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• JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Stages of climate change dental:

  1 it doesn’t exist 2 we aren’t causing it 3 it isn’t that bad 4 we can’t solve it 5 it’s too late now (so might as well go on consuming oil)

  We can’t just throw our hands up and give up because we don’t know how bad it will be yet. So we should still try everything we can to stop ghg emissions and sequester those already in the air.

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  • AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    People more powerful than you can dream, with their arms up world government “leaders” asses telling them what to do and say, are going to enforce maximum profit at the planet’s expense until the apocalyptic day they retreat to the luxury climate bunkers they’ve been building around the world, look it up.

    Then they’ll keep barking orders remotely until the last capitalist, true believer sycophant on the other end finally tells them to fuck off and die damage done.

    It isn’t too late because we couldn’t, as a species mitigate some of the worst effects with concerted, global effort. It’s too late because the egotistical, sociopathic world oligarchs that own you and I in every practical way have zero interest in the survival of our species after they’ve left the stage of life, and they’ll play this planet like a harp from hell for every fucking nickel until they can’t.

    And we the peasants will go along, afraid stopping them will inturrupt the flow of our pathetic subsistence opiates like social media, fast food, literal opiates, etc.

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    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Then eat the rich? There’s always something that can be done.

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    • explodicle@local106.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It sounds like we need a way to address externalities that they can’t simply shut down. Like bittorrent but for insurance.

      Or we just give up and die because the solution involves money.

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    • Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      subsistence opiates like social media, fast food, literal opiates, etc.

      I would argue they’ve had complete control long before all of that. No, humanity is inherently flawed when it comes to considering the collective good. But if you are like me and believe on a macro scale all of humanity is only an extension of universal nature then there is nothing to be upset about. No more upset then when a leave falls from a tree only to become dirt again.

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    • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Guillotines

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    • buzz86us@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I hear Detroit is nice

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  • Makeshift@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s basically the mindset I’m in.

    We’re screwed and won’t shape up in time. But I’m still going to self reflect and improve myself.

    There is very little chance. But there is zero chance if everyone lets zero chance stop them from caring about their own actions.

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    • Sheeple@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also sure there is a climate catastrophe going on that causes irreparable damage

      BUT

      That doesn’t mean we should be causing an EVEN WORSE climate catastrophe

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  • MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Didn’t know my dentist set up stages of denial. 😉

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    • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Lol thanks

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  • gandalf_der_12te@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    That’s nicely said.

    I think however, the problem is more that everybody wants to solve climate change, as long as it doesm’t cost them anything.

    And since big companies and banks are the only ones with enough money to make a significant difference, climate change will only be solved by having cost-competitive clean sources of energy. Which we have.

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• blind3rdeye@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s too late to avoid problems; but it’s certainly not too late to take action. This is not a binary yes / no or climate change / no climate change situation. It’s a continuum. We can’t avoid it completely, but the longer we delay action the worse it gets. There is still a lot of room for it to get worse. So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been, even if some problems are unavoidable.

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  • Smoogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So reducing emissions is more important now than it has even been

    Middle managers : “Come back to working in the office”

    Us: ”we work on computers and can easily work from home and have done so for years now being very productive without adding to the emissions of the road use”

    Middle managers: “Fuck the earth. I don’t feel like my job is valid unless you’re here so I can micromanage you”

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  • katkit@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like to frame it as, even if you can’t avoid crashing into a wall, it still makes a huge difference whether you do it with a 120km/h, 70km/h or 20km/h.

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  • dangblingus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, unfortunately we are looking at the likely scenario of cascading ecosystem failures, quickly leading to most humans on earth starving to death.

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• whitepawn@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is a leadership problem. The problem really does need to be solved at the top.

  The reality is most working class cannot just stop, unless handed a practical alternative because stopping would mean not going to work, not earning income, and being rendered homeless. Likely living in their car first which would put oil consumption right back in play.

  Whatever alternative you’re thinking of that the working class might be able to achieve as an individual probably has a buy-in cost. Given the even greater number of folks living paycheck to paycheck in the last two years, that buy-in isn’t a plausible ask.

  Sucks. But here we are. Find a cost free (to the working class individual) solution that doesn’t interrupt the 5-6 day/wk work schedule or require any extra costs or moving and you’ll solve it. Until then, working class folks are going to do what they must to keep the lights on and the water running, and that’s usually going to be commuting to work in a gas consuming vehicle. As such, the solution needs to come from the top, not the bottom.

  Earnest question. Is there enough lithium on the planet to turn around every vehicle in the United States to electric? Assume infrastructure for charging. Even then, do we even have the lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel, and graphite or whatever else electric vehicle batteries need for it?

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  • HardlightCereal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What I’m thinking the working class can do is protest, civil disruption, direct action, unionisation, labour strikes, and worker action.

    Labour is entitled to all it creates.

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    • whitepawn@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Time is often the ultimate commodity. It’s why you see some of the poorest folks grabbing fast food. No time for groceries or cooking in earnest.

      How do you fit time for all of what you just said into that work/life schedule?

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• foggianism@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  It’s a common misconception that the planet as a life bearing vessel is in danger - it is not. It’s just that human civilization is probably fucked (and thousands of other species).

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  • Mchugho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Some scientists warn 70% of species could go extinct within the new few centuries which would massively dent the ecosystem, also the rates of extinction are massively high. All bets are off at that point. Chaos theory will reign supreme.

    I agree that life will probably continue but I also wouldn’t be massively surprised if we fucked it so bad that most major ecological systems are basically gone. Maybe some ultra persistent bacteria and algae will remain and start again.

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    • lostferret@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They will. Mass extinctions worse than what we would cause have happened in the past.

      “Life, uh, finds a way”

      We’re just not part of it

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    • reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      MRSA will rule the day !

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• balderdash9@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean, you’re a man wearing a comically small polar bear head so…yes?

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think you’d disrespect Mr Polar Bear Head to his face.

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• darkangelazuarl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is incorrect. Climate change won’t destroy the planet just the people living on it. The planet doesn’t give 2 fucks.

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  • madcaesar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Oh for fucks sake this comment again…

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    • I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Every time.

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• DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  What we need is guerrilla solar and wind feeding the grid. Fuck the energy companies and their fossil fuels.

  I look at every lamp post here in the UK and wonder why they dont have solar like this up there. It wouldnt be too hard to install micro renewables, 100w of solar is pretty small. 200w of wind is a little bigger. But over the course of a day it would generate >1kwh of extra energy.

  Then there are what are called vampire devices. I do wonder how many people turn off their TV, microwave, computer when they’re not using it? They may be up to 10w each, and on their own it doesnt seem like a problem. But when you add every phone charger, and other device thats left on standby into the equation, from all of a country even as small as the UK we’re talking Megawatts of wasted resources. Every day. I’ve lost the link now, but a couple of newspapers did surveys and found most people left devices like this.

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  • creditCrazy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’d imagine animal rights activists would be pretty against the use of gorillas to make different devices solar capabilities

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    • Retrograde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Instructions unclear, installed gorillas on roof

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    • DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      LOL!

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  • DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Maximum standby power draw is already required to be lower than 1W for non-networked devices in the EU. My entire house has an idle consumption of ~150W (incl. fridge/freezer)

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    • DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      No. We have to do both. Absolutely industry has to decarbonise - but its a hell of a lot easier to deal with the small contributors to atmospheric carbon, and rather negligent to avoid doing these things ourselves. We as individuals still add up to 25% of carbon across the world. Our driving, our devices, the food and things we buy and consume… And yes it is hard.

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  • gens@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s better for them to ne on the grid instead of each having their own panel and battery. It’s more efficient material-vise, and they would still need to be connected to the grid.

    I’d put panels on all roofs, though.

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    • DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d still have them on roofing. Might just be easy to deal with a council and expand the system across a town or city. On homes people tend to have to buy the panels themselves (£8-20k for a system), then they individually have to negotiate with their energy supplier - who can deny them the option of connecting to grid.

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  • lostferret@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Guerilla solar will not & cannot take off. Community solar, however, yes. A “power co-op” where communities / towns / neighborhoods can pool power gen, storage, and use. Forming a small grid of their own that sips from the larger grid if needed.

    Vampire devices are largely irrelevant, but always worth knowing which of your devices draws power. My 3d printer just sitting, but on, draws 10w. Off, it draws 0.1w or lower. Is this larger than 0? Yep, is it enough to matter, no, not really. Being extremely pessimistic, we can say that all powered off devices plugged in vamp about 1w of power. At worst, my whole house would waste about 30wH. Over a day, that’s 720wH. A week is 5kwH, 20kwH/month, 241kwH a year. An average home for my homes size & area uses 12,632 kwh/year.

    Now, we put this a slightly more realistic scenario where most unused devices vamp between 0.4-0.1 (avg 0.2w), and 241kwH/yr -> 48kwH/year, or about 0.3% of my average household consumption.

    All that said, know what your devices pull. unplug or turn off the that are “big spenders” when idle. I turn off my printer and unplug TVs that rarely get used. Power strips help for things like stereo or home theater systems.

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    • DuncanIdaho@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Point I was making is that vampire devices have a cumulative effect over a population. Yes, you personally are not much energy, but add it up over the population and its still unneeded carbon into the atmosphere. Yeah it wont save us money, but its something along the way to a bigger effort (eg mixing with walking or cycling instead of driving).

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• Slartibartfass@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Martina Hill. Beschde

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• Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We deserve it !

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• RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  We were doomed the moment lead was put in gasoline.

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• LunaticSoda@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  what a crybaby

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