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I’ll believe that when my sisters start saying this. Till then, it’s just us privacy fans screaming in a dark cave, enjoying the echo.
"Cancel ChatGPT" movement goes mainstream after OpenAI closes deal with U.S. Department of War — as Anthropic refuses to surveil American citizens
Submitted 2 weeks ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
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perishthethought@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Xorg_Broke_Again@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s always like this. We get a ton of articles on how everyone is suddenly boycotting/deleting [insert thing] but when you ask someone in real life, they usually have no idea what you’re talking about.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
so explain it to them gently. you won’t reach everyone, but you’ll reach more people than accepting this status quo
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The one thing I will say is that there does seem to be a generalized dislike for AI that has all the investors and upper management types nervous. Even by their own studies do people generally either not care about AI in their products or actively dislike it/find it intrusive. There was a study by a phone company from this past summer or fall that concluded that 80% of their users had no interest in AI or found that it actively made their experience worse, and there have been plenty of pretty damning reports about how useful it’s been in various industries (just look at Microslop). That is not conducive to convincing investors to fund your product and does not show a viable path to making a profit in the future.
We’ve seen similar things happening recently with car manufacturers walking back on their big touchscreens (with some help from regulation in civilized places that care about things like “pedestrian fatalities” - like Europe) due to consumer sentiment. They tried for nearly a decade to push bigger and bigger screens into cars and remove physical buttons, and now they’re moving in the other direction. Completely anecdotal evidence, but the last time I went to buy a car I told the salesman at the dealership that I wasn’t interested in cars newer than a certain year because that was when they increased the size of the screen and put them in a more obnoxious spot on the dashboard, and he said that he heard similar sentiments from practically everybody who came in looking to buy a car - everybody hated the bigger screens.
criscodisco@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I had a coworker tell me how cool Copilot was because he asked it a question and it found the answer in an email in his outlook mailbox. I thought, “you needed AI to search your email?”
We are probably cooked.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know what you mean. It’s a pretty vague term though. You could argue that as soon as it enters the midsection of the bell curve at all, it’s “in the mainstream.” It doesn’t have to have captured a full 90% of the bell curve.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Windows Central shouldn’t be parroting the U.S. government in mislabeling the Department of Defense.
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I mean it’s at least accurate now, there is no defense when you are starting war with everyone
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But MAGA only voted for the department of pedophiles. This is an outrage.
lmdnw@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Especially since the Trump admin already made it clear that they don’t respect preferred pronouns. Why should we use the DoD’s preferred pronouns of Department of War instead of the Department of Defense name it legally has? DoW is just DoD’s preferred pronoun.
joyjoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Its like it joined a cult and got a new name.
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Yeah, there are all sorts of ways in which standing up to the administration is hard, but calling something by its actual name should be a relatively easy thing to do!
skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They aren’t defending shit
Ugurcan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Windows Central should be advocating for return of Windows Phone.
huppakee@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I think you’re in denial. If they had changed the name of Homeland Security into the dep of National Security for example, you probably wouldn’t say that media outlets is parroting the us government.
Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Because it’s still officially called the Department of Defense; only Congress can rename it.
More broadly, it illustrates the administration’s use of illegal boat strikes and regime change as a foreign policy tool.
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I would.
raskal@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Canada recently has had its 2nd worst school shooting ever. The killer had many interactions with ChatGPT that warranted banning her account. A whistleblower has claimed that they wanted to inform Canada’s police force of these comments but were denied by ChatGPT’s management.
They had a chance to stop the death of 8 people, most of which were young children, but failed to do anything.
FUCK CHATGPT AND THOSE BASTARDS THAT RUN IT
lmdnw@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sam Altman is objectively a bad human being.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Sam Altman is just some fail upward money guy, he’s been eventually removed from basically every prior position he has held.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Seems like his career has largely been lying and making impossible promises, so. The folks who do that well always manage to exit the stage before the magic tincture is revealed to just be piss 🤷♂️
jaennaet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
That doesn’t mean he can’t also be an objectively bad human being
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The more I learn about this guy, the more amazed I am that his staffers stood up for him when he got fired. I guess they just hated the board more.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
he did meet his future husband through one “THIELS party”, most likely his other protege.
cloudskater@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I cannot believe this is what it took for a boycott to go more mainstream. Tell me more about how so many people have no respect for the environment or the artists who’s work they gleefully consume.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Anthropic still is scum for being completely fine helping America oppress the rest of the world.
XLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Anthropic being scum, accepting money from foreign dictators, forcing their software on minorities while insisting it was human just like them, praising the Trump administration, making up scary stories to get more funding…
…In many ways, they’re worse than OpenAI. They’re just running with the same playbook that Sam Altman used to use to pretend he was a good guy.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I mean they praised the Trump administration for benefiting their business, which is… fair? I guess?
If you do ask Claude Sonnet 4.6 about Trump it leans quite negative, as it should.
FalschgeldFurkan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“You’re absolutely right! That was a children’s hospital, not a military base. Let’s try that again!”
architect@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Actually it’s so they have plausible deniability if they “accidentally” kill a bunch of people that just so happens to be a group they openly despise.
I think that’s way way worse but
David_Eight@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The Department of War isn’t a real thing. Its called The Department of Defense. That’s not my opinion either, its officially/legally called The Department of Defense.
Miaou@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
Department of War is more apt, however
TheSeveralJourneysOfReemus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
From DoD tu dud real quick
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I think you missed some news. There is officially a Department of War again.
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Only Congress can change the name of the Department of Defense, and not only has it not passed any legislation to do so, but the most National Defense Authorization Act, which was passed after Trump’s executive order, only mentions the “Department of Defense” and never the “Department of War”.
So, no, there is not officially a Department of War, there continues to only officially be a Department of Defense.
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
war.gov
totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
The fact that the Trump administration can create web sites saying whatever it pleases does not make the name change legitimate.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Use for “all lawful means” is quite the grey area considering no one was arrested or fired, or any law updated, for what Snowden leaked. If the NSA does it, no one will arrest the NSA.
frog_brawler@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I laughed when I read “all lawful means.”
Those are almost the exact words that you’re supposed to use for a NFA form 1 / 4 when registering certain types of firearms / firearms parts that require a tax stamp, and additional scrutiny.
When I did my SBR registration, it was “all lawful purposes…” but fuck, close enough…
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
You should also stop using Google products for similar reasons.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or have never used their crap, ever.
yabbadabaddon@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
No, I don’t think this is correct. There was a time during which Google did great things. Their search engine allowed millions if not billions to gain access to knowledge. They had a positive impact on a lot of FOSS projects. What they were is not what they are.
qualia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Mass surveillance for advertising seems marginally more benign than mass surveillance by one’s own government, personally. Though admittedly both are bad.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The mission statement is irrelevant when the outcome is the same. Google has data a hostile power wants and goes it to them whenever they want.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Mass surveillance for advertising is just gross. I remember a comedian making a joke saying that ‘anyone here in advertising? Please kill yourself!’ Also just because someone got all the info on your for advertising, it doesn’t mean the government won’t get access to it, because right now 4th amendment and other traditional restrictions on government overreach are moot if all they need to do is buy the data from some broker on you. This has actually happened and it was upheld in court.
The precedent for stuff like that is older than you think, but also not what you think. For example some serial killers and serial bank robbers were caught because some homeless person searched through their trash looking for something they can use, eat, or sell (all of these things are legal to do BTW) and they discover things like body parts, firearms, or brand new clothes that also fit the clothes that said criminal was wearing when they did their crimes, and said homeless people reported this to the police.
But I am quite confident that someone who just so happens to stumble upon something vs. a company watching your every move are two very different things.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
I just got grapheneOS on my new phone (it is a google pixel 10, but it is the one that can handle that…) I needed a client to use my gmail which will probably be the last thing I get rid of.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Are they shipping Graphene for the 10 now?
wabasso@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
If it’s the sending and receiving part of email, I’ve switched to purelymail (you could pick another) and put it behind my custom domain name. Because behind a custom domain, that’s the last time you’ll have to update your contacts as it won’t be dependent on which email provider you choose.
Searching through decades of old emails I do still use the Gmail account, but I just have to get off my butt to self host a local SMTP server for that.
Kissaki@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Did they make contracts with them?
InternetPerson@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
They have multiple contracts in the military sector.
For example: datacenterdynamics.com/…/google-wins-200m-contrac…
CanadianMade@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sazruk@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Hell yeah!
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
🫡 I’m going to try pressure my employer to do the same. Like is this thing saving anybody money??
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
After Anthropic refused flat out to agree to apply Claude AI to autonomous weapons and mass surveillance of American citizens, OpenAI jumps right into bed with the United States Department of War.
I think people are a little bit missing the important bit. This government wants to send out autonomous weapons along with mass surveillance. They’ll just murder anyone they want, if the AI gets it right in the first place.
Here we are in Running Man and no one sees it coming. This is why Stephen King is so against this administration. He predicted it.
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Also, mass surveillance. Not surveillance itself. And fully autonomous weapons.
Don’t get distracted by the birdy folks, Anthropic is not your friend, or some great protector of the American people. They were already deeply embedded in the US Government as their product was the only one certified for use with classified documents.
They weren’t standing up for us, they were splitting hairs on exactly how far they’d openly go.
I’ve also seen statements that Anthropic’s stance against fully autonomous weapons was simply due to results not yet being as consistent as they were comfortable putting their name on, not due to any opposition towards use in/with weaponry.
OpenAI also claims to have the same limitations. So someone’s lying.
Hackworth@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Amodei said in an interview that the DoW altered their contract to appear to compromise, so that it looked like they were agreeing to those use limits. But that legalese accompanying the updates rendered that text pointless. Basically, “We won’t use Claude for mass domestic surveillance and full automated killing, unless we really want to.” My guess is OpenAI signed the exact same contract and just pretended not to understand the toothlessness of the guardrails.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I can’t believe people were paying for it in the first place.
morto@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
One more boycott I can’t join because I never touched the company lol
pemptago@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I can’t believe now we (Americans) have to pay for it with our tax dollars.
XLE@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Even if there weren’t defense contracts, these companies are enjoying massively reduced water and electricity access, while it becomes more inaccessible and more expensive for everybody else.
boogiebored@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So many companies are cozying up to the fascist regime as this is the late stage of capitalism.
A list of some of these companies: https://x.com/vxunderground/status/2024200204296061089?s=20
turdburglar@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
nice headline, but wtf is windows central?
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Dude the only guardrails are
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No fully automated killings
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No mass surveillance
You could literally do anything else, you could automate killing people with a person approving.
Trump booted anthropic because they couldn’t lift these two guardrails. Fuck me
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JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
From OpenAI’s statement:
We have three main red lines that guide our work with the DoW, which are generally shared by several other frontier labs:
• No use of OpenAI technology for mass domestic surveillance.
• No use of OpenAI technology to direct autonomous weapons systems.
• No use of OpenAI technology for high-stakes automated decisions (e.g. systems such as “social credit”).
It specifically states their AI can’t/won’t be used for surveillance and autonomous weapons. Of course I’m not saying I trust them, but isn’t this the same thing Anthropic says they’re against? What’s the difference here or what did I miss?
SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I’d argue that an armed uprising would have a greater effect than a smaller internet-based boycott but I’m just some random guy on some niche internet forum so… who’s to say?
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yea, I can just imagine OpenAI is really struggling with their business decision.
On the one hand, they have multi-billion dollar contracts with the US Military that will make them all fabulously wealthy beyond their wildest dreams.
On the other, they have a handful of individuals leaving that might amount to a few thousand dollars of lost revenue.
Gosh, it must sure be a tough decision for them.
pnelego@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m wondering if this is a play for a future bailout. OpenAI knows they are fucked; and instead of just going away like most companies do when they fail, they are embedding themselves in the government to secure a bailout under the guise of a critical defence vendor.
Furthermore, I’m not convinced the researchers and critical personnel will work for a company that does this. I think we’re about to see the biggest jumping of a ship so far in the industry.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I am canceling my subscription now. Fuckers.
digital_digger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just the little push I needed to close my ChatGPT account
awaysaway@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Glad that I’ve switched platforms. sam altman should probably be in prison or something.
I’ve been using Venice lately, they claim (I have done zero research to determine if this is true) that they’re privacy focused. They do run uncensored models, which is a big plus.
That said, I find myself using the lying machine less these days. It was like a fun video game when I first got my hands on it, entertaining for a while, and I’m moving on. Maybe I’m not imaginative enough to use it to the fullest potential, but I’m having more fulfillment actually writing and actually drawing (even though I am very bad at both).
trackball_fetish@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
Anyone stockpiling ai prompt vulnerabilities for when we’ll eventually need them to fight off some deathbots?
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah instead of arguing over whether Anthropic is actually good, let’s unite around “fuck OpenAI.”
Fmstrat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Since this article, Anthropic’s Claude AI app has claimed the #1 top spot over ChatGPT on both Android and iOS.
lumettaria@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Now imagine my shock when I had done the swap from ChatGPT to Claude the day before the news about Anthropic’s (now backpedalled) deal. Anyway, I deleted ChatGPT and Gemini accounts and degoogled my life while I was at it.
Ancalagon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh the stupidity, they already burn cash in dumpsters, they were always supplementing that with the users paying for it. The billionaires don’t give a shit, it’s a surveillance system not a chat box.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
They went from standing with Anthropic to throwing them under the bus real fast
floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Sam Altman messages
timestatic@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
They probably have been working on a potential agreement with openai for a while now. They just hastily finished it in response to anthropic. But I don’t know if they will keep the red lines anthropic has demanded in place
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
$$$
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Which they badly need, they are in an incredibly risky position right now. It’s very disappointing, this deal might save them from collapse for quite a while.
ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
It was always about the money.