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Any time you're told that the weak and vulnerable are responsible for how bad things are, rather than the rich and powerful, you're being lied to

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ArseAssassin@sopuli.xyz⁩ to ⁨showerthoughts@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No no you don’t understand. It’s always the people with the least amount of economic power who are responsible for everything!

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  • CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The only dangerous minority is the rich.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And the claw people

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  • PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I mean yeah, but how is this a shower thought?

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    • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I thought about it in the shower

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      • 10EXP@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re not even the Arse Assassin though

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    • tdawg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s not really it’s just Lemmy being Lemmy

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    • GreenMario@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Is in the US.

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  • WheatleyInc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How exactly is this a shower thought? (I agree by the way, but how?)

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    • MataVatnik@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, this dude is using his shower as his political soapboax

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      • WheatleyInc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        ArseAssassin would never. How dare you accuse ArseAssassin of such things.

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    • MooseBoys@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I don’t think I’ve seen a legitimate shower thought on Lemmy ShowerThoughts.

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    • mortalglowworm@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean, who doesn’t think the dynamics of the society and power structures of the system and the injustice of it all during their showers? I personally find myself thinking about these, almost exclusively, on my showers. Is it an age thing, maybe?

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  • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Also one of the aspects of fascism

    The enemy or ‘other’ is both simultaneously weak and unworthy and should be defeated … and powerful and oppressive and is the cause of all problems.

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s not just fascism, that’s any time people villify an enemy. That is said by both major US parties.

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  • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Many of the weak and vulnerable are responsible for putting the rich and powerful into power though. Power is entirely a social construct. Bit of a paradox but that’s the way it is.

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    • CoderKat@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think the white is referring to minorities being scapegoated, though. While absolutely some people vote against their best interests, they often don’t have the numbers to make change themselves (eg, trans and NB people are maybe 1% of the population but getting severely attacked right now) or the system is constantly trying to screw them over (eg, black people are a sizable chunk of the population, but there’s countless efforts to restrict their ability to vote and keep them poor).

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      • JargonWagon@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The white?

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      • dx1@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh like minority scapegoats. In that case disregard.

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  • pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not always. Half of these putzes openly fight to protect the system because they benefit from exploiting their neighbors, too.

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  • randon31415@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Let us examine the couch movers analogy.

    A) If two people, A and B, who can lift 25 lb move a 50 lb couch, and A does not try 100%, whose fault is is that couch does not get moved? B) If A can lift 20 lb and B 30 lb, and A does not give 100%, whose fault is it then? C) If A can lift 30 lb and B 20 lb, and A does not give 100%, whose fault is it then? D) What if both can lift 20 lb?
    E) What if A can lift 100 lb and B can lift 20 lb? F) What if A can lift 20 lb and B can lift 100 lb? G) What if A and B can both lift 100 lb?

    I find it interesting that whose fault seemingly changes even if it is always assumed A is not giving 100% in all cases.

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    • ParsnipWitch@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think where this analogy falls short is that in reality it gets assumed everyone can lift the same if they just would give 100 %. And therefore one person always gets the blame since they are seemingly not giving enough.

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      • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Otherwise known as bootstraps.

        The thing assholes always tell you they pulled themselves up by, conveniently ignoring their rich, connected family and friends that was the biggest factor in their success.

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      • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There’s also a difference between fault, responsibility, and ability to do something. They’re interrelated, but they’re not equivalent. If A is able to move 100 pounds, but not obligated to do so and not trying then A is able, but not responsible and not at fault. If A can only lift 20 pounds, works as a mover and gives their best effort then A is unable to move the couch, responsible for moving the couch, but not at fault as they’ve done everything they can do to move the couch. I could go on but my point stands: it’s a weak, reductive metaphor.

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    • plantedworld@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Seems more like one person who could lift the couch one handed is sitting on it yelling at the person who can’t lift it by themselves

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  • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s a pretty incredible trick to convince people that those who, demonstrably, have the least power in society are responsible for all of its problems. What’s that thing about how there has to be an enemy, and that enemy has to simultaneously be weak, wretched and inferior but also strong enough to pose a threat that justifies an authoritarian response? I forget who tends to do that…

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  • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Not necessarily. I think that lying requires intent. Someone could tell me something verifiably false without lying because they truly believe it to be true.

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    • Mongostein@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Ok, so you’re being lied to by proxy

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      • staindundies@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m gonna have to steal that term for my own use

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  • BeautifulMind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Well, yeah.

    It’s not the powerless that made things how they are, it’s the powerful that shape the world.

    It’s also worth noting that when you’re powerful but don’t have the votes it takes to do a thing you want, the shortest path to getting those votes is unifying people around being mad at some sort of scapegoat.

    This is why fascism looks the way it does

    • it emerges from a democracy in some sort of crisis

    • it’s always that elites (a voting minority of powerful interests) need political support

    • the way they always get it is by focusing anger on a scapegoat, with promises to punish them

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  • MrCharles@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Only a Death-Eater uses absolutes.

    • Gandalf or some shit
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    • MellowSnow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Currently watching Lord of the Harry Witcher right now and can confirm this.

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  • MaxVoltage@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    lemmy is so based 🙏

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    • god@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Except for me 😎 I am cringe

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      • RW89@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You do you

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  • BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ever heard of underdogma?

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    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      What exactly are you trying to say here? That—because some guy thinks all of America’s problems are rooted in the left automatically siding with the little guy—the rich and powerful aren’t actually powerful?

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      • BeanCounter@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They sure are. And this world needs changes. But the claim here is just wrong. Being rich and powerful doesn’t make them automatically accountable for everything.

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    • HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The person who wrote that book is a political agent for the rich.

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  • HardNut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Anytime you’re told that group A is responsible for your problems rather than group B, you’re being lied to. Including this post

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    • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is some enlightened centrist crap. Some people are actually responsible for things. I thought that was obvious.

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      • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Jokes on you, it’s pretty obvios, that anti trans laws in 3rd world shitholes like Texas appeared out of nowhere/were matirialised by aliens!11!1

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      • HardNut@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re right people are responsible for things, you’re right that that’s obvious. In fact, it’s so obvious, it’s wrong of you to imply that my point suggested otherwise, because it obviously doesn’t. Your sentiment supports my comment, people are responsible for things, so if you have a problem with something, and you feel the need to blame someone for it, you should actually blame the right person. “The rich” are not a group of people united out of a common goal, and include all sorts of political and cultural sentiments, many of which you would support. Moreover, the post makes no suggestion as to what problems they’re talking about anyway, so you kinda just have to already believe “rich people” in general are the people responsible for any general set of problems you choose to believe. If you don’t see the flaw in this thinking, you’ve got a serious problem with political vitriol, and you need to stop blindly circle jerking everything you see on lemmy.

        The sad thing is, I know you’d agree with me if I said the exact same thing in a thread blaming socialists or Marxists or something. My opinion that you shouldn’t blame general problems on a general group of people for the sake of hating on them doesn’t change based on context.

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  • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Who’s responsible for how good things are?

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    • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Labor.

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Just to be clear, everything good is one group of people’s fault- and everything bad is another groups?

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    • bi_tux@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Are things good?

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      • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Better than in the past.

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    • scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Uh oh. You’re going against the narrative.

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    • Piers@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Delusion.

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  • NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    But what about your carbon footprint? Isn’t this all your fault for asking your boss for a cost-of-living pay rise?

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