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Quentin Tarantino's 'Star Trek' Movie Would Have Been a "Balls-Out Hard R" Movie

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  • natecox@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I enjoy the Tarantino films, but I don’t want them anywhere near Star Trek.

    I really dislike what’s happening with ST lately; what was in my childhood a hopeful message for how much humanity could achieve when we finally get our shit together, is now just another action movie / drama template. Government bad, corruption everywhere, war for the sake of war, etc.

    I’m certain Tarantino would double down on that and I just don’t want it.

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    • FuryMaker@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I prefer the positive role models & society present in 90’s trek. You don’t get that much in nutrek.

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    • xilliah@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Have you tried strange new worlds?

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      • Kyre@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also Lower Decks is incredible. A Star Trek show that makes fun of itself and the franchise but is still narratively driven and... entertaining.

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    • Zoboomafoo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You should check out Strange New Worlds then, it’s a return to episodic form

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      • natecox@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I kinda feel like I just don’t have the heart for ST anymore. Picard was the final nail in the coffin, I am all out of trust for the modern generation of writers.

        I’ll just watch TNG through every couple of years and be happy in my bubble.

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    • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You must have hated DS9.

      I see TNG with mostly 2D characters where the Federation and its ideals are the main driving force of the plots. When they deviate from that is when you get bad episodes (cough Sub Rosa cough). The characters had to shed some of their depth and become idealized for message to shine through.

      On DS9, you have a gritty view of a frontier without the influence of the Federation. The evolution of the characters and how they react to the changing reality around them is the center stage, and for that you need 3D, flawed characters to build development arcs upon.

      Then on DSC you have perfect 2D characters in a corrupt world and the show is about Michael Burnham but she’s also perfect and I can’t see what message they’re trying to send.

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      • natecox@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I think DS9 set a precedent that was bad for the franchise, but I don’t hate it; the show felt like it understood its roots. I took DS9 as a way to explore how federation values addressed a galaxy not quite there yet.

        It didn’t diminish the hopeful future by saying that “actually the federation is evil" it just said “listen, we still have work to do”.

        Watching Cisco wrestle internally with reconciling who he knew he was supposed to be while the galaxy tested that was at least interesting on an intellectual level.

        I think that bit of nuance got lost though, so I do kinda wish it had never happened.

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Meh, it is not like a Tarantino Star Trek movie is going to diminish the older series.

      I’d say let him try, and if it turns out bad, throw it on the pile of bad Star Trek movies.

      No real harm done.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It apparently would have been a direct follow-up to “A Piece of the Action”, the gangster planet episode. Which is probably the one Star Trek plot that would make sense for Tarantino.

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So I agree mostly, but classic Trek also had plenty of looking at the present and past showing how bad things were/are/can be. It’s a hopeful message in that we can change and solve problems, but it doesn’t totally ignore issues either.

      I do agree the drama and action is a negative for it though. Some amount of its fine, but ST is about considering our reality through the lense of sci-fi and aliens, not just brainless entertainment. Star Wars already exists in that market. ST needs to do what it does well and not worry about trying to be as big as Star Wars. Endless growth is only going to kill the franchise.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Pure marketing piffle.

    Paramount would never let a Hard R Trek get made. Not only is it the completely wrong tone for Trek (even if you rate the JJ Abrams movies) but it would seriously harm ticket sales as kids and young teens would be prohibited from going to the theater to see it. Imagine Kirk and Spock sitting around, smoking weed, talking about their favorite obscure 2200s films while holding knives to each other’s nutsacks.

    They only started talking about Tarantino directing a Star Trek movie in order to build hype for the new Trek shows that are of dubious quality.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I also don’t think Captain Picard needs to drop the N-word while gazing at alien feet tbh

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  • kill_dash_nine@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    When you came to space dock here, did you notice a sign out in front of my station that said “Dead Romulan Storage”?

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  • NounsAndWords@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Man, now I’ll never find out how many times Samuel L Jackson can be called the n-word on the bridge of the Enterprise…

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  • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand hesitancy for an R-rated Star Trek movie, and I also understand that Tarantino’s style isn’t for everyone, but that said- he always puts a lot of effort in to crafting a good story, and there’s always a ton of attention detail. His movies are never shallow pandering cash grabs like certain other directors who will remain nameless here.

    So while a Tarantino Trek movie sounds very weird on the surface, I think he’s far and away earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to making any movie at this point and I would welcome his perspective.

    Not that it’s ever gonna happen, of course. But if we do ever see a new movie, I would far prefer an auteur over a plug-n-play disneyfied cash grab like we see with the MCU, Star Wars, and basically any other pop culture franchise.

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    • Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If he really wanted to do it he could do a sci-fi movie without it being attached to Trek and it would still make a billion dollars.

      I like Tarantino movies and I like Star Trek, but they don’t need to mix

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  • NatakuNox@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Don’t you men feet out? Preferably, women’s feet. Covered in oil?

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    • CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Quentin’s pitch: “So there’s an entire species where they’re all feet. And Kirk says the n-word. Like, a lot.”

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  • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I still maintain that a Quentin Tarantino Trek likely would have been the greatest Trek film ever made (not a high bar though). Imagine something like Inglourious Basterds but set during the Cardassian resistance. Come on, that would be the greatest Trek ever made. But the rights holders have always been Trek’s biggest enemy.

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    • KISSmyOS@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No. The story would revolve around an intergalactic war started over a teenage girl’s feet.

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      • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I didn’t say give him full artistic freedom!

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    • Donjuanme@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think it would be, galaxy quest set a pretty damn high bar.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Imagine Inglourious Basterds set during the Cardassian occupation of Bajor

      Damnit Jim, I hate that you said this because I know I’ll never get it!

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  • Ithorian@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I love Tarantino but I would hate to see his star trek. His balls hard R star wars movie on the other hand would be the best film in the series.

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  • Basilisk@mtgzone.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I feel like in the best case it would have been a catastrophe that somehow manages to fall together in a way that actually works, and in the worst case it would have just been bad to the point of being offensively bad, appealing to neither regular filmgoers whole also pissing off established fans.

    … But it also feels like giving a chainsaw to a bear: You know whatever’s gonna happen you’re not gonna like, but also you kinda want to do it just to see what it is.

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    • Donjuanme@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your last analogy made me snort my 3 sleeping partners (human canine and feline) awake.

      Also spot on. But I really don’t want to see it. But I’m sure I’d be entertained by reading about the result.

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  • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Tarantino movies do tend to feature the hard r pretty prominently.

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    • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Romulan?

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      • Plopp@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Jesus, man, Omulan please.

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  • hakunawazo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It would have been like the mirror mirror episode only with more of Uhuras feet.

    Image

    …fandom.com/…/Mirror,_Mirror_(episode)

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  • Vaggumon@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m a big Qentin Tarantino fan, but I never felt he was right for Star Trek. Not his type of movie IMO. But what the fuck do I know.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I just left a comment with more detail elsewhere, but at this point I think he’s earned the benefit of the doubt. Tarantino-Trek sounds like a weird combo, but based on his spotless track record, I would be surprised if he somehow managed made a stinker.

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  • Lucien@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I love Tarantino films; major fan. But I don’t think he’s capable of nuance or subtext, both of which are heavily used in the franchise. I would also abhor a “hard R” Star Trek film. It would be right up there with the Kelvin films. There’s no way in hell the fan base would allow something like that to be canonized. The only alternative 8 could see is if it involved time travel and all of the "hard R"s were from humans from the past.

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    • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Star Trek itself often has nuance that’s about as subtle as being hit in the face with a brick. Need I remind everyone about Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, TOS S3E15.

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    • TonyHawksPoTater@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think when they say "hard R" here, they mean a strong R rating for the film, not the other hard R for which Tarantino is known.

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    • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Counterpoint: with some subject matter, you don’t need nuance or subtext. Hence why IB remains, in my opinion, his greatest work. It’s one of the few subjects where you don’t need nuance so the good technical aspects of his filmmaking doesn’t just wash out in all the blood and gore. All you have to do is cook up a story in the Trek universe where his filmmaking style would be an asset (hint: have the story revolve around killing fascists), don’t give him complete control, and make him work in tandem with Star Trek old hands like Brannon Braga or Jonathan Frakes and I honestly think you’d end up with something good.

      Personally, I think Star Trek is good enough that it deserves more and more interesting film treatments than it’s gotten. Tarantino Trek would upset a lot of people, but if it was good, it could kick open the door to experimenting with all different kinds of styles.

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  • FoundTheVegan@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Either talk about the plot, set a production date or stop writing these nothing articles.

    I mean, no duh Tarantino would do a Trek movie that has lots of blood. To be familiar with his name is to know that's his style. Just tired of years teasing how great something WOULD'VE BEEN but not saying why.

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  • DosDude@retrolemmy.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I like star trek, and I like R-movies. I don’t know if they will mix well.

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    • reddig33@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hopefully better than Discovery gratuitously using the F word.

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      • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It used it once.

        Yall really get butthurt over the weirdest fuckin things.

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  • TIN@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A team of section 31 assassins armed with katanas are beamed aboard the enemy starship with orders to take out the top leadership?

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  • Damage@feddit.it ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So, set on Qo’noS?

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  • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As a longtime Trek fan, I’m certainly in favor of it. There’s plenty of things to work with; things implied but never really shown. Which is why I also liked more recent Trek projects like Strange New Worlds and Picard. They have a bit more grit to them.

    Tarantino’s trek would not have been for everyone… but it certainly would’ve been a massive hit. Even if you hate his other work, you can’t help but be intrigued.

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    • Corgana@startrek.website ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      With Tarantino you’re also guaranteed to have a well-crafted product. It would never be a shallow cash-grab like certain other movies in the franchise.

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  • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, of course it was going to be R-rated, Quent doesn’t exactly make family-friendly pics.

    But also, why is everyone always trying to make Star Trek edgier these days?

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    • FinishingDutch@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Re: edgier Trek:

      For me, I feel like we’ve had so much ‘positive utopia’ Trek, that more of the same just gets a bit boring. There’s also the fact that life today is different compared to when Trek first aired. We’re more aware of some of those sharper edges and want to see them represented in media.

      From a practical standpoint, there’s also ‘we can, so we do’. When Trek aired on regular TV, you couldn’t drop an F-bomb, much less show actual gritty stuff. With streaming, there’s no reason to hold back. Which gives writers more room to explore.

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      • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Pretty much every trek since 9/11 has been edgy.

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      • query@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Lucky they made DS9 before TNG had even finished, then.

        We didn’t really get more of the TNG side of things with the TNG movies. Then they moved on to JJA Star Trek, which wasn’t much of anything, not dark, not utopian, just references.

        While Discovery was in part based around rescuing an ultra-fascist from another universe.

        It took bringing back Picard himself to approach doing what they once did decades ago.

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    • guitarsarereal@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because you can only tell so many stories when literally all of your characters are required to be so narrow and flat it becomes a matter of debate and discussion when they do or say anything that would make them seem like real people.

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      • Stamets@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Exactly. There is painfully little character development done throughout TNG. At the end of the final season the characters are still basically the same person who they were at the start. Picard is a little softer, Data is a little closer to being a person, Worf is still just Worf, Geordi is arguably a creepier person, Riker did not change like at all either. Basically the person with the most character development was Yar who died and then got resurrected through time shenanigans before forced into sexual slavery to a Romulan until she died. That’s not exactly… impressive. I love TNG and I love all the stories and the morals it tells but in todays TV atmosphere it is impossible to properly replicate that. Even SNW keeps a consistent plot throughout all the episodes and limits it to half of what TNG was dropping per year.

        Then you look at Deep Space 9. This show is constantly praised by people left right and center. Why? Character development, a consistent plot, a serialized story and consequences that carry over from episode to episode instead of being immediately forgotten or relegated to a simple reference with a background prop. It is insane to me that so many people hate the newer Trek iterations for being “too dark” and “focusing too much on story” when that’s just Deep Space 9. An incredibly dark show that covers some seriously heavy subject material and has a consistent story that affects everything else around it.

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  • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m guessing it would have really leaned into the colonial pulp fiction aspect of the original series.

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  • Flyberius@hexbear.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    All I know is that I would really have wanted to see it.

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  • skellener@kbin.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d still love to see him make it!

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  • xilliah@beehaw.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Set phasers to fry

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