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There is no point in trying to escape the simulation; Odds are, we don't exist outside it!
Submitted 9 months ago by Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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diabolical@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 9 months ago
What if that’s what we’ve already done?
Tropper@lemm.ee 9 months ago
This remind me of a cartoon series that I recently watched called Pantheon, where they upload a humans brain and consciousness into a computer.
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Is it any good?
I’m always on the hunt for new stuff!
AnalogyAddict@lemmy.world 9 months ago
You should read Otherland by Tad Williams if you like that kind of thing.
riot@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This sounds really interesting! Can you post an imdb link? I’m only able to find an American show by that name, and it also has technology themes, so it’s making it hard to find anything else.
noride@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I think that’s pretty much the plot of ‘Devs’?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Isn’t that what they are doing with VR?
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
It’s wise to treat any talk about The Simulation™ like talk of God and the afterlife. An interesting concept, but absolutely unverifiable, and therefore unscientific and of no relevance to your day to day life. Unless you want to believe, but then it’s a religion.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 9 months ago
“If something cannot be settled by experiment or observation, then it is not worthy of debate.”
cynar@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A perfect simulation is inherently unverifiable. A limited scope simulation could be.
E.g. some gravity wave detectors have detected interesting effects, just above the noise floor. They are consistent with the sensitivity approaching plank length limitations. However, it should be FAR above the plank length. Interestingly, if the universe was holographic in nature (a 3D projection of a 2D object). Then the effective plank length would be a lot higher, potentially consistent with what we see. If that were the case, our universe would be a simulation. The question then becomes if it is natural or artificial, and what we can learn about the higher state reality.
Fyi, physics was thought to be a “solved” thing. That was until a young scientist discovered a line didn’t go quite through 0,0 on a graph. It is now known as the photoelectric effect, and it was the crack that led to the discovery of quantum mechanics.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
I actually study physics :D
that’s partly why I care about making the distinction between science and non-science. To be scientific, a theory needs to be, first and foremost, falsifiable. That sounds counterintuitive, but you need to propose experiments that could prove you wrong. And then if they fail, you got a good indication you might be on to something.
A (good enough, as you said) simulation is per definition unfalsifiable. It’s also a wild assumption that “the real world” obeys the same laws of physics ours does, and I consider any statistical argument based on that assumption to be pretty unconvincing.
Ultimately, the simulation theory is a nice thought experiment and a great setpiece for sci-fi, but not much more. It’s kinda similar to the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, actually. Cool to think about, not at all relevant for us.
johnlobo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
well, the afterlife is the real world, and we’re in a sim and we get there by dying. kinda no difference at all.
WinterBear@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If you don’t exist outside the simulation then for all intents and purposes this is your reality. Might as well make it a good one.
Silentiea@lemm.ee 9 months ago
This is the proper response to the various flavors of nihilism. The world is a simulation, or the universe is cold and uncaring and there is no god, or what if you’re just a brain floating in space having a hallucination?
So what?
If the world doesn’t exist, but every test you can perform is consistent with the world existing anyways, then so what? Where do you go from there? You’ll still experience consequences for whatever you do, everyone else will still experience consequences for what you do (as far as you can tell), so… what has the nihilism or the simulation theory changed?
Doesn’t matter what color we paint the backdrop if nothing about the play or the props or the players have changed.
Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 9 months ago
This is basically what many eastern philosophies say. In Budism they fully admitted to the inability to prove the reality of one’s existence. At the same time talking about the importance of engagement with reality.
Basically reality exists because we are here to perceive its existence.
TIMMAY@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The free will and simulation arguments, while certainly fun to think about and possibly valuable to bear in mind, are completely pointless to a certain extent. Even if you confirmed that free will doesnt exist or that we are in a simulation of some fashion, the mere fact that it had to he discovered and was up for debate prior to that means that nothing about your life will change to the slightest.
Anamnesis@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Well, the simulation argument may not make a difference, but the free will one might. If nobody has the free will necessary for moral responsibility, then many of our punishment practices can’t be morally upheld. If nobody deserves punishment, we should only use it as a means of keeping social harmony, and that means we should do it a lot less and a lot differently.
TIMMAY@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Lmao I realized after I posted that that it was gonna open a bit of a philosophical can of worms, and that I would quickly be neck deep. This is a very good point, and I only meant my statement to a certain extent. For the average human’s daily life, finding out that free will doesnt exist (to whichever extent you’d like to take an idea like that) wouldnt suddenly change their daily experience, and they would be able to continue to operate under the assumption that they are making meaningful choices with varied outcomes just like usual. They had this impression before the regelation that free will is not real, so their life experiences would not necessarily change after the fact (obviously it COULD change, but wouldnt as a necessity). As for the more nuanced moral implications of such a discovery/revelation, I shouldnt presume to know how that would impact the world.
Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
That only follows if you believe that free will implies moral responsibility, and that moral responsibility means punishment must occur, and that that means more punishment must occur. Why doesn’t moral responsibility mean less punishment? What about the moral responsibility of those meting out punishment?
And in either case, both concepts are intangible and immeasurable, so using them as justification for something as consequential as imprisonment means something else much more tangible and measurable is being hidden behind those concepts.
I think it’s just the exercise of power. That’s why moral responsibility is only ever used to punish and never to stay punishment, because those wielding the argument aren’t interested in those arguments being used to limit their power, only to exercise it.
The only thing that matters is effectiveness to reduce harm, and that is basically never spoken about by those in favour of incarceration.
sxan@midwest.social 9 months ago
But, why? Even if free will is proven, what value does punishment serve? And if all things are predetermined, then punishment itself is justified by predeterminism.
novibe@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
It makes no sense for it to be a simulation like a computer simulation. It’s a simulation like a dream is a simulation. Everything in the universe you observe is you. Waking up from the dream is realising this, and realising nothing exists, just being.
Icalasari@kbin.social 9 months ago
I think that if life is a simulation, it's tech assisted dreaming, letting one dial in specifics for consistent experiences
DarkMetatron@feddit.de 9 months ago
Welcome to the world and cosmology of The Elder Scrolls Games in general and Morrowind in special.
The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Does that mean that one of us isn’t real?
novibe@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
Like a dream, you are just me. The floor I walk is me. The air I breathe is me. Everyone I meet, everything I feel, is just me. Nothing is real except I.
invertedspear@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I don’t want out, I want access to the console so I can enable cheats.
r00ty@kbin.life 9 months ago
And then the kernel mode anti-cheat will just terminate your process.
dan1101@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Don’t escape, exploit. Hacks, cheat codes.
Froyn@kbin.social 9 months ago
Free Guy. I can dig it.
toofpic@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Universe admin: ha, look, some idiot just fucked up his own account record, how could he even do that?
I’ll wipe him and run consistency tests.DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 9 months ago
Star Ocean: Til the End of Time already disproved your idea
Go play it for 600 hours and come back once you’ve been educated 😤
Sanctus@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Literally one of the best experiences I had on a fucken PS2.
ryan@the.coolest.zone 9 months ago
How long until someone discovers an arbitrary code execution exploit in the simulation?
Atin@lemmy.world 9 months ago
If this is a simulation it’s buggier than a Bethesda new release.
uphillbothways@kbin.social 9 months ago
Bold move assuming we all want to exist.
wal_kr@lemmy.world 9 months ago
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person@lemm.ee 9 months ago
yo why is your phone on 100% that’s weird.
jurgel@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And at 10:00
Artemis_Mystique@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
COINCIDENCE!?