using computers this old? I hear a bunch of people commenting about businesses but at least at the companies I worked at we never had machines older than 4 years old. Seems kind of overblown.
Oh yea and bring on the down votes. I understand this is Lemmy and anything that challenges the hatred of Windows is met with extreme disagreement.
MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
My PC isn’t Windows 11 ready. That’s why I bought a raspberry pi, and am running android now. If I feel like resurrecting the old machine, I’ll run LMDE or something.
So far, I haven’t detected any negative consequences.
AA5B@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This seems like a non-event. I believe the only real difference is a TPM, but it looks like Microsoft has been requiring that since 2016. So by Windows 10 EOL, PCs without that will be 9 years old. Sure, they still have some use as Linux servers, like a Raspberry Pi does, but come on: 9 years?
since July 2016 Microsoft has actually required TPM 2.0 support on all new PCs that run any version of Windows 10 for desktop (Home, Pro, Enterprise, or Education)
krigo666@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ah, the WIntel cartel is at it again. Planned obsolescence.
just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Good thing there a myriad of other Linux distros that run everything 90% of home users need.
Kcap@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Note to self: sell laptop on Facebook marketplace in September 2025
terry_tibbs@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
At least it’ll do wonders for the used market, hopefully.
raynethackery@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Realistically, how many consumers still use PCs? All my friends and coworkers seem to use their phones and tablets for everything now. They all still have laptops but they hardly ever use them. I got by for about a month after I moved by just using my phone.
BobGnarley@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Remind me again about how awful it is that Bitcoin uses so much energy? Is it because one form of waste makes shit tons of money for shareholders and the other makes money for regular people?
ryehypernova@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Reject Windows, emabrace Linux and FOSS Software