Lemmy.world Should Defederate with Threads

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

I think it’s pretty safe to say that the majority of us are here to avoid another corporate takeover of our preferred platforms. It would seem to me to be a tad irresponsible to allow Facebook into our space with open arms, allowing them to hoover up our data. I would love to keep using Lemmy.world, but will happily change instances if need be, and I feel many share that sentiment.

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Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Well, right now Meta is pushing, not pulling. Meaning, Threads content can be displayed on Masto, but not the other way around.

IMHO, the bigger threat is having Threads content completely dominate other activity pub clients. Other clients / communities could get dependent on it. The meta is basically a drug dealer with leverage.

Data collection doesn’t bother me too much. I’m not going to install their client and all of the behavior trackers that come with it, and my activity pub content is already freely available to query on the internet. If they want it, they already have access to it. Everyone does.

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- RobotToaster@mander.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Since lemmy can’t pull from mastodon/threads, so it seems like a complete non issue for now.
  
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  - Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Correct. This is an issue for Masto, not Lemmy. It may never be an issue for Lemmy for all we know. Lemmy is focused on following activity pub communities not individual people.
    
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  - infinitepcg@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Interesting. It seems that Lemmy can see Mastodon users and send private messages to them. And I believe Mastodon users can create Lemmy posts, so potentially Threads users could do that too once Meta enables two-way communication.
    
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  - lil@lemy.lol ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Lemmy pull from mastodon if someone from mastodon mentions a user or community of lemmy instance
    
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- webjukebox@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Data collection doesn’t bother me too much. I’m not going to install their client and all of the behavior trackers that come with it, and my activity pub content is already freely available to query on the internet. If they want it, they already have access to it. Everyone does.
  
  I will be able to follow and see friends’ posts and sports teams’ posts through Mastodon without needing a Meta account nor install their shitty apps.
  
  All I posted via fediverse is public already, traveling into some obscure instances, so I don’t care if Meta uses or shares my public posts.
  
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  - Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Honestly I like the ActivityPub idea. If ActivityPub becomes mainstream I am fleeing mainstream social media.
    
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- PoolloverNathan@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)
  
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  - MostlyHarmless@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    This article is so misleading. XMPP died for the same reason all technology dies. No one used it. Even if Google hadn’t ever used it, it would still be dead. I know this because Google Talk and ALL Google chat apps are dead. WhatsApp killed them all.
    
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  - PropaGandalf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    God why are all crying about XMPP? If you want to make it more popular just start using it yourself. If you don’t have anyone to speak with over there just speak with me (seriously DM me).
    
    Also we have a lot of open source alternatives by now so XMPP is just one of many good options which means that the people will go whith what they feel comfortable with. Trust me, if XMPP would be the only dezentralized, open source chat protocol around I’d be using it exclusively and many others would probably too.
    
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- AustralianSimon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This, the real threat is the amount of content that federates out possibly hurting others servers’ performance as their enterprise kit will scale better.
  
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- Rognaut@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I like your perspective. More people need to realize that they are responsible for what they put out there.
  
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- tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Threads content completely dominate other activity pub clients. Other clients / communities could get dependent on it. Then Meta is basically a drug dealer with leverage.
  
  How? Because this doesn’t make an yota of sense to me.
  
  Flipboard federated. Are you flooded with news from them?
  
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  - sj_zero ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Minds is also federated. I bet most people in this story had no idea and have never seen a single post from minds.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
They’d hoover up your data regardless lmao. Anything you post here is fair game. It’s not the same as Instagram measuring how much you look at a post or your location.

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- AustralianSimon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yeah so many people misunderstand data on ActivityPub.
  
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  - PropaGandalf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So you post on social media because you want te be publicly discovered? Yes Then why are you wining that your public posts were discovered?
    
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rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The Facebook hatred is understandable and justified, but defederating with Threads is a misguided idea:

Federation is not required for them to be able to pull the data. Even if you block an instance, they can still pull whatever they want.

By closing down with Threads, you’ll be basically guaranteeing that that all the millions of people that are there will never be able to migrate away.

By getting major (current) instances to defederate with Threads, it gets easier for Threads to just say “hey, we tried to be open but they still rejected us, so we are just going to go back to our walled garden.”
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- newcockroach@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Buddy i am here to avoid the lizardman and dont want him anywhere near me. Free software always has been an alternative to corprates and never a replacement. In the name of evangalic fediverse we should not give up our freedom. And above all this whill become like the trade agreement between Hati and the US.
  
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  - bamboo@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    As far as free software goes, how does running free software on your own server that you allow others to communicate with using established standard protocols violate your freedom? Not saying you shouldn’t be able to be selective about federation, but why would Facebook specifically being one of the peers violate your freedom?
    
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- LastoftheDinosaurs@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Let them go back to a walled garden. They weren’t going to migrate away. Reddit went to shit when it went mainstream.
  
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- gohixo9650@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  yes, very misguided. I always loved the idea of browsing “All” and see all top brands with millions of engagement promoting their products
  
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  - themusicman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I thought users could block instances now?
    
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  - helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    AP does not allow for the pushing of ads.
    
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- freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They’ll try to dominate the way the protocols evolve. Try to push more and more crap into it because they’re too big to ignore. Insert becoming ad, bot, corporate friendlier stuff. Fediverse doesn’t need meta. It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here, I’ld like it to stay that way. It’s like Google dominates some “open source” and pushes browsers towards more and more DRM friendly etc. We don’t need that.
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    It’s nice and cosy and rather friendly here
    
    And absolutely irrelevant in terms of impact. We have at best a few hundred MAU on a good month. Facebook/Google/TikTok are controlling billions of people.
    
    If we truly believe in the superiority of the Fediverse and that it is possible to have an alternative social media for everyone, we need to go and fight Big Tech. Defederating on the grounds of “I like it the way it is” is coward, selfish and completely lacking ambition.
    
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  - Microw@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s not dependent on federating at all. Meta is a member of W3C, they can be a part of developing and evolving ActivityPub at any point without actively running a service with it.
    
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- PropaGandalf@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Doesn’t defederating just mean they can see our content but won’t see theirs? At least it was like this few months before. Now if this is true we would lock ourselves out of the discussion while they could still do anything they wan’t with our content.
  
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- sour@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  am get off reddit without federation
  
  when were you supposed to be responsible for others independent actions
  
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  - rglullis@communick.news ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s the thing: actions from other users and from the key players are not “independent”. It is a social network, actions and reactions depend on the context and the relationships of everyone involved.
    
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confusedwiseman@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I was surprised to see lemmy.world didn’t defederate. I hope it does. And, I hope a mod weighs in on the planned direction for the instance.

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- Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  There is no real need right now. Lemmy is focused on following communities, not individuals. This is more of an issue for Mastodon than Lemmy.
  
  It might never be an issue for Lemmy. Threads would need to start organizing people around communities, or Lemmy would need to encourage people to follow individuals (something Reddit promoted and no one cared about)
  
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  - Microw@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s actually an argument for defederating atm. Because Lemmy can’t pull Threads content, but Threads can without making that fact public.
    
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- Slowy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They weighed in months ago back when it was announced and said they were taking a wait and see approach, where if it did cause problems they would defederate, but didn’t want to preemptively do so. Many other instances did defederate already though.
  
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FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The amount of Meta bootlickers in this thread is incredible.

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- yuki2501@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Noe consider how the number will increase AFTER they start federating!
  
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- MimicJar@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Someone who disagrees with you is not a bootlicker.
  
  Meta is a garbage company. Meta has done terrible things historically. At the moment we don’t know how Threads will affect the rest of the Fediverse. I’m ok with giving Meta a short leash. If you disagree, join an instance that has already blocked them. That’s how this works.
  
  I fully expect, once rolled out, I’ll block Threads, but that is MY choice to make.
  
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  - PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Meta doesnt need a short leash, it needs put down.
    
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  - sour@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    if you disagree go to threads
    
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- Awkwardparticle@programming.dev ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  People don’t get that with money they can do whatever they want. Want to do something illegal, just do it because you have unlimited funds to pay your legal team to clean up the mess afterwards. We are absolutely powerless against something that can litigate you to death. Defederating is the only power we have. There is no way to react to anything that happens. There are no consequences for their actions. They don’t even answer to any governments.
  
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Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Seems like everyone who is “for” letting threads stay can be summed up by “why would I want to intentionally separate this from a corporate entity when they’ll just get my data anyway” Like that’s a fucking valid argument.

Oppose corpos at all fronts, it doesn’t matter if they’ll get you anyway. If that’s your take, then if your country ever gets invaded, I expect you to bend over and incite the enemy inside.

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- Yoz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Lol People are fucking idiots and these are the same people who complain about how everything is getting expensive when corporations are posting massive profits.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Not of course that that has anything to do with this topic
    
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- MrSqueezles@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I don’t understand. Facebook can get data from an open system whenever they feel like it.
  
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  - wolfshadowheart@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Fetch authorization may be able to prevent that.
    
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- Eldritch@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Well yes, if you want to be disingenuous and not actually understand their argument.
  
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- helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Like that’s a fucking valid argument.
  
  It’s not. Which is why it’s so ridiculous that OP is making it.
  
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- Adanisi@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Well said
  
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EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Given that we’ve watched communities like Reddit become more closed, I would rather Lemmy not do the same. The best thing an instance can do is keep them on a very tight leash, and kick out at the first sign of a rule being broken.

What Lemmy needs, above anything, is engagement. Be open to the users from Threads, instead of punishing them because you hate Meta. Many people joined Lemmy because the idea of the fediverse meant freedom to choose, and while instances are free to allow/deny who they want, it shouldn’t be a detriment to users that want to experience Lemmy.

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- laverabe@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That’s not how EEE works at all. Facebook will embrace Lemmy, extend/improve Lemmy, and then extinguish/disadvantage the native Lemmy community, until the Lemmy server serves so little of a purpose it is shut down.
  
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  - Eldritch@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How? The unhinged ranting that threads will federate with mastodon, not Lemmy. And the frothy incoherent rage that Lemmy needs to defederate from something that doesn’t currently exist and will not impact them significantly in any way once they do exist. Makes me think none of you have actually thought this through in a rational manner.
    
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- Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Defederating Threads doesn’t make us a closed community. All that’s going to happen is we’ll basically end up on Threads without actually being on Threads. People will either migrate there or to an instance that doesn’t have Meta/Facebook everywhere.
  
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- ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Except that Threads is not going to engage mutually so this argument is moot. If we federate with Threads but they do not federate with us, what exactly to we have to gain from this besides Meta’s rage algorithms?
  
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  - bluefirex@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Great how everyone saw one post from Mosseri a week ago and decided to just ignore all following posts. The one-sided federation atm is TEMPORARY. They will fully federated in the upcoming months.
    
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- sour@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  lemmy isnt for profit company
  
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- Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same. Defederate - or rate limit - them if the load should become an issue.
  
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capital@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why does it seem like everyone with this position is unaware that data here is already available publicly?

Please expand on how you believe blocking threads improves your privacy.

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- ItsMeSpez@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My objection with federating with Threads has nothing to do with privacy or data access, it has to do with keeping the ActivityPub protocol alive. Embrace, extend, extinguish is a much more legitimate threat to the fediverse than data scraping ever will be. No, the danger is that Meta will begin to contribute to the protocol. At first, contribution by a corporate actor would seem like a fantastic boon to an open standard that we wish to see grow, that’s the embrace phase. But it would not be long before Meta began adding features that are exclusive to a Threads user - they’ll extend the protocol to better accomplish their ends. In this way, they seek to bring more and more users into their platform in order to take advantage of these exclusive features while maintaining compatibility with the larger Fediverse. The end goal is to have enough users that when they decide to break that compatibility, they will make off with the majority of the users from the open community; that’s the extinguish part.
  
  This is a well-established strategy that large tech companies have employed with open standards in the past (see XMPP). I strongly believe it is in the Fediverse’s long term interests to remain defederated from Threads, and any other large corporate player. Better to have fewer users and grow organically than to federate with Meta; we may see a short term boost to the fediverse, but the long term risks outweigh any benefit.
  
  That being said, the nice thing about the fediverse is that I can just leave this instance for another if I disagree with the admin’s decisions.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I seen a lot of people post this and they always think that the counterpoint to that would be just don’t allow them to build exclusive features into the standard. If they are the feature fine but it has to be for everyone.
    
    If they start adding exclusive features then the developers can block them at a API level. Is there a need for individual instances to take action unless you think that the developers won’t block Meta, and they hate meta, so they will. But right now there’s nothing for them to do because Meta haven’t actually done anything yet.
    
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  - raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Left this in another response to previous poster, but since you summarized the points, I wanted to link the article as well: ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…
    
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  - violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I feel like Google is, or has, done this with AOSP
    
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  - capital@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How does defederating mitigate EEE?
    
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- Yoz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Facebook is a data harvesting company. Yes, it can scrape the data but why hand it to them on a silver platter? Let them scrape it, if they want it so bad. The issue is facebook has destroyed democracies , bought out competition and never had a good track record so why risk it. If we federate, it’ll be like smoking cigarettes even though we know smoking causes cancer.
  
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  - echodot@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah Meta is a terrible company, I don’t actually believe anyone is arguing otherwise, but the point is that if they are defenderated all that will happen is that people who are on instances that defederate from them won’t be able to see or interact with their content. However the inverse will not be true, so the data will still be scrapable. So if your argument for defederating is that you want data privacy then you’re arguing about a moot point. You don’t get data privacy either way.
    
    Now just to be clear here, I am not saying that defederating from them is a bad idea I’m just pointing out that the argument of privacy is moot. The only way to prevent your data being scraped by facebook would be to not use activitypub at all.
    
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  - Neve8028@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If they’re really just after data at all costs, they could easily spin up an instance that has no apparent link to threads and federate secretly. I agree with other arguments about not federating with them but idk, all these data privacy arguments against federating with threads are so dumb. If they want it, they’ll get it because getting it is so absurdly easy.
    
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- raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Privacy is the less relevant point here. Keeping the fediverse alive is the central point. Just look at reddit to see how corporate greed can fuck up a social network. Or google groups killing the usenet by “federating” with it. If you want the expanded version: ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…
  
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  - capital@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m so tired of that article.
    
    Neither the people advocating for dedederation nor that article ever explains how defederating is going to defeat EEE.
    
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SeedyOne@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Whichever way instances decide to go there’s a few things people should remember:

-It’s not always about what we know will happen, sometimes it’s concern over the possibilities we couldn’t imagine at the time.

-Growth is great but there’s infrastructure, moderators and policies that can be overwhelmed. " -Defederation can be reversed at any time if things change. " -We’re lucky to have this option even if it’s divisive at times.
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TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Unless threads implements the full activitypub spec then everyone should be defederated from meta. There is a fine line for meta to walk to not harm the fediverse. Lemmy World is one of the few instances that can handle it. But meta should not be allowed to be a guiding voice in the direction of the fediverse at all

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thecrotch@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

allowing them to hoover up our data

Hate to break it to you, but the fediverse is public. Most instances don’t even require an account for read-only access. If Facebook wants your data they don’t need to federate to get it.

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v81@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m actually really trying to play devils advocate… But I’m struggling.

I came to get away from the main stream socials.

I came to minimise my farmed data footprint.

I came to find other like minded people.

These principals alone are shared by quite a few I guess.

If we end up hooked up to the machine we were trying to escape from then coming here was near pointless.

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TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Meta should be fully jetisoned from the entire federation. If people want threads, join threads. The whole purpose of the fediverse was to be NOT linked to tech bro empires.

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Aceticon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
When it comes to Corporates it very much is like the Nazi Bar allegory: you let one Nazi stay because he’s behaving rasonably and being nasty, and sooner or latter the place is going to be full of his friends and turned into a Nazi Bar.

It’s the same dynamic only with corporate logos, advertising, hypercommercialism and eventual enshitiffication instead of swasticas, racist messaging and violence.

Certainly in my eperience of it since the 90s, the Internet changed very much this from its early days and spirit as commercial interests from their original foothold almost entirelly subverted it to serve their interests.

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recapitated@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If the majority of us are truly here specifically to enjoy the freedom of choice, then it would follow that peering with Facebook wouldn’t be a major risk for active users here, and possibly an opportunity to reach a less savvy audience.

Lemmy and mastodon are platforms good for connecting broadly. There could even be a separate instance that is a subsidiary division of a major player.

And as far as hoovering up our data, we’re already out here putting it out there. Don’t put sensitive data on here and don’t sign up for an instance owned by surveillance-capitalists.

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Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
There sure are a lot of accounts here NOT from .world throwing in their opinions

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seaQueue@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
On one hand: great, federated tech is catching on.

On the other hand: fuck these clowns, they’re not participating in good faith. If Meta wants to join the fediverse they need to interoperate fully with other instances instead of using activitypub to poach fediverse users.

I’m 100% convinced Meta is pulling a classic embrace, extend, extinguish move here.

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Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Threads will kill the Fediverse and chuds welcome it with open arms.

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chitak166@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I will be leaving if lemmy.world defederates with threads.

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Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
This is like saying “my email provider should block all emails from Gmail”.

And they can hoover your data right now. Like, you think bots aren’t spidering the site already? It’s a public website.

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Chenzo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Not federating it seems like a weird choice. Can’t each user block Threads themselves if they want? Isn’t that the point of the fediverse? User control?

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Andonyx@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
If this functions to poll users broadly, then count another one for NOT federating. I came to Lemmy to not have my feed dominated by a tsunami of corporate junk curated by one of the worst influences in modern society. And if the counter argument is that I can block their content, then you can go join threads. I have no desire to be on a service where the majority of other users are constanly being fed crap from Meta and then interacting here, even if I can’t see the initial influence. I can go elsewhere, sure, and will if they federate, but I like it so far and would rather not. But consider, at least, the kind of thing .world will become if the only people here are people who think, “Hey, maybe Zuck’s new project won’t be so bad!”

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spicyjimmy87762@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Why can’t it be as simple as fuck Facebook! I don’t want a multi billion dollar corporation playing in my sandbox.

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Macallan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Hard agree. Fuck da Zuk.

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raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Seconded. Fuck Meta.

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Chenzo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Honestly, the more I think about this, I feel like keeping Threads will pull more people FROM there than it will push people away from Lemmy… once they learn what the fediverse is.

Anyone that’s on Lemmy **now ** isn’t going to go over to Threads.

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infinitepcg@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m in favor of federation. The point of federated networks isn’t that there are no evil corporations, but rather that they can’t cause damage.

What Facebook can do:

read your public data (they can do this wether anyone federates with them or not)

let their users publish content to other Fediverse users

What they can’t do:

serve you ads

serve you an algorithmic feed

impose their ToS or rules

collect data for analytics/tracking/marketing

force you to use a certain client

make changes to the protocol or design

I think this is mostly relevant for Mastodon servers due to the format of the content, but the arguments are the same.
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Kase@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I agree that we should defederate. I like it here, but I’ll definitely change instances if Lemmy.world decides to federate with threads (or any similar platform) and isn’t very cautious about it. No hurt feelings of course, if I’m not part of the majority here, but from the responses I’ve seen so far it seems like most people here agree.

I do respect one thing, and it’s that everyone I’ve encountered in this discussion is interested in keeping the fediverse alive and well. ╰⁠( ^⁠‿^)⁠╯

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Scrollone@feddit.it ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Let’s federate with Threads. Let’s not jump to conclusions beforehand.

I want to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how they behave. We can always defederate later.

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laverabe@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Absolutely the same for me

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