Submitted 1 year ago by dantheclamman@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/23930960/microsoft-edge-google-chrome-poll-why-try-another-browser
I think I am okay with this popup, I mean they are asking whats wrong with their product. They arent trying to break something in Chrome or like that.
If Edge stops forcing everyone with their “new and improved AI powered…” stuff, it is better than Chrome.
As web browsers are now free in price, if they are not privacy and freedom oriented the only way to promote them is by nagging and force.
Linux equivalent: Imagine if AppImageD pops up asking for your opinion and feedback on AppImages whenever you visit Flathub or Snapcraft.
If I was Microsoft, I’d wanna know too. After all, it’s a race for every single one of our data points, and then some.
Either way, you gotta admit it’s ironically funny that Microsoft wants to keep/poach Chrome users into their own… wait for it… Chromium-based browser.
If I was Microsoft I would be investing in a some market that no one has clear dominance in. Right now they are trying to manage inconvenience. Making it harder and harder to not use their product. This strategy never works unless the government backs you up. They are trying to be like Comcast. You want to be like Apple. You want people to pay a premium for what they consider the best.
It’s why their approach is failing too. They aren’t offering any technical benefits, they are just trying to get more of your data for themselves.
If I was Microsoft, I’d wanna know too.
It is fine to want to know… it is just a question of how do you ask
Overly controlling bf
You’d rather leave your bf without telling him why?
I don’t get why everyone is appalled by this. They’re just quantifying user feedback. Long as they don’t stop you from downloading chrome, and the feedback is optional, I don’t see the harm
Appalled? No.
Annoyed? Yeah.
its hard to stay appalled when its been something your feeling since its inception
I’m not really appalled. Just find it notable that Microsoft has four click throughs to try to nudge people towards Edge. Seems almost like desperation
Because it has vibes of the person screaming at you demanding to know why you won’t go out with them.
Internet Explorer is older than my kids. I know what it is about. I choose to go elsewhere. I shouldn’t have to fucking explain why I am not giving them a chance when they had like twenty plus years to not suck.
In context, Microsoft has made it quite annoying over the years for users to keep using the browser they like. This is yet another nag in a long series.
I.e. Microsoft is looking to build an antitrust suit against Google.
It Microsoft were forced to decouple internet exploder from Windows then Google should be forced to decouple chrome from android.
A fresh android ( and iOS ) install should present a dialogue asking the user which browser they want. The companies should not be allowed to integrate browser specific features into the OS.
You, and nobody can stop them from doing so. It turns out that web UI technologies are very easily and conveniently usable for OS GUI features as well. Browsing a file system? Web UI. Navigating settings and configurations pages? Web UI.
And these browsers are open-source. Chromium. Edge is a derivative of Chromium, so is Chrome. The fact that Google controls the Chromium upstream matters not at all, because anyone is free to fork it and modify to their needs.
Freedom is a double-edged sword, but this is many folds better than locked-in proprietary.
I think one huge issue is edge is fine, it is a browser that works. There is nothing competitively interesting about it to make people consider switching, plus there is the infamy of IE and Micro$oft’s reputation to contend with.
They should just develop a lightweight browser installer and bow out of the browser wars.
That will never happen, a browser is probably the best telemetry source you can possibly have. Microsoft wouldn’t dream to give that up.
Oh I know, I was just living in a better world for a second.
They run the operating system, they collect all that data without the browser
Edge > Chrome I use it at work. Much better.
This feels like arguing whether mcdonalds or burger king is better when I'd really just prefer food.
I think of it as picking up two pieces of dog shit and trying to decide which smells better.
To be fair, that’s true to me too but MS’s way of marketing it is just annoying and predatory. With that said, Firefox is my jam and only use Edge for things related to my Microsoft school account.
I wouldn’t turn this into a Firefox vs chrome(ium) fight,but why would anyone use a reskinned chrome(edge) over the original one? Not being sarcastic, I’m genuinely curious.
Edge’s vertical tabs and splitscreen are killer features that I cannot replicate without issues on firefox or chrome.
I’ve been using tree style tab on firefox for maybe almost 10 years and rarely have any issue unless the firefox update broke it which also rarely happens
I’ve not used the in browser splitscreen, but can’t you just use the window snapping feature built into the Windows OS itself for that?
Winkey+any arrow key Minimize, Maximize, snap to left or right half of screen.
what i’ve gathered from people i talk to about it is that a lot of it comes down to convenience. edge comes pre installed and microsoft makes it not super straightforward to switch. i’m sure most people could figure it out if they wanted to, but lots of people don’t want to “futz around” with their computer. it also doesn’t help that edge is pretty much the only thing that works with windows search along with certain outlook and teams features.
i like to spend time messing around and customizing my computer to be better (i still use vim as my main editor), but for many people its annoying and they don’t want to “fix it if it isn’t broken”. this is all just a very long winded way of saying they don’t really care it’s not the optimal solution, as long as it works.
My dad used IE till the day it died, despite knowing that Chrome/Firefox was a better option. Some people just don’t want to change if they don’t have to.
Sometimes I wish I could give as few fucks about it all as they do.
You do know that Chrome is not “the origin al one” and that Edge is not a reskinned Chrome, right?
Edge is based on chromium, so yes you can say it’s just a reskinned chrome, the only other rendering engine now is gecko, which is what is used by Firefox and it’s forks.
No need to apologize, we all have our opinions,but I was expecting you to elaborate on that a bit.
Anyways,no harm no foul.
If they’re equally bad, who cares,
But edge is much better than chrome, was the only browser I could keep open while emulating switch games. If you are going to use a chromium fork instead of Firefox, at least use edge.
If they are actually interested in the results, I think this is way better than the straight up bag they used to have.
Overly attached hegemon.
Yeah it’s fair; trying to download Chrome when Edge is already there doesn’t make sense to me
Do you also question why Burger Kings exist when McDonalds is already there too?
I would question the person with McDonalds going and getting Burger King on top of what they already have
What does make sense is using Edge to download Firefox ;)
Microsoft is that kid with abandonment issues that tries to bribe classmates to stay a little while longer by promising the candy, only instead of that kid it’s Microsoft, and instead of candy it’s gravel.
That’s similar to what I thought their Xbox strategy was. The rich kid buys an entire store because he has no idea how to prepare things for a party(i.e., make games). He opted to just buy the entire store but he still has no idea how to throw a party (i.e., Xbox games like Halo are still dead and they still don’t have a good play test strategy the way Sony or Valve does so they keep releasing broken games). Xbox over the years slowly lost the formula to making great games to poor corporate management.
You’re making a mistake in your line of thought there- the intention was never to throw a great party, the intention was ever only to make money. And that party is bouncing hard since the 90’s…
Yeah MS, compel use of your software by forcing it on people, cajoling and misleading them. Instead of, ya know, adding killer features that make it popular and recommended by all, the way so many of your competitors did as they ate your lunch.
How are they going to know what features to prioritize unless they ask people why they’re leaving for a competitor?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Google Chrome download in Microsoft’s Edge web browser?
How many times will the company try to steer me away?
The pop-ups are nearly two years old, and the injected ads are from earlier this year.
I cannot believe how many stories we’ve written about the shit Microsoft has pulled to steer you away from Chrome.
Even today, the company still won’t always respect your choice of default browser, though that may finally be changing in the EU.
Sadly the poll doesn’t include an “I’m boycotting Edge because you don’t respect me as a user” option.
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Why does anyone care? Just ignore the poll and download whichever browser you want to use. If it was actually stopping me from downloading the other browser, then that’s a problem.
This is the same as an advert popping up. Just bat it away and carry on as normal.
I didn’t realise 9/11 and ISIS were microsoft polls…
I also dont remember saying it would make it go away. It doesn’t affect anyone in any way. Altough it does trugger some people on here who then decided to compare microsoft begging people to use edge to a terrorist group and a terrorist attack on the wtc… wtf
The issue is that adverts built into the OS, and into browsers shipped with it, are regarded incredibly poorly. Regardless of the ease of bypassing them and how little impact they have, they simply should not be there in the first place.
I agree. But that won’t change anything. I hate adverts but they dont know, or care.
The answer, as the saying goes, is in the body of the question.
Edge is just chromium, so what’s the big deal.
It’s all about who gets to read along with you as your browse the web.
I don’t use it, but I imagine it sends mountains of telemetry and browsing data back to Redmond.
I use Opera because it uses less memory on my tiny $175 laptop.
Debian 12 / Xfce will save more ram.
Conpletely legal and definitely not abusing one monopoly to push another
Edge was good at launch, it’s still okay but it’s kind of a bloated mess now
Firefox was great at launch (seems like 100 years ago now), got a little bloaty there in the middle, and is great again now. And it’s not dependent on Chromium.
In case anyone’s curious.
but it’s kind of a bloated mess now
That’s Chrome and all its varieties, to be fair
Honestly Edge might be better at this point but it really doesn’t matter. Google won the browser war years ago and people have too much inertia to care
Reminds me a bit of that scene in “2001 - A Space Odyssey” where Bowman unplugs HALs memory modules, and HAL begs him not to do that.
Firefox or Brave for the win. Edge and Chrome are equally bloat/spyware.
The stupid sidebar on the right is reason enough for me, but I also want an adblocker that’s not crippled.
Of course I find this attempt from Microsoft to make you stick on Edge (together with all the other ones) pretty ridicolous, But after having to use Win11 + Edge for a bunch of days instead of my usual OS and Browser I really don’t understand why people who doesn’t give a shit about their privacy and the welfare of the internet (because if you use Google Chrome this must be your case) just don’t use Edge. It’s basically chrome but with more cool features and a much better integration with the OS!
So I guess in this case maybe it was not an attempt to make user stick with Edge, but just the Edge developers being annoyed by the fact that all what they do is not apreciated 😂
You mean all they didn’t do? But the answer is in your question. Better integration with the OS. That’s the problem. IE6 did the same thing. Then MS started altering standards a bit once they gained majority of users. This resulted in broken standards and monopoly that took us decades to break. Remember that Microsoft is the creator of EEE…
Yes but now the same situation that happened with the old IE is happening with Chrome, so I guess a little bit of competition wouldn’t be a bad thing
They think Chrome as everybody have a Gmail account but not Microsoft account. I dont think you can login to Edge with a Google account and get all your stuff there. At minimum you first must install Chrome, then start Edge and trigger the import process - but why do that when you now already have Chrome installed?
This is true for all other browsers.
Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I love Edge so I never get this pop up.
fritz@feddit.de 1 year ago
Cursed
misterundercoat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
You have to really love it, you can’t just pretend
bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
🤢
sir_reginald@lemmy.world 1 year ago
you forgot the “/s”.
who would love giving all their data to a chrome re-skinned by Microsoft.
Drbreen@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I do, I love it that Microsoft have all my data. It makes my life easier.