Xbox's new policy — say goodbye to unofficial accessories from November thanks to error '0x82d60002'

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• Uglyhead@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  “Made for Xbox” branding for proprietary accessories approved by Microsoft incoming. Anything else won’t work. How hypocritical of MS to pull this on their consumers after making it such a big deal that competitors like Apple do this same thing. Pot meet Kettle.

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  • Laser@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anyone surprised? MS is one of the shadiest companies out there. Google gathering user data? “Don’t get scroogled!” Microsoft account required for windows 11? That’s completely different. Gamers in particular just fell for their self-imposed image as the good guys because of Game pass and constantly bashing their competitors.

    If I remember correctly, it was them first charging for online services under Xbox Live Gold for functionality that was usually free on PC.

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    • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And free on PlayStation at the time, but sony thought it was so good they’d copy it

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    • systemglitch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wait, wait… people claimed they were the food guys? I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    after making it such a big deal that competitors like Apple do this

    Did they?

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    • Uglyhead@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Going way back to the beginnings of both companies, yes. Apple had the ‘walled garden’, where the idea was that you were safer with all things ‘Apple Approved’.

      Microsoft and most of the industry went the other way at the time and MS grew exponentially.

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• BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The optimist in me says “maybe this is just to prevent cheaters from using XIM and Cronus and it’ll be cheap and easy for other manufacturers to get authorized”

  The pessimist in me says “so Microsoft is going to charge a shitton for authorization… great”

  The realist in me says “I play on PC”

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  • lemmegogo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can’t wait for Windows 12 rolling out error code 0x35EF00DA - Unauthorized mouse detected

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    • BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m relatively confident that Microsoft understands it’s only leg up on Apple is that it’s ecosystem isn’t a walled garden. If Microsoft ditches that AND makes Windows 12 a subscription, then it’s time to get comfortable with Linux.

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    • Noodle07@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just use a razer mouse, it doesn’t need any help from windows to stop working

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    • FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Linux bb

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  • stalfoss@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If a game can be cheated by using a 3rd party controller then the only skill involved in the game is how fast you can press the buttons, so who cares?

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    • BmeBenji@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I disagree with your premise there. Using a controller that requires absolute input (a mouse) while your opponents use a controller that requires relative input (a joystick) gives you a leg up but it doesn’t remove skill altogether. Using a mouse still requires skill, but it’s easier to learn to use well.

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  • anarchy79@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “First time?”

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• Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I abandoned Xbox back when they announced Xbox One and said it required a Kinect and would be always online for DRM purposes. The backlash was severe enough that I remember their stock price taking a hit and that Major Tom dude having to come out and backtrack.

  I knew then and there that they’d always try to bring this DRM/hyper controlling nonsense back. Just didn’t think it’d take them so long.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve never owned any Xbox because even Windows is too hyper-controlling for me.

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    • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Linux user doesn’t mention they use Linux challenge (impossible).

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  • maniclucky@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s when I stopped. I think the only things I missed were Halo 5 and 6, and I understand I missed very little.

    I’m using game pass on PC now, and when they start fucking around with that, I’ll turn them back off.

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    • Stamets@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I jumped over to Playstation and I can’t say I’m having a bad time. Some great exclusives have come out. Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man 1 (I’m too poor for Spider-Man 2 so have no opinions), Bloodborne, God of War… Been a nice time and same here on Halo being the only thing I missed.

      Well that and the controller.

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• UltraBlack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  “it’s all just for your protection!” I’m amazed that people actually believe this shit. That’s the same argument as with various countries fighting against CSAM, seeing that as an excuse for total privacy invasion. Like come on…

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  • pdxfed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No one believes it, but in the world of PR you just go with the thing people are least likely to argue against or most likely believe “for the children” or “because safety”. PR doesn’t really even matter when you’re so enormous.

    I never gamed on console because I like more control over my environment…and that started 25 years ago. Super glad they were just approved to buy Activision/Blizzard, “more choice” was what their grinning exec said in a consolidation purchase.

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  • uberkalden@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If they can get rid of Cronus devices, I’m fine with it honestly

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• kadu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Pxtl@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Simple: because they’re cheaper.

    Like, say you build a gaming PC that’s comparable to a PS5. I think it would be extremely hard to come up with a combination of PSU, ram, mobo, GPU, CPU, wifi, storage, case, keyboard, mouse, and game controller that costs less than a PS5 and has comparable performance. Even if you picked entry-level components. And you still have to pay the Windows tax probably. And all of that was much more difficult than just buying a PS5 – not everybody has the time.

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    • HC4L@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then again, rebuying all your games and paying way too much for them is something to take into account. But admittedly, the PS5’s thing where you can play some PS4 games is pretty neat.

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  • TORFdot0@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As a consumer, having certified static hardware configuration means you know exactly how it’s going to run off reviews on the same hardware. You know that you are going to get support the manufacturer and aren’t going to have to worry about the manufacturer of the motherboard pointing fingers at the manufacturer of the GPU or RAM or CPU if you have a problem. Updates and driver support is all handled by the OS.

    But probably the biggest reason is that consoles already have the best name recognition, higher user adoption, and hardware is sold at a discount compared to comparable PCs.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    because having a stable, unchanging platform is a lot easier to code on and extract performance from than the 100,000,000,000 billion possible combinations of PC hardware.

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    • kadu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • spudwart@spudwart.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you use windows, this is the way it will be on PC in a few years as well.

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    • Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think the moment that happens, it’ll truly become the year of the Linux desktop.

      Over the course of fifteen years, we went from WINE being able to run nothing but World of Warcraft in a playable state, to thousands of games now being playable through Proton with equivalent or even sometimes better performance than Windows.

      Valve were wise to put their eggs in the Linux basket, because they’ve evolved Linux as a gaming platform by leaps and bounds. Steam Machines may have flopped but the Steam Deck has sold millions and given developers legitimate reason to support Linux (or at least SteamOS.)

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  • csolisr@communities.azkware.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Console developers sell at a loss specifically to tie you to their ecosystem and get as much money from you as possible. Which is why it’s so complicated to get a PC equivalent in specs to, say, a PS5 at the price of an actual PS5 - unless you go to the used parts route and learn how to assemble parts by yourself.

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  • LazyBane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Back in the day, Nintendo got big on quality control. That’s less of a selling point now that almost every big publisher is pushing for yearly releases and devs need to rush out unfinished games to meet corporate expectations. A console was also just miles ahead in user friendliness that a computer up until around the PS4/Xbone.

    The way forward for consoles these days is to have more interesting hardware, but Microsoft is resistant to just having gyro in the xbox controller so don’t hold your breath for the next xbox being anything worth looking at.

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  • HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because it is cheaper to develop for, so you tend to get games that take better advantage of the hardware and increase performance.

    You also have consumer inertia too.

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    • kadu@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      so you tend to get games that take better advantage of the hardware and increase performance.

      Well, just like I’ve replied to the other user below… Games are already running worse on the consoles this generation, and it’s by a pretty significant margin given how this generation was all about promising 4K and ray tracing performance. So this supposed “advantage” of better usage of the hardware means nothing in the end, because the hardware is that much far behind.

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  • flop_leash_973@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    While there some advantages to that static more gate kept setup that we all could argue about for years on end, the answer to your question boils down to money and control like pretty much everything else.

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• Adalast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So goodbye custom-built accessibility controllers? Little Timmy, who was born with no arms and loves video games but has to play with his feet on a custom controller, is going to be told “Git good stumpy”?

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  • uberkalden@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Microsoft does make a special controller for people with disabilities. Still sucks for people with custom setups. The cheating in fps games is out of control though

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      On PC you can do whatever the hell you want with your hardware and people aren’t asking to ban it to prevent cheating. This is such a dumb excuse. Build some good anti-cheat or stop complaining. This isn’t the solution.

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    • EnglishMobster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The array of different disabilities is so vast - a controller which works for one player may not work for another.

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    • Venomnik0@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Does cheating in games justify downright deactivating custom accessories?

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    • hackitfast@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Given that Xbox is a closed console, couldn’t they just have rootkit anticheat by default?

      Maybe I’m stuck in the past but it still seems as if consoles still don’t employ anticheats.

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    sounds like it

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• Tosti@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • PeachMan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    To be clear, they’re not requiring us to buy Xbox brand official controllers. They’re requiring “authorized” controllers, which includes a lot of third-party brands. That’s still kinda shitty, but I don’t think it counts as tying.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It still counts as infringement upon Xbox owners’ property rights and therefore ought to be outlawed.

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  • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    lol as if politicians care aboit regulating monopolies any more… MS already got in trouble in the past for ONLY bundling their browser with the OS. They do so much worse these days and the paid-for government cheers it on…

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• mlg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ah yes the infamous and completely utterly useless 0x8 hex Microsoft errors.

  If I had a nickel for every time I encountered one, I’d have paid Microsoft to properly document what they actually mean, instead of spending 2 years finding some ye olde ass archived help request where some ancient wizard sys admin gives the answer after the default and also equally useless MSFT Associate reply of “Did you try DISM or try to reinstall windows?”

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  • yukijoou@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    sfc /scannow

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    • Darken@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      oh it doesn’t work? You definitely need to run

      chkdsk /f c:
      

      Wait this doesn’t work either? Then download our utterly useless software that will only run chkdsk while showing you ads and has a paywall after you click “apply” because it’s a fake “free” app that does nothing targeted to your grandma and step uncle

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  • Darken@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    By the way the poor ms employee probably doesn’t know what any of them mean they were just generated by ms devs in the other MS building 63 floors below ground where they use infrared light to grow new developers in the bill gates soil

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  • PoolloverNathan@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    A lot of the answerers who do that are paid per-answer (with a bonus for accepting) iirc, so they’re incentivised to essentially auto-reply.

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  • Walnut356@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean to be fair, those errors arent really meant for you (the end user) in the first place.

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• tabular@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Another attack on ownership. The user is the only one who can authorize an accessory being used with their hardware.

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• Stovetop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Where was this outrage when Xbox blocked the ability to use third party headsets? This just seems like a continuation of their long-held policy and is likely only happening now that they have their accessibility controller on the market.

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• MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Just hook up a gaming pc on tv and play there with controller.

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  • MetaCubed@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They’ve already nuked driver support for certain “unauthorized” 3rd party Xbox accessories out of windows 10 and higher, so this isn’t necessarily a solution for the average user either

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    • LazyBane@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m gonna say the L word

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    • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Same vendor, doing ugly things like always. I say Draugr OS or Chimera OS.

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    • Moderationslog@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This doesnt work anymore? github.com/InputMapper

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    • netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Just wanted to mention that Linux has great support for almost any hardware. You don’t even have to install drivers, thanks to its monolithic kernel.

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• rtxn@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Ah, back to the DRM machine dream of Xbox One.

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• Clbull@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There’s still no official word or reports yet on whether XIM or Cronus controller-spoofing mouse and keyboard adapters will be banned as a result of these policy changes, but manufacturers like Brook Gaming who build unlicensed, but fair adapters for fighting game sticks seem to be caught in the dragnet. We’ll be sure to update you on further changes.

  I think XIM and Cronus are the reason they’re doing this.

  Cronus allows you to run scripts which give you an unfair competitive advantage, from using exploits and humanly impossible controller inputs to fire weapons ultra fast, to removing weapon recoil, to going auto-prone when you fire your weapon, to quickscoping, to other things.

  Xim on the other hand lets you plug in a mouse and keyboard. While this allows you to play games on console that otherwise don’t support M&K controls, it has the serious disadvantage of making the console think you’re a gamepad player whilst giving you superior M&K controls and aim assist at the same time.

  My other hypothesis is that they want to safeguard their console from firmware exploits that could bust the security of their console wide-open and allow for software piracy.

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  • steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I don’t have an Xbox but I love that mouse and keyboard are considered cheating devices.

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    • stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Reminds me of FFXI, where the devs considered Alt-Tabbing on PC cheating this made it deliberately crash to desktop.

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    • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      especially since games in gamepass for pc let you play with console players

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• HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  The enshittification is getting worse

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• Nothing_911@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  i feel like the EU will fight this, but it still might not matter for NA users

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• BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Going to have a controversial opinion here, but as someone who primarily plays competitive FPS games this is a huge win. Strike Packs have been dominating console lobbies for years now. Controllers that do scripting won’t work anymore, and that’s a massive W.

  It’s not universally good, and they’ll need to expand the authorization program, but imo it’s well worth it to ban the cheaters using 3rd party controllers.

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  • Boiglenoight@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If this is why, great. Microsoft needs to get out in front of this though, otherwise a bad look when they don’t need one.

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  • Bruno_Myers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    most cheating comes from pc

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    • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Most software cheats do. Hardware cheats are much more common on console. Strike Packs can be bought at the local Walmart. There’s no barrier to entry at all.

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• julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Get a Steam Deck and use any Controller you want ;) (including the corresponding controller glyphs for many games)

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• netchami@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Nowadays Consoles are just locked down, consumer-hostile PCs with many unnecessary artificial limitations. Get an actual PC and install Linux on it, that way you have the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want with both your hardware and your software. Probably the only console that respects its users is the Steam Deck, which also runs Linux. Most games work really well on Linux, and it’s constantly improving. Also check out !linux_gaming@lemmy.ml

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• sndrtj@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This surely can’t be legal? Right? Right?

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Honestly surprised they allowed them in the first place.

  Pretty sure Sony don’t.

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  • csolisr@communities.azkware.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    As a user of third-party controllers on the PS4: yup, the DualShock 4 security is a pain. And the DualSense security hasn’t been cracked yet - the closest gadget I’ve found actually uses Remote Play to bypass the authentication requirement.

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• FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What a shitty move, glad I use PC/SD

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• dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  They can 0x82d60002 Deez nutz

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• autotldr@lemmings.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is the best summary I could come up with:

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  In a significant development for Xbox users, the era of tinkering with your console to use unapproved accessories is drawing to a close.

  I asked for a photo of the controller, and I’m not surprised it didn’t work, given the included adapter looks like something you get for free at the bottom of a box of cereal.

  we have received player feedback concerning these products when used on Xbox consoles (the latest OS version 10.0.25398.2266. released on 10/16) during online gameplay.

  Brook Gaming’s statement highlights a series of issues that have been plaguing third-party, unlicensed accessories, particularly since the rollout of console build 10.0.25398.2266, which was released on October 16.

  As of right now, we haven’t seen any evidence that these types of accessories will be affected by the recent changes since Xbox has historically been unable to detect them, but we’re investigating.

  Our sources indicate that Microsoft is lifting restrictions on the ability for third-party hardware manufacturers to build wireless accessories for Xbox Series X|S devices.

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• jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Historically, 3rd party accessories on all platforms have been garbage. Glad to see them cracking down. There are rare exceptions like this Atari 2600 joystick:

  en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAC-2

  I have a pair that must be almost 40 years old now, still work!

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  • NateNate60@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Call me old-fashioned, but I think the free market offers an adequate solution for this—customers can tell for themselves which third-party accessories are bad and not buy them. Microsoft shouldn’t purposefully render them unusable. If you want guaranteed support, you’re always free to choose an official product.

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    • BURN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Except the controllers who are doing external scripting are the best selling 3rd party controllers. So the free market has been pretty clear in that they don’t care if it’s a good product, they only care if it gives them an unfair advantage.

      Letting the free market continue to regulate this means no change from the horrific state of controller based cheating that exists right now.

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    • jordanlund@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They really can’t though. Which is why the article shows a shitty controller somebody bought on Wish.

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