I’m talking in the context of the “capitalist rules”. If you say the aforementioned sentence, you remove the responsibility of the player by dismissing the fact that the winner makes the rules.
PS: Doesn’t work for every context: if the player aims to change the rules because he doesn’t like them, he might see winning as a way to change them. “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” I guess…
zeppo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s the entire point of the phrase, as far as how I’ve always interpreted it: don’t blame people for doing what’s best for them within a system they don’t control.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I can hate both. Morality is not subject to the whims of legislation. If you’re a billionaire, you’ve done something immoral. Playing “within the rules” does not absolve you of all morality.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The reason that doesn’t make sense, is billionaires are the only ones with the power to fix the economic system thru political donations.
The saying isn’t meant for your example, because they’re not just players. Their also the refs and the ones who wrote the rules for the game.
Like:
That makes sense if said between prisoners about how shitty jail is. But if a prison guard beat an inmate and then said that, it doesn’t make sense.
Just because it’s not true 100% of the time for 100% of people doesn’t mean it’s worthless. By that logic no phrase should exist
zeppo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I agree, I’ve said that about this phrase before! I can hate the player too. Not one of my favorite maxims.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Legislation is not the only game being referred to by this saying.
Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 months ago
If a game inevitably leads to billionaires unless you can count on all individuals being moral people, I take the liberty of hating the game that sets things up like that.
Mango@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Clearly these people are unfamiliar with the prisoner’s dilemma.
Jeknilah@monero.town 9 months ago
And what do you know about Nash Equilibriums?
someguy3@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Legality is not the same as moral or ethical. The rules of life, civility, and good society are not preordained. Aka we make our own norms and values.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 9 months ago
No, we don’t make our own norms and values. There’s no reason to believe that is any more flexible than our reliance on iron or potassium to survive.
novibe@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
But also, morality does fuck all to help you survive. Morality is absolutely useless for an individual, much to the contrary.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 9 months ago
The system is large and powerful. However, it’s perpetuated by individuals. Apathy is a lack of empathy…
kjPhfeYsEkWyhoxaxjGgRfnj@lemmy.world 9 months ago
In this particular context regulatory capture is the unseen bullshit of the claim