What 2D printers do 3D printer people prefer?

Submitted ⁨⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨3dprinting@lemmy.world⁩

My resin printer was powered off with resin in the vat for about 7 months. Last night I turned it on, gave it a job, and I woke up to a successful print.

My inkjet printer was powered off for 2 weeks. Last night I turned it on, gave it a job, and was instantly disappointed with a streaky, blotchy output. Running a clean cycle just made the output worse.

Why are 2D printers so terrible despite years of development? What are some 2D printers this community has had good interactions with/would recommend?

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HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Brother laser printers are great.

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- jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I got mine almost a decade ago and I’ve replaced the toner once, never had issues with it.
  
  It just works
  
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  - radswid@feddit.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Haven’t used mine for 2 years, but it worked with the first toner for over a decade now.
    
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- Seleni@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’ve heard the lady who fucked up HP has been hired to the board of Brother, though. So who knows how long this sort of thing will last.
  
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  - HewlettHackard@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not finding anyone who fits that description here or here so hopefully that’s not correct.
    
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- null@slrpnk.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Thank you, brother. Which brand do you recommend?
  
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- CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Another vote for the Brother monochrome laser printer. My LH-23200 has needed toner once since 2017, and a four pack of toner from Brother costs about $30.
  
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- hydrospanner@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yup.
  
  A few years ago I needed to print something for a job I was applying for and I had three inkjets, none of which worked. Replacement ink wasn’t even a guaranteed solution and was going to cost three figures anyway…so I started looking into whether there was a better option.
  
  Ended up buying a Brother color laser printer. A bit spendy, but now when I need to print something after not printing for months, I just literally tell it to print and it gets it exactly right, first try, every time.
  
  Zero regrets.
  
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- superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Second! I love my brother
  
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stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
At this point it might just be more reliable to print a 1 layer thick text document on my 3D printer.

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- BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I suggested that to my kid the other day. Print a few layers of white, then swap to black filament. As it was an assignment for school my spouse vetoed it :(
  
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dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Inkjet 2D printers are terrible because they are purposefully designed to milk their owners for money in the form of overpriced ink cartridges. Often the printer itself is sold at a loss and the manufacturer’s single goal is to profit off of the sale of consumables. Inkjet itself is a technology that’s inherently fraught, due to the possibility of ink drying out. It’s the same reason most people don’t use fountain pens anymore, because the principle and pitfalls are basically exactly the same. (Says the guy who owns like 427 fountain pens. So I like to be contrarian; do as I say, not as I do.)

The answer to your question on what to recommend is a laser printer. No contest.

A lot of people like Brother laser printers. I would avoid anything by HP (for pretty much everything, not just printers). I personally have a Canon color laser printer which has been pretty good to me so far.

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- idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have a tank printer which I got like 5 years ago? It still works and the ink is pretty cheap even if you buy first party. We are still using the ink the printer came with 5 years after. The print quality can suffer if I don’t use it for over a month but the maintenance job has always fixed the issue so far.
  
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  - dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The Epson EcoTank. Yeah, I went through three of those under warranty before I gave up. I bought my color laser immediately thereafter.
    
    Epson’s design decisions with those, at least of the generation I had, were worse than questionable. The ink tanks are not sealed, so your ink slowly dries out and thickens. Then the print head clogs. Dust can also work its way in under the caps. There is no way to drain the tanks for transport, cleaning, or removing expired ink (except to use a long syringe) and there is no consumer accessible way to purge or clean the lines inside, either. The print head is also not removable for cleaning or replacement. If it gets gummed up and the printer’s inbuilt cleaning song-and-dance with the wipe pad can’t fix it, you are capital F fucked.
    
    Epson then instructs you to drain the ink tanks before sending your unit in for warranty work, knowing full well that they did not include any provision whatsoever to allow you to do so. Genius! After the warranty expires, the machine is landfill. It is not feasibly serviceable by the average end user.
    
    Needless to say, I do not recommend the Epson EcoTank line. It’s great that you’re having good results with yours, though. I certainly didn’t with any of the three I had.
    
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- vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Sounds like the consensus. I also have a dye sublimation printer for photos (Canon Selphy) and it never fails. We’ve used it as a “near instant photobooth” at weddings, put probably a thousand photos through it, and photos today looks as great as the day we bought it.
  
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  - dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The dye sub printers are doggedly reliable because basically the entire print mechanism is actually in that CYMK film cartridge, and every time you replace it you get a whole new everything. The printer itself only encompasses the linear heating element and paper handler and doesn’t have to contain any ink/toner/pigment handling hardware at all.
    
    But that’s also why the things are so damn expensive per print. They’re excellent for the singular purpose of printing photos, which admittedly is what they’re marketed for, but lousy at everything else.
    
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- agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  A lot of people like Brother laser printers. … I personally have a Canon color laser printer which has been pretty good to me so far.
  
  I recently got color laser printer and in my research is seems like the consensus is that Brother is very solid for printers overall, but Canon seems to be a bit better at the price point for color laser. Very happy with it so far.
  
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cynar@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
First, avoid inkjets. They need to be used regularly to work reliably. If you don’t print, they will periodically blast ink through, till they run out. If you leave them turned off, the ink dries, and they clog up.

For day to day. A colour laser is the best bet. More expensive, and they struggle with photos, but they just keep on going. 1 refill costs 5x the cost of an inkjet, but will do 50x the prints.

If you need photos, a dye sublimation printer is the way forward. They are expensive to run, but create professional grade photos. The consumables also keep indefinitely.

As for brands. Brother is the best bet. They quietly produce the battle tanks of printers. They do 1 job very well, no faffing, no unnecessary bells and whistles.

In short, a brother colour laser printer is exactly what you are asking for.

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_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Brother laser printer ftw. I think I spent $40 on it years ago, it’s never failed after hundreds of pages, and is still on the original toner.

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- BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Brother laser printers are like the Soviet era Lada of printers. They are small, affordable, and you cannot kill them. No weird features that sounded great when buying, no stupid “pc load letter”, just pure core function. Keep it fed and it’ll print for 20 years.
  
  We had an hl2030 for 15 years, and all it took to keep it running that time, was some fresh toner (which was surprisingly cheap) and a new fuser (once!). 15 years of 1500-2000 pages a year at its peak. I’ve been on dates that were more expensive than that printer’s TCO.
  
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- corytheboyd@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Same, shit just works. I don’t even want anything I print to be color, by design, because it always is terrible anyway.
  
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Good4Nuthin@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have both a brother laser and a brother multifunction inkjet. Both have been solid for many years. However, with the inkjet, due to infrequent use, i found that the cartridges a/o print head would get clogged/dried after a while. I solved this by setting up a scheduled print job on one of my machines that fires off once a week. That document has 4 1” solid squares, their colors corresponding to the cartridge colors. Since starting this, i’ve had zero clogging issues, and i just recycle the weekly prints as scratch paper for notes, etc.

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- filcuk@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Shouldn’t the exposed ink be cleaned on a ‘sponge’, I thought that was common. It could run a cleaning before first print after long inactivity. I wonder if there’s a good reason not to.
  
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Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I just strap a marker to the head of my 3D printer and then program it to write on some paper.

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- vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Truly the best solution!
  
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KISSmyOS@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Get a Brother HL-L Series monochrome laser printer. You’ll have the same experience as with your 3D printer.
Inkjet printers are only an option if you need to print in (brilliant) color regularly, and then you’re probably running a photo print shop.
Cheap inkjet printers are literally useless trash.

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Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve had good experience with Brother laser printers. They don’t seem to mind being left unused for months at the time. I have a Brother color laser printer and a Brother B&W laser printer-scanner and I like them both a lot.

If you get a printer with a scanner, I recommend using the NAPS2 freeware for your scanning. It works great with a wide variety of scanners, is simple to use but highly configurable, and is a lot less of a nuisance than the proprietary scanning software that comes with most printers. Once your OS has the drivers it needs, you generally won’t need the proprietary bloatware that comes with the printer in my experience.

As for leaving resin sitting in a vat for extended periods, I don’t recommend it beyond a few days. Sure, you can get away with it like you did, but you can also develop various problems from it. The resin will separate (easily fixed by stirring) but it can also slowly leak out of the vat and make a mess (this happened to me).

I try to make a habit out of emptying my vat (through a filter back into the resin bottle) in order to inspect and/or clean the FEP semi-regularly. I also feel better about not having an open vat just sitting around to potentially get bumped and knocked around. If I am using the 3d printer heavily I don’t bother with this, but I know if it’s going to sit idle for a week or longer, I go ahead and empty & clean the vat.

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- vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I actually have a “resin mixing” gcode file that just raises and lowers the build plate a bunch while I’m warming up the shed my resin machine lives in. That mixes it up really nicely!
  
  As for leaving resin in the vat, thank you for the advice, however I’ve been printing with this machine since 2020 and never empty the vat unless I’m changing resins or using a water washable (which I moved away from as the detail wasn’t as crisp, and it’s just as problematic as regular resin). I do run a clean cycle after a print, peel the sheet up, cure it and toss it. Never had to replace the FEP, never had any leakage issues
  
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kaupas24@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Go buy a brother laser printer. I've personally never had any issues with them

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- eighthourlunch@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I've had a Brother laser printer for years now. Zero regrets. I'm never going back to the ink jet mafia.
  
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- nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yep, unless you need high quality color printing, laser is the way to go. Insanely cheaper to run and you can get super cheap 3rd party toner for brother printers last time I checked.
  
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PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The brother line of laser jet printers has served me well. I almost never need to print in color, so I have the black and white variety. The toner lasts for a long time and it doesn’t dry out between uses. You can find relatively inexpensive toner cartridges for them as well.

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- vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My kids love to doodle on the computer and print the drawings out so color is a must. Thank you!
  
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  - netburnr@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Laser does color these days
    
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sj_zero ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I've had two HP laserjets, and on each one I've printed thousands of pages sometimes years in between prints.
roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Not inkjet for sure.

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vector@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I got a Duplex Brother SW Laser with Copy and Scan function via Ethernet… Scans to a thumbdrive connected to my router via ftp.

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- PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yup, Brother laser printers are the way to go. Inkjets became popular with the invention of digital cameras. But unless you’re regularly printing photos, you don’t need an inkjet printer. Except for photo quality prints, inkjets are inferior to lasers in virtually every way.
  
  A laser toner cartridge will last for ~1000 pages, and modern laser printers build the LEDs (they’re commonly still called laser printers even though they’ve used LEDs for the past decade) directly into the toner cartridges. So you replace the LEDs at the same time you replace the toner, and never need to worry about them dying or going bad over time. Even full color prints look decent, as long as you don’t need photo quality. And if you do need photo quality, just fucking use Google Photos and get print shop quality photos delivered to you in two days. You literally never need an inkjet in this day and age, because the only reason you’d need one (photos) is obsolete.
  
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- Anonymouse@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I switched to Brother after my HP updated itself when I forgot why I had a particular firewall rule, deleted it and let the printer onto the internet to roam. It pulled down a patch which added an amazing security feature to block the use of the toner that I bought. I bricked it while trying to downgrade the firmware (after placing an order for their “certified” toner). I tried returning the toner, but couldn’t and eventually took it tongue recycling center, swearing to never buy HP again.
  
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gian@lemmy.grys.it ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I had a Samsung SL-C430W (a laser color printer) and it still work really well after 7 years, but admitedly I don’t print that much and only a really few time a photos. On the other hand I printed on a variety of types of paper, from the standard one to the decals paper to paper to print shirts and lastly to paper to print on wood and it never disappointed.

Cheap toners (from Amazon) and really robust. But I think it is no sold.

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Cobrachicken@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Brother inkjets never disappointed me. You should, however, not disconnect them from power as they self clean from time to time to prevent the mess you described.

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- vic_rattlehead@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Interesting. Does it have to be “on” or just plugged in? I don’t have a permanent space for a paper printer so it stays in the closet until we need it.
  
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  - Cobrachicken@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It’s only got to be plugged in. Wakes when the cleaning job is due, sleeps. Startles me with that sometimes in a quiet work moment.
    
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yokonzo@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Get a brother brand, it is the open source of printers, haven’t had a single problem with mine, ever

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arc@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I currently have a Brother 3-in-1 that I’ve had for 5 years and it’s great. Sometimes the print head needs a deep clean but generally it prints and has survived some paper jams. Before that I had an Epson which was DRM’d and I despised it. It used to reject cartridges, even Epson cartridges for no reason until I got sick of the money I was wasting and dumped it. Had a Canon before that which was not DRM’d and worked fine but it just got old and started misbehaving.

Moral of the story. Do not buy any brand or model which uses DRM cartridges.

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- dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The best inkjet printer I ever owned, possibly the best printer I ever owned period, was an old Canon Pixma iP5000. It had no screen, no wifi, no networking at all, no DRM, and took ink cartridges that were literally just clear boxes of ink. I never bought a single cartridge for that thing; I just drilled and refilled the ones it came with for years. The print head itself was removable – without tools – for cleaning or replacement. You just flipped a little lever on the side and it popped out. Got a clog? Just toss that bad boy in your ultrasonic cleaner full of isopropyl alcohol and you are good to go.
  
  I wore that thing out. I printed absolutely anything and everything with it. Flyers, handbills, advertisements, stuff for work. I used it so much I literally abraded the face of the print head off, so I bought another print head and used it until I wore out that one too. By then parts weren’t available anymore and I had to junk it.
  
  Every inkjet I ever touched since then was bullshit. Cartridge or not. You can read my other comments in this thread about my experience with the fucking thrice-damned Epson EcoTank. I have a laser printer now.
  
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m750@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’m impressed. I’ve got a inkjet that Is about 18 years old. I have to occasionally wipe off the print head, but otherwise has never needed repairs. The ender 3 we have has needed replacement parts from heads to hot ends and feeders, and every print requires specific to it setting. I can print to my hp using generic drivers without a second thought. 3d printers are far from that level of ease of use/ reliability. I’m glad your stuff worked, but that’s the minority.

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- stealth_cookies@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  That is just the Ender 3 experience. Buy a Prusa, Bambu, etc. and you hobby can actually be printing stuff.
  
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Aux@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have a very old photo printer from Canon and it’s amazing! Produces really high quality photos in A3. And I’ve never had any issues apart from two nuances: it can’t print text documents and its ink is very very expensive. Not your average inkjet expensive, it’s much more expensive and it lasts for like 20 full page prints or something.

On the other hand you’re not getting full colour high quality A3 prints cheaper in a photo lab either. And your average photo lab can’t print photos that good.

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Koopa_Khan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have a Espon ET-5150. Its worked fine so far but I wish my wife would’ve let me spring for a laser printer.

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- dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  My wife specifically ordered me to spring for a color laser printer.
  
  We decided to DIY a lot of our wedding stationery after seeing the outrageous prices dickheads try to scam newlyweds-to-be for this sort of thing. We easily could have bought a very nice printer and all the fancy paper and so forth we’d need just for the price of the invitations, envelopes, table cards, etc.
  
  So I bought an Epson EcoTank ET-16500. I had three of them consecutively shit the bed for one reason or another while simultaneously failing to actually complete our stationery project. Weeks wasted waiting for warranty replacements, arguing with the manufacturer, and fiddling around siphoning the ink out of the fucking things to ship them back and forth. I still have like 12 unopened bottles of ink because every new one they sent me came with more.
  
  Fuck inkjet printers with a rusty pitchfork. All of them. I bought a Canon color laser printer while waiting for warranty replacement #3 as a stopgap. That was six years ago and it’s still trucking just fine. And now I use it to print all of our handbills, signage, and color literature for work also. That’s thousands of pages at a time sometimes – No problem.
  
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anderfrank@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have an HP inkjet printer that qualifies for their Instant Ink program. I am currently on the free plan that allows printing up to 15 pages a month for free. When the ink runs low they send me more ink (for free). If I happen to go over 15 pages/month, its only like $1 for another 10 pages, so not a big penalty.

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- eighthourlunch@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  They're not great.
  
  My dad signed up somehow years ago. He doesn't even have a printer anymore. He swears he's canceled, but I keep seeing a monthly bill. They aren't even sending him ink. Thanks for reminding me that I need to get the bank to stop charges.
  
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  - anderfrank@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That sucks to hear. In my case I am not paying them a dime and still getting free prints out of it.
    
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