PlayStation To Delete A Ton Of TV Shows Users Already Paid For::Sony says Mythbusters and more Discovery TV shows are going away whether you bought them or not
PlayStation To Delete A Ton Of TV Shows Users Already Paid For
Submitted 11 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://kotaku.com/sony-ps4-ps5-discovery-mythbusters-tv-1851066164?
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netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
mriormro@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The irony is that I feel like I own my pirated content more than any of the digital content I’ve actually purchased in the past.
netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Piracy gives you freedom, whereas paying for content just deprives you of your money
systemglitch@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Feel? Without question you have ownership in a way legal distributors no longer allow for. Physical media aside of course, but even that has a hassle to it that pirated content circumvents.
There is simply no downside to having a collection of movies, tv shows and music on your HDD that no one can take away and plays in any modern operating system hassle free.
lud@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Buy Blu-ray’s then.
netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I’m occasionally buying used Blu-rays from eBay, ripping them using MakeMKV, putting the content on my Jellyfin server and sharing it with my friends and family over Tailscale. Works like a dream and no one can do anything about it. youtube.com/watch?v=RZ8ijmy3qPo
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
They just want us to pirate everything right? Like, that is the only logical response to this.
EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 11 months ago
The content you bought is available to be streamed on Discovery Plus, for a small subscription fee.
Just buy your content again, that’s fair right? You wouldn’t expect a perpetual license for the cash you parted with, that would be crazy!
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
It’s the perfect model. People only buy a DVD once, but this way you can keep them paying forever!
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Or, you know, buy media you can store on your own devices.
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
I don’t have a house big enough to store a ton of DVDs, and the Playstation Digital Edition solidified that we don’t have to buy physical media anymore. So the only option is piracy.
Vant@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This isn’t really Sony’s fault. Discovery (who owns all these shows) are pulling them. Discovery sold them to people via the Playstation network. They sold them there and took your money. Now they want you to sign up to HBOMax to watch their dumb weak ass garbage.
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Well whoever is taking them away should reimburse the clients if they were not made aware that they didn’t own the show but were just renting it.
These behaviors are dangerous and shouldn’t be legal. You press « buy », you own the product, not the right to watch it for a few years.
hperrin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Slowly turning the whole world into pirates…
wtfeweguys@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 11 months ago
disingenuously points to the indecipherable ToS
CouldntCareBear@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Thanks for pointing that out, it is Discovery’s decision. For their part though, Sony is still at fault as they didn’t demand perpetual use rights for content sold on their store, or at least a full refund for the customer.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sony isn’t in a position to demand refunds, though. Discovery pulling their content means theirs no negotiation happening.
As for demanding perpetual use rights, yes, that’d have been nice, but that wouldn’t have been granted and then that content wouldn’t have been in the store at all.
This is something that has needed regulation for a very long time, because there’s no incentive for any licensing company not to abuse this shit.
Kushan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is absolutely Sonya fault. Sony owns the platform, Sony took the money, Sony signed the terms and agreements with Discovery that let them pull the content users paid for.
Xbeam@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I blame Discovery too, but you’re right that Sony is to blame. They have an army of lawyers to go over the terms of the agreements. The buyers don’t. When I push the button that says buy, that should mean I own it. Not that I’m renting it for some unspecified period of time.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
The absolute minimum they should be doing here is refunding everyone’s money in full.
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In full? So the period where the content was accessible is valueless? Pulling the licenses is bullshit, but a full refund is equally asinine.
netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I don’t care who’s at fault for this massive scam
tabular@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At best you could say Sony didn’t know you thought you now own the car they were actually lending you. They probably spelt it out this could happen in their legal codex but that doesn’t negate the fact they took your money. Sony takes part in this degeneration of ownerships.
mriormro@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If it’s not something that lets you straight download and keep a native, non-drm video file, then you never owned it.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 months ago
Just Max, not HBO Max. They changed the name because they literally planned on making it worse and didn’t want it reflecting badly on the HBO brand.
Mbourgon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
No, it’s also Sony’s fault for not making a contract that says “bought means bought forever”. Sony isn’t making contracts like that where they can get screwed over later. Just making them that way when it affects you.
ddkman@lemm.ee 11 months ago
This is what I wrote on the other thread about the same article. The question is, on what possible grounds are they allowed to revoke licenses for completed sales?
khannie@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Someone in legal on Sony’s side fucked up.
They should issue refunds. Whether they will or not though…
anubis119@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This seems illegal unless Sony reimburses everyone for the removed content.
turmacar@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It should be. But I would be extremely surprised if everything in the terms of service isn’t worded something like “you’re buying a license to view this content that can be revoked whenever”.
whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It is, and IIRC you don’t even “own” a movie even if you physically have it. You own the physical disc, not the content on it. Granted, it’s a lot harder for Sony or Discovery to come kick down your door and take your copy of Ice Road Truckers so you have to rebuy it…
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if the TOS says “We reserve the right to change this agreement at any time in any way without notice and you agree to be bound by all future versions of this agreement”
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s a line in the EULA when you purchase digital media that says they can revoke your access to it at any time that they see fit. Look it up for yourself.
rifugee@lemmy.world 11 months ago
If you don’t own it when paying for it then you aren’t stealing it when pirating it.
tym@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Woah.
yournamehere@lemm.ee 11 months ago
this is an ad for piracy, right?
Chocrates@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I stopped piraring when I graduated college and streaming started to be wonderful. It is now a bleak hellscape that is more expensive than ever. Time to buy 20tb of hard drives and install Jellyfin I guess :(
CalicoJack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
On the bright side, 20TB of hard drives is relatively cheap these days if you buy used. They’ll pay for themselves in a year if you kill the streaming services.
Happy sailing
TwanHE@lemmy.world 11 months ago
A new 12tb costs about as much 1 year of netflix premium.
hperrin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Welcome back to the high seas.
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Some of us never left …
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Heh, I’m about at capacity with my 20 tb of storage. I think I’m getting myself a Synology NAS for Christmas. I’ll probably spend a couple grand on the device and the drives, but it’s totally worth it to own everything. No regrets.
unphazed@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Amazon gifted me one a loooong time ago. Useful for storage but apps aren’t supported on older models really.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Buying” media with drm is a mistake.
I buy books from audible sometimes, but I immediately rip the drm out. Use Plex to store your movies and TV shows, it does music ok too now.
ColonelPanic@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Give Jellyfin a try too. I switched to that from Plex after I realised they were trying to charge me money to use hardware transcoding on my own hardware.
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Give Jellyfin a try too.
Unless your main TV client is a Playstation. Client support is Jellyfin’s biggest weakness, and why plex is more popular.
Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, I’ve heard of jellyfin, but don’t really know anything about it… How is it different?
I’m likely to stay with Plex though, because I have 3 friends with Plex servers and we’re all sharing content. It’s pretty fantastic, when I don’t have something, usually one of my friends does have it. If jellyfin doesn’t support content sharing, it’s a huge no-go, but just convincing my friends to switch over would be pretty challenging.
NightOwl@lemmy.one 11 months ago
People this doesn’t affect are pirates. People who get to enjoy their media without worry are pirates. When pirates are getting the better experience and it’s customers who are getting affected what incentive is there to not pirate other than personal morals. Because it sure isn’t for a better product.
ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
It bears repeating. Piracy is a service issue first. I’ve paid for several streaming services for music and video, but they just cannot compete with the convenience and features of self-hosted options. It’s not at all unusual for people to pirate stuff they have legitimately paid for just because of the convenience More than once I have bought a an album on the very same day I downloaded a pirate copy, just because it was slightly easier to get it on all my devices that way.
fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi 11 months ago
While Gabe’s famous line still holds true, I find that repeating it without qualification is increasingly glib, because vendors are making the matter a technology issue instead, thanks to years of investment in DRM techniques. In the long term, either side’s ability to enforce its will on the other will come down to availability/control of compute resources, and unit economics.
Keeping corporate at bay is going to require a combination of maintaining the commons, seeing genuine competition in cultural production, improving consumer legal frameworks, and becoming politically conscious of our entitlement to digital rights.
ugh@lemm.ee 11 months ago
A lot of people are getting back into pirating because of this. If a show isn’t on a streaming service you use, you either pay $2/episode and hope that Amazon doesn’t drop it, or you pirate it. I went almost a decade without pirating, and now I just bought a 5tb SSD for my Plex server. I’m tempted to fully convert now that I’ve already set everything up, too.
dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
I am coming back after I get a server set up.
It’s seems everything I ever want to watch is either not available or spread across numerous services.
Just last week I was recommended to watch Knives Out. I find the second one on Netflix which I use a family account and then the first one wasn’t available and I would need Amazon for that. Why would I keep jumping through these hoops when I can just download what I want when I want and watch it whenever I want.
spirinolas@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Aye!
Jarix@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Louis agrees with you
LotrOrc@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is why I buy the physical copies of shows/movies I like and just pirate the rest
Dont trust these guys to not screw you over
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah personally I only ever use points or rewards to buy digital media. Rarely do I ever pay actual money.
cogitoprinciple@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Looks like enshittification of the internet is really kicking in. Decentralized platforms, and piracy needs to be the new normal
ech@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Not enshittification. Just a corporation following through on the inevitable result of these one sided EULAs everyone “agrees” to just to.
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I remember a long time ago buying the first iPhone model. Eventually, Apple released an update that added an “App Store” that allowed you to download third party apps.
Google released a preview / trailer for a new app called Google Goggles. It was like something from the future, and I wanted it more than anything. However, months and months later, it still hasn’t showed up on the App Store.
Eventually, Google released a statement saying Apple was blocking them from releasing it because it competed with Apple in some way, or some shitty thing like that.
It was then that I realized I had paid about $700 for a brand new device which I thought I had owned, but actually did not. I then switched to Android and never purchased an iPhone again.
This has been happening for a long time.
IvanOverdrive@lemm.ee 11 months ago
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’ve pretty much switched to streaming and paying for content. This makes me question that decision.
badbytes@lemmy.world 11 months ago
NOT OK
RHTeebs@startrek.website 11 months ago
This is why we must protect physical media. Buy, CD, DVD, Blu-ray, 4K Ultra HD.
InternetUser2012@midwest.social 11 months ago
Then shocked pikachu face when everybody goes back to the high seas.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I wonder if the studios understand how much they are going to be shaking confidence in digital purchases by doing this. I know I’m going to think twice before I pay money for another digital copy of a movie or TV show.
QuadratureSurfer@lemmy.world 11 months ago
At least when Microsoft was pulling the plug on their music streaming service, they gave everyone the ability to just download all of the songs that you owned.
AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
So pirate the shows. Easy peasy.
Tom_bishop@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Classic sony move. Remember Linux in ps2…
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 11 months ago
This is why I only watch my VHS copy of Space Camp. Do you really own your media if you didn’t get Space Camp out of the 99¢ bin following the Challenger crash when movies about launching kids into space were on sale?
jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Another case of Physical > Digital
ME5SENGER_24@lemm.ee 11 months ago
🏴☠️Ahoy Mateys! Avast and shiver me timbers. Tis a good day upon the high seas
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh wow, Sony being shitty to customers.
How fucking expected.
Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Sometimes I feel bad for using vpns and stremio and keeping hundreds of my favorite movies and shows on Plex then this happens and I’m happy I’m prepared for enshittification. I don’t lose sleep over piracy one bit. I’ve written guides and shared libraries with family also. Fuck corporations that can just retract contracts when they feel and take back what you already paid for. No thanks.
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
This is why you either buy physical media or pirate.
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Set the Jolly Rogers sailing again!
heygooberman@lemmy.today 11 months ago
Well, I guess now is as good a time as any to become a pirate. Drink up me hearties, yo-ho!
Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck paying for tv now. Im done. This has been stupid for a long time. Im so done.
spudwart@spudwart.com 11 months ago
If you can’t own digital copies since they’re not property, then piracy isn’t theft.
luthis@lemmy.nz 11 months ago
Easy there on the sound logical arguments buddy, you’ll have the lawyers shitting their pants.
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
You will own nothing, we will bleed you dry, and you will love it.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
It’s not theft. It’s why they named it piracy instead of theft. Because it’s different.
Psychodelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s weird this needs to be repeated so often. Just goes to show how often media corpos repeated the lie that creating a copy of something and sharing it with someone else is the same thing as stealing physical property from someone.