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I cannot go back to Reddit! No really they gave me a site-wide ban, I can’t go back!
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Submitted 1 year ago by asmodeus@programming.dev to fediverse@lemmy.world
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HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Zithero@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I have a user that I made after my site-wide ban… but only for my Subreddit (Which I still cannot fully control)
Apparently stating: “Kick your local Nazi in the face, with a bullet” was offensive to the Reddit Admins.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 year ago
For me they counted actually reporting abuse thrown my way as “Report Abuse”
someacnt@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
I can be a data point, after initial enthusiasm I find myself spending less time on lemmy - which is not necessarily a bad thing. For me, it’s just that real life is getting precedence. Also this does not mean I left lemmy, will return again when the rough edges are sorted out.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s a difficult question, for starters people around here tend to misinterpret what you’re saying accidentally or willfully, far more than my experience with reddit previously. Idk if it’s because the place just filled with the worst of reddit or the dumbest of reddit, but it seems like reading comprehension is at an all time low.
Second, there needs to be clear divides between communities and their uses. When c/memes and c/linuxmemes have the same content, it’s going to give new users the impression that this place is for a very specific kind of person and then they’ll quit altogether.
vonbaronhans@midwest.social 1 year ago
On the first point, I can’t speak to the overall volume, but I can definitely say that people willfully misinterpreting me was a pretty common occurrence over on Reddit and definitely pushed me to comment less over time, just for the sake of my mental health. I don’t think I’ve been on Lemmy long enough to make a meaningful comparison though.
To add to your second point, Lemmy definitely feels very stale very quickly. Reddit, for all its faults, has a much larger user base with thousands of active communities. On Lemmy, even browsing the everything feed, I only see maybe a couple dozen new and interesting posts a day, and it only takes about 10 minutes of scrolling before I’m looking at stuff from days or weeks ago. Most communities I’ve tried to explore have one, maybe two posters. Subbing to a community often feels like subbing to one person and hoping it becomes a real community in the future.
I dunno if any of that will push me back to Reddit. If Lemmy doesn’t really fit me… I’ll probably just give up this last little bit of social media and just browse Imgur for memes when I want.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Tildes has a decent community that I’ve seen. It’s not fediverse but oh well, it seems more like a forum than content aggregation but that’s fine with me.
I’ll probably stay on lemmy but it really doesn’t have the user base for anything but a meme community IMO. Everything else is just Linux and Firefox arguments spilling over into everything else.
AttackBunny@lemmy.world 1 year ago
for starters people around here tend to misinterpret what you’re saying accidentally or willfully, far more than my experience with reddit previously.
Honestly, this is what has driven me away. No matter how innocuous something I say is, there are a bunch of “well, askshewly” asshats to argue an irrelevant part of your statement, or start the “whataboutism” shit. It’s exhausting, and frankly, takes all the fun out of it.
That and the bots reposting reddit shit. I may as well go back to reddit. Plus Narwhal is still working…
TheDramaLlama@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Reddit alternative is filled with Reddit Rejects
many such cases!
elskertesla@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Agreed. The userbase is a bit too homogeneous. Also if you say something remotely positive or try to bring some nuance to topics that have a strong circle jerk value on Lemmy you’ll get downvoted into oblivion.
MrPloppy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This definitely stifles healthy debate.
c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Exactly, you have an issue with their specific solution or just don’t agree with how extreme they are on a topic You’re just assumed to be an “enlightened centrist” and everyone will pile on no matter what.
Even if you reclarify to give an understanding of what you meant they’ll either claim you’re trying to lie or just ignore what you’re saying because they’d prefer to argue with their strawman.
SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel like my comments here have received more thoughtful responses than Reddit. I’m guessing it’s pretty community dependent and I’ve just lucked out so far.
elskertesla@lemmy.world 1 year ago
If you have the right opinions Lemmy can be a comfortable place.
n0m4n@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I haven’t found the depth of experience and quality depth in most of Lemmy, yet. Lemmy.world is an exception.*
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All right people forget how long it took for reddit to actually become popular. And how many people actually lurked on reddit for literal years before actually making an active account.
MrMusAddict@lemmy.world 1 year ago
On Reddit, I was mainly subscribed to a few niche subreddits. By reddit’s standards, that’s still like 100k subscribers. But over here, even though there might be 1000 people subscribed to those same niche communities, the 90-9-1 rule still applies. Either the community has one super-spammy power user trying to boost life into the community, or there’s just no one actually posting anything.
I’m getting enough of a fix to stay on Lemmy and wade out the peace and quiet, but I do long for the engagement of 50k+ users on a truly niche topic. My willingness to stay on Lemmy has been helped by me starting to re-utilize off-site forums specifically to those niches. But I can totally understand how it just feels dead to a lot of the Reddit exodus.
Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah, that’s my problem with Lemmy right now, I don’t see the discussions I am used to finding on Reddit.
For example- the new balance datasheet for Warhammer 40K came out, and I wanted to see what the changes actually were and what they meant for my faction (Leagues of Votann), but that conversation wasn’t happening. I could start it myself, but I am ignorant - I still don’t know enough about Warhammer to understand the effects of the changes. I checked the Leagues of Votann discord, but couldn’t find any reasonable conversations. I tried going back to when the datasheet was released to follow the conversation, but it was hard to follow, and the app kept resetting me to the newest statements. I had to go back to reddit to see what people were saying.
alcamtar@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Interesting. I actually preferred the subreddits that were kind of quiet, where 50 votes was a super popular post and got maybe two dozen responses at most. Any more than that and it starts to become noise. But then I have niche interests and I’m older. Zoomers seem to thrive on the chaos and have no problem with a rapidly scrolling chat window or a 1000+ comments on a post. I prefer a thoughtful audience to a large one, and longer well formed posts. (Not meaning zoomers aren’t thoughtful, they just maybe communicate it differently)
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I used to hit some niche subreddits but after about a year the recycling of the same posts and the same predictable comments became mind numbing.
cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
My pet peve is using splines to interpolate charts like this.
Just don’t do it. It makes baby animals cry and creates false trends which don’t exist.
WanderingCrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
All the people saying there is no content, should also create the content they wish to see. It’s the only way to grow, even if we’re talking to ourselves for a bit.
Faustus@feddit.ch 1 year ago
I’m trying! I created a community for fans of professional/competitive cycling a month ago. Thirty subscribers so far, but only one single comment in the time, and it was pointing out an error I made (no complaint, it was a fair point). I’ll keep at it for a while, but it’s hard (and demotivating) trying to have a one sided conversation.
Polydot@lemmy.world 1 year ago
you’re super valuable for the community, just know that. It’s a most thankless job but it’s such an amazing one to be done.
WanderingCrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Absolutely understand, it’s daunting and honestly hard to do. I tried to make it as non-accussatory as possible, as I’m sure all of us can try harder. The site which shall not be named kinda made it easy to lurk lol
PutangInaMo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve tried to participate but it doesn’t seem to encourage others to do the same. There’s just not enough people on here…
WanderingCrow@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Totally get it, I find myself being as guilty of failing to adhere to my own advice!
DNOS@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Its not easy to search for communitys …
lemmyingly@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think it’s too early to comment on the user numbers increasing/decreasing. Let’s see what it looks like in 6-12 months time.
I’ve seen a few posts complaining about Lemmy on Lemmy and Reddit. It’s generally the same complaints; so these should be addressed.
CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 1 year ago
It might be a good idea to see where it stabilizes before worry about making it more popular. You can see how big the surge was. There was probably always going to be a dip.
What qualifies as an active user might also effect those numbers. Lots of people created an account on every instance because they didn’t understand federation.
millie@lemmy.film 1 year ago
Lemmy needs proper moderation tools. Currently if someone posts an image you have to take like a dozen steps in a command line to delete it, and it doesn’t delete from federated instances when removed by moderators.
So let’s say you access lemmy.world through lemmy.film. Anything federated to lemmy.film through lemmy.world that’s deleted due to content moderation will still appear on lemmy.film until it’s deleted manually.
Couple this with an influx of malicious users and you’ve got a nasty situation on your hands that isn’t sustainable for instance hosts while putting them at significant legal risk.
On the user experience end of things, people seem determined to flood the all feed with bot spam and it seems as though the more hostile tide of reddit users and plants sponsored by bad actors have showed up to play.
Lemmy’s devs need to give some indication that they can even be bothered to glance in the direction of producing more robust moderation and federation tools.
Fluffyb@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Lemmy is only developed by 2 people full time. They have no where near the manpower of Reddit. Things just take time.
millie@lemmy.film 1 year ago
That’s definitely a fair take, but it doesn’t really eliminate the issue. I know Beehaw offered to pay to have some of this stuff done and were turned down. With the project being as substantial as it is, maybe it wouldn’t be a bad idea to accept some of that money and hire a third set of eyes.
wahming@monyet.cc 1 year ago
I understand many of the 3rd party apps are implementing mod tools on top of the native lemmy functionality, so you might want to look into that
noodle@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It’s time for Lemmy devs to really think about the pain points and how to address them.
It’s clear that federation isn’t working as intended. Because of that, moderation is too difficult. Defederation has been a major drama for Lemmy, which is only being made more likely given these complaints have not been addressed.
Then there’s the curse of choice that makes gaining non-tech users a lost cause. It is leading to extreme fragmentation which makes people drift back to their busier platforms.
These issues need to be addressed or Lemmy will be MySpaced within a year.
RoundSparrow@lemm.ee 1 year ago
These issues need to be addressed or Lemmy will be MySpaced within a year.
Lemmy is already well over 4 years on the Internet and open source.
noodle@feddit.uk 1 year ago
Neither of the two points you’ve made address what I said. Maybe you misunderstood. By “MySpaced” I mean “become irrelevant”.
Being open source won’t prevent this, sadly. 4 years is still young, but if a critical mass shifts back to Reddit then Lemmy will be considered a failure.
PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Doesn’t help when you have a moderator for a community as big as KDE that tells users looking for help to learn to code. Looking at you, @Bro666@lemmy.kde.social. Suppose to be a support community, and if anyone reports an issue or concern, he calls them rude and dismisses them with a repost of his article to go code it yourself. That’s helpful to no one. If I were new to Lemmy and KDE, that would have made me leave both.
Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
One of the biggest things that has kept me off Linux is how toxic the community is.
Polar@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Truth.
I try linux probably 2 times per year, every year, and at least hop between 5+ distros. Every time I run into issues, I ask the community, and I am completely shit on.
“Go back to microsoft you dumb fuck”. Like ok. Didn’t realize a distro completely nuking itself by me clicking update in the software manager was a me problem, but sure.
Every time you comment something like this, nice people come in and tell you how the Linux community is so accepting, followed by 30 comments telling you to kill yourself lmao.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think tech support is inherently bad for the soul.
I volunteered some time answering a few questions on a few Linux forums and chat rooms, at least the ones I could answer, and over time I would get more and more annoyed at the people who wouldn’t help me help them: unable to actually describe their problem or the steps they’ve already tried, and sometimes becoming aggressive towards me when my first suggestion was something they either already tried.
But obviously it’s wrong to take it out on Bob just because you were previously annoyed with Alice in an earlier interaction. Still, over time, it starts to leak into your interactions with new people who don’t deserve it, and the repetitive iterations start to foster a particular toxic attitude that requires you to walk away. At this point my contributions are shielded away from actual people, where I fix things in wikis or documentation, rather than actually helping people troubleshoot real live issues.
uis@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To be fair he probably hears suggestions that would only 10 people ever use every day, every week, every month, every year. Also lemmy is not place for bugreports, go to KDE bugzilla or whatever they have.
amju_wolf@pawb.social 1 year ago
But you can still deal with that respectably, or just not comment at all if you can’t do it in a representative way.
PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
That mean his response is helpful to the community.
Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Definitely, thanks for pointing out.
I always encourage people to leave toxic moderation for better communities. Good thing is in Lemmy there is always an alternative, even if smaller
Nyanix@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I also feel like that’s to be expected, I bet big companies see graphs just like this too. There was anger and hype for a lot of people to move to a new platform. Many did, but it didn’t become the new habit for everyone. That’s not a failure of Lemmy. In fact, I’d say this is an impressive metric, especially considering we do not know what defines “active”. Is logging in what mark someone as active? Upvoting? Commenting? We should see this graph as a big win, especially during Lemmy’s infancy.
stankmut@lemm.ee 1 year ago
We do know what defines active. An active user on Lemmy is someone who has made a post or comment within the last month.
Nyanix@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Ah, excellent, thank you so much for answering that!
spaduf@slrpnk.net 1 year ago
There’s still a lot of low hanging development fruit. All that downtime the bigger instances have are largely the result of poorly optimized database interactions (with the exception of the DDoSing) and that works out to higher costs overall. It should not cost instance admins nearly as much as it does to host a sum total of 50k users. Not to mention, moderation tools are still basically nonexistent.
Also there’s no point recruiting from Reddit anymore. I think we are better off establishing a wholly new slow growth phase pulling primarily from Mastodon. The userbase is huge by our standards and already understands federation. Not to mention Mastodon users tend to be far more active posters than Reddit users.
50gp@kbin.social 1 year ago
better that it doesnt grow uncontrollably to something the admins cant keep up with (both server costs and moderation with insufficient tools)
nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
I want to remind everyone that Lemmy has had a bot crisis, a while ago I did some research into botted instances and I estimated something like 40% of user accounts are bots. Although this was a while ago so I’m not sure if that is remotely accurate anymore
Many instances will have taken steps to start purging user accounts, at the scale of Lemmy, that downturn could be entirely explained by these bots being removed
Obviously some users will leave but i do feel it’s worth noting this fact
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A number of those bots are meant to share posts from other sites on Lemmy. There’s actually a lot of background interconnectivity like that going on right now.
As long as the bots aren’t doing nefarious things, is that a bad thing?
I don’t believe so.
nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
There’s nothing wrong with those kind of bots But when you take an instance for example granitestate.social, I think that’s what it’s called, which when I was looking into it had 100,000 inactive accounts sat there doing nothing.
These bots that have been created over the course of maybe a week could be used to spam or brigade instances. Emphasis on COULD, maybe they just sit there. Who knows?
But many instances took to purging idle bot accounts that had been created on their instances and defedrating from instances that had excessive numbers of bots
These idle accounts are hard to detect, so only when they appear in large quantities are they removable.
Just to clear up really I guess, I’m not talking about a Reddit repost bot or twitter scraper, more large amounts of bot spam.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yep growth doesn’t come all at once it goes up and it goes down, just like stocks.
blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 year ago
**I think this is also heavily related to the CSAM issue, because
A.) Its horrible to read about in the first place B.) Its makes users more reluctant to browse content in general C.) It makes users more reluctant to browse content at work or in public places
I think that scared off many users (it also scared me off a bit). I think if Lemmy finds a solution to fight this kind of stuff and gives users some reassurance that the problem is handled will bring many users back. I think the importance of content moderation and SPAM defense should be the biggest learning points of the first Lemmy loop.
lemann@lemmy.one 1 year ago
I don’t really use Lemmy in public due to fear of this, I sometimes alsk disable images on my app prior to browsing /all
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] 1 year ago
My question is how has 4chan usage looked since reddit bullshit?
Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
Good question. Compare against our competition, because I’ve read article stating less people are online right now entirely. Which makes sense, a lot of young people just went back to school. We should see it go back up again in a month or two.
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] 1 year ago
That makes a lot of sense.
Zeth0s@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you consider 4chan competition?
It’s 4chan, it’s in its own category of craziness
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was wondering why the quality of posts dramatically increased recently
kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 year ago
I doubt we have public stats for 4chan
HotsauceHurricane@lemmy.one [bot] 1 year ago
Probably right.
ohlaph@lemmy.world 1 year ago
How?
Be the change you want ro see. Activity participate on Lemmy.
ensignrick@startrek.website 1 year ago
Imo. Lemmy is doing great. I feel like this was expected after such a huge expansion. Never could expect everyone to stay. I stood up my own instance in early June and it’s technically still up but I’ll probably be bringing it down soon as I feel comfortable here on startrek.website and support the cause.
DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Blame lurkers posting nothing but upvoting.
There’s hundreds of posts on “all” every day without a single comment
Tolos@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I feel personally attacked
nicktron@kbin.social 1 year ago
Good. Shame on you!
miridius@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love Lemmy but I find the extreme pro-FOSS bias and hatred of everything else to be pretty abrasive and not conducive to useful or interesting discussion. And that’s coming from someone who both loves to use and contribute to FOSS. But my preferred desktop OS isn’t Linux which apparently according to the Lemmy hivemind is a big no-no.
I think more Lemmy users need to learn that the upvote and downvote buttons aren’t meant to be used to indicate agreement and disagreement respectively, it’s to indicate if a comment is valuable contribution to the discussion regardless of whether or not you agree.
In a post discussing Chrome, a few comments about alternative browsers make sense. But if there are 100s and 100s of comments all just saying some variation of “switch to Firefox otherwise you suck” and those are the only ones that are upvoted, then the whole comment section becomes pointless.
Lonnie123@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think more Lemmy users need to learn that the upvote and downvote buttons aren’t meant to be used to indicate agreement and disagreement respectively, it’s to indicate if a comment is valuable contribution to the discussion regardless of whether or not you agree.
Not saying I disagree in any way, but this will never ever happen. Its the same idea on reddit and its basically been a lost fight, its the “I like/dont like this comment” button 99% of the time, and I just dont see widespread adoption of the “quality of content” idea ever taking hold on a site that is open to the gen public.
The same kind of applies to your 3rd point… Why people feel the need to add a 4,600 “I like firefox” to a thread about Chrome I will never know, but they do and always will.
blue_berry@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I love Lemmy but I find the extreme pro-FOSS bias and hatred of everything else to be pretty abrasive and not conducive to useful or interesting discussion. And that’s coming from someone who both loves to use and contribute to FOSS. But my preferred desktop OS isn’t Linux which apparently according to the Lemmy hivemind is a big no-no.
I guess that will come over time once Lemmy’s feature stabilize and it will attract more people.
Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 1 year ago
Less is more
Flex@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This is to be expected. The question now is where will it stabilize amd will it start growing again after?
buzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There were no fucking apps available.
Apps are now available but reddit wave is over.So go back to reddit and tell people apps are here finally.
TheAlbatross@startrek.website 1 year ago
[deleted]buzz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think I’m still searching myself.
But recently tried voyager - and I think I like it.One thing - u can import your subreddit. Its like it will show u what Lemmy channels are available that resemble ur subs. Another thing - it has easy communities search. I think I tentatively like it.
Mio@feddit.nu 1 year ago
I use Jerboa
shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s fine, it doesn’t need to be popular
un_aristocrate@jlai.lu 1 year ago
SELL!!
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I got three fiddy on it.
wtry@lemm.ee 1 year ago
more plateauing than losing I think
redimk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Isn’t this ok? I’m not saying it’s better… just OK?
I don’t know if this is just me but why is there always a race to be the “most popular/larger platform”?
Isn’t this kind of race to be the most popular the reason why a lot of platforms/companies/jobs/games/etc are suffering today? Growth for the sake of growth and forcing something to be more popular just because it needs to be more popular is just kind of sad.
It’s not like “corporate fediverse/lemmy” needs more users… At least this is my opinion.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s not growth for the sake of growth, it’s growth for the sake of network effects.
More users = more content. I can’t be the only one to feel the draw to Reddit since there’s still often more active discussions there.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Only a fraction of any users on any platform actually post anything. You can already see that number of posts isn’t slowing in the third graph.
This is a perfectly healthy for a new platform in a competitive environment.
Look at Twitter’s early growth for a similar story.