Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report::undefined
TFW a wifi transfer literally loads files from your phone faster than a fucking cable.
Apple to Limit iPhone 15 USB-C Cables to USB 2.0 Speeds: Report
Submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/apple-to-limit-iphone-15-usb-c-cables-to-usb-20-speeds-report
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MentalEdge@ani.social 1 year ago
TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s the point. Expect the iPhone 17 to be portless to the consumer.
hackitfast@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There has to be a USB-C. Some people will always want wires to transfer data, even if it’s through their “wireless charger”, which is proprietary.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I dont know anyone who transfers anything besides power to the iphone via cable. What are you doing? Syncing it with itunes?
nexas_XIII@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Apple car play would be a bitch if I don’t have a port since it doesn’t have wireless carplay. And my car is a 2023
Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Well if you don’t want to subscribe to iCloud, how can you do it except with iTunes?
To be honest I’d really want to be able to create an image of my iPhone and back it up on my kdrive (a cloud storage service).
danc4498@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This was my thought exactly. I would sooner transfer over Wi-Fi than cable. This is a charging port to me.
AbsolutelyNotCats@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Amazing how this company is so successful knowing they’re just scamming their clients
Oneobi@lemmy.world 1 year ago
And yet their anti-consumer practices continues to be hailed by their loyal customer base.
It’s mind blowing.
“A fool and his money are soon parted.”
Chriszz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oh? Can I voice my opinion here that people suck off apple despite how shitty they are? Are we doing this?
whatisallthis@lemm.ee 1 year ago
When you’re the biggest shop in your town it’s because you do good work.
When you’re the biggest shop in the world it’s because you’re scamming your clients.
bookmeat@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Apple fanboys drooling over the company as it continues to shit on them.
Michal@programming.dev 1 year ago
I doubt your typical apple user will use the usb port for anything other than charging.
1847953620@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Number 2 is probably a bigger deal than people realize. They want to save face.
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
ITT people pretending this is a spite based move, when realistically it is probably cutting costs by reusing the same hardware they used for lightning ports just soldering on a USB-C port instead of a lightning one.
Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 year ago
A shining example of cutting edge Apple innovation
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I mean, it’s not like it matters much. Most of apple devices actually expected to transfer data over wire are on thunderbolt already aren’t they? Frankly I’m a little surprised they switched to C on 15 already, iirc they could have still released this cycle on lightning according to EU regulation (I think it only comes in effect end of 2024, right?) It comes to me as no surprise that they use up the controllers they had for lightning before they roll out thunderbolt. It will probably be 2.0 for base and thunderbolt for pro this cycle and likely thunderbolt for all next cycle. That would be the apple m/o.
lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 year ago
Are you trying to suggest the company that invented rounded corners isn’t innovative enough?!
Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
dude usb 3.0 is 15 years old by now, and they’re a trillion dollar company. They’ll manage, this is 100% by choice
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
On a thousand dollar phone
Fauzruk@lemmy.world 1 year ago
One could argue that you don’t become a trillion dollar company by leaving money on the table.
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yes, the choice being the respective SoCs not needing 3.0 support because they were intended to be used with lightning connectors.
nathris@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The SoC lacks the hardware. Even the USB C iPads with A series chips operate at 2.0 speeds. They can only do 5Gbit in host mode, like with an external SSD. Plugged in to a computer they are 2.0.
I would imagine future chips will have the capability, once the Pro chips trickle down to the base models.
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yea, well, there you go. Pretty much straight up supports my original claim. If they need to full on change the SoC why in the hell would they fork up to support thunderbolt on iphones.
wieli99@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
You think this more likely than just creating a bigger artificial difference between the standard and normal model?
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think that is most likely a lot of what drives that divide, but this almost certainly the case for the port. Some shit undoubtedly is software locked, and that is in fact scummy, but new hardware will always be more expensive than hardware you have already designed and maybe even have lying around.
To get thunderbolt in there they probably need a new board specifically for the iphone, while they can just cram in the lightning version with a new solder job and call it a day.
At the end of the day 95+% of the people who will use their phones will only use the port for charging anyway.
3laws@lemmy.world 1 year ago
by reusing the same hardware
I’m sure their engineers are competent enough to repurpose she iPad Pro’s TB4 hardware.
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Two factors. Do they still have lightning hardware sitting on shelves? Do they need to design to fit the iphone form factor? If the answer is yes to either of these, designing for TB this release cycle seems non-sensical when most people only use the cable to charge their phones.
PeachMan@lemmy.one 1 year ago
That, and also, how many iPhone users do you think will actually notice slower USB speeds? One percent? They literally do not need 3.0 to keep their customers happy. And they’re not going to poach many Android fanboys with this change, so who cares?
DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 year ago
I’m going over…
RIP Firefox phone and Samsung Pure.
netburnr@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m with you, people use the cable for power, it’s pretty rare to use them for data transfers. He’ll moving to a new phone is all wireless, just set them next to each other.
dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I believe it’s both. Apple said that they’d be compliant with the EU regulations of having usb-c as a port for any cell phone with a charging port. I don’t remember the exact wording, but a valid interpretation was that usb-c is not required if the device has no charging port. I believe apple is moving towards exclusively QI-charging and wireless connection. Reducing the capability of wired connections would in that case just be a way to move the users towards the planned infrastructure.
So it’s both a spiteful move regarding the regulations, but also a move which reduces costs and pushes users their desired way.
Album@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
ITT: people who don’t realize that most USB-C cables are USB 2.0
bizzle@midwest.social 1 year ago
Which is fine, I have a full speed USBC cable and it’s a thicc boi that I certainly wouldn’t want to shove in my pocket all the time and the 2.0 speed ones still charge my laptop even. But Apple is limiting the PORT, not the cable, which isn’t cool.
DrRatso@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Because they are probably using the same controller, just rewired to usbc, there are videos of this modification being done aftermarket.
Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They can’t limit the cables, they don’t even come with the phone anymore
aleph@lemm.ee 1 year ago
This is irrelevant.
We’re talking about smartphones here, and most new Android phones support > 3.0.
Album@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
The article only really has facts about the 2.0 cable, anything said about the device is speculated.
p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
most new Android phones support > 3.0
Where do you find that information? Do you know of a reviewer that benchmarks the USB transfer rate of Android phones?
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 1 year ago
IIRC current iphones with lightning connector are still using USB 2.0 and only ipad pro actually has USB 3. I could be wrong though.
jpeps@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Do you actually connect your phone for anything other than charging? Not trying to poke at you, I’m just honestly surprised this is a big issue for anyone really.
Rootiest@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Sure but most USB-C Android devices can at least manage USB 3.0 speeds
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
There’s a difference between connector and protocol version. But they are all backwards compatible.
4am@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Then they’re not standards compliant and they can’t claim to have usb-c on their phones. I wonder how that will work out for them?
hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
USB-C is the physical form. Does it actually dictate USB3?
downdog5@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
f314@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The port on the phone supports transfer speeds up to 20 or 40 gbps, it’s just the supplied charging cable that is limited to USB 2.0 speeds. If you use a thunderbolt cable you will get full speed and a full feature set.
lustrum@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
That’s not what the article says.
JokeDeity@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You’re likely not aware of all the facts. See, they’re required to put the USB C port in because Apple has been getting away with bullshit for decades that needs to stop. There’s zero reason for all the proprietary shit they force users to use that ends up creating millions of tons of plastic waste. So they decided to be extra massive cunts and are putting BOTH options on the phone instead of just using the one that every other phone does just fine with, creating a TON of plastic waste, and then, the kicker, forcing you to buy both cords anyhow if you want things to be fast.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Technically, they are. Type C is just port shape. Protocol version is a different matter, however newer versions are backwards compatible. What they are doing is not restricting functionality but to unlock fastest charging speed you have to buy approved cables. It’s sort of a gray area but luckily EU already caught them planning to do this, so work to change it is already underway.
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 year ago
USB-c has absolutely nothing to do with speed. It’s solely the port shape.
Most USB-c cables today are usb2.0
mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
Many phones use USB-C with USB 2.0, or at least they used to very recently. The Samsung Galaxy S series had USB 3.0 micro B on the S5 and devolved into USB 2.0 with a USB-C connector.
phillaholic@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That’s not true. The standard is just the port, not what the port can do.
Kalkaline@programming.dev 1 year ago
Because of course they would sabotage their own product because of international standards that won’t let them nickel and dime their customers.
lustrum@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
If you need fast speeds, buy the pro bro /s
EddieTee77@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Lol they will probably have a special Apple cable that allows for faster speeds only for their specific devices
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
To the surprise of no one. However, EU is already on top of this. After this law was enacted they realized just how scummy Apple is, not sure how they managed to miss that especially considering they have to fine them and threaten with market ban if they didn’t uphold 2 year mandatory warranty consumer protection laws in EU guarantee.
narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 year ago
On top of what exactly? The EU law doesn’t mandate certain transfer speeds.
The only thing mandates is a USB-C port to charge the device, and afaik that the fastest charging speed needs to be obtainable via USB-PD. The latter was always the case with iPhones, even though the port was different. Other manufacturers are actually way worse offenders when it comes to charging protocols, but Apple it obviously the worst offender when it comes to charging ports.
MeanEYE@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They are introducing changes to enforce USB-PD is present for charging.
Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 1 year ago
Maybe EU is playing some 3D chess? Leave open the possibility of Apple being scummy then fine the shit out of them. Not sure how though.
narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 year ago
What a messy article. The title says that the cables are limited to 2.0 speeds (which they might as well be), the subtitle mentions charging speed as opposed to transfer speed and the article itself then talks about the port on the device having 2.0 speeds (for non “Pro” models).
Anyways, of course they gimp the base model on purpose. Every company does to set the more expensive models apart obviously, but Apple drives it to the extremes especially in recent years, which makes their line-up incredibly confusing. I mean they’ve gone out of their way to make their 10th gen base iPad use the old Apple Pencil, and they still don’t laminate the display even after they redesigned the exterior.
If you want a new iPhone this fall and you’re looking for something in the price range of the standard iPhone 15 (which will still be a very expensive phone of course), I’d recommend looking for previous year’s “Pro” model. The iPhone 13 Pro dropped around the iPhone 14 price at launch, and it’s essentially better in almost every way.
And because people will mention it: of course, you can also get a phone from a different manufacturer if it suits you, or keep your current phone.
Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Usb 2.0 is 23 years old now.
There’s a line between “enhancing the pro model by shitting on everyone else” but like this is just disrespectful.
But hey your money, spend that shit as stupidly as you want
(3.0 came out 15 years ago for reference, it’ll be older than some kids getting the phone ffs)
TheMadnessKing@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Yes, I can’t wait for them to launch the newest innovative tech of Type C fir iPhone, which will offer more speed and better compatibility cause they are the good guys who swear they would protect your data and keep an eye on your photos too.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I have family who actually believes all of what you just said. The tribalism can get a bit much.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 year ago
So, worse than a Galaxy S5. Got it.
30mag@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The latest report, which is both surprising and unsurprising at the same time, comes from a reliable leaker named Majin Bu, who Macrumors says has previously provided details on Apple’s upcoming cables.
Maybe I should start my own news company. You just string some words together about something and it doesn’t really have to make any sense or communicate any information. You say this happened, but at the same time maybe it didn’t happen, mention some people feel one way and other people feel a different way, throw in some meaningless speculation, someone else who is jumping to conclusions, maybe throw a pun in there somewhere, at least one person is skeptical about the thing, someone is concerned about how things will be different, and start selling space for advertisements.
GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I don’t think your criticism here is fair. I see what the article is conveying in this sentence: this is a decision that makes no sense (it probably costs more to artificially limit speeds in this way) but it is also not unexpected that Apple would make this kind of decision. I think it’s a well written turn of phrase.
SulaymanF@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Merely a rumor. Apple is known to put multiple false rumors into their supplier chain to find leakers.
I’m going to wait for the upcoming formal announcement and specs.
MargotRobbie@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Well, charger cables are usually at USB 2.0 speed because USB-PD works the same, but signal integrity doesn’t matter as much, so you can make a longer, more flexible cable without using in-cable shielding…
couragethebravedog@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Unless it’s limited by hardware this will be a main cause for jailbreaking your iPhone.
cybervseas@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Apple y u gotta be like dis
spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The few good things Apple has contributed to the world (libcups) are far outweighed by how much bad they do. Change my mind.
egeres@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m confused, this is a strategy meant to persuade people to keep using the lightning cable bullshit?
LethalSmack@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It really should be 3.0 speeds but its not any slower than the lightning cable so it’s pretty much the same. Just a univercharging port instead of an iPhone specific one.
“ the company will limit the transfer speeds on the base model iPhones to just 480Mb/s, the same as Lightning and USB 2.0.”
nalyd@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Not surprising tbh, loads of mid-range Android phones do that. They’ll implement USB4 in a year or 2 and maybe be the first to implement it in a phone, then talk the biggest game about it at their developer conference like they invented USB or something.
It’s pretty cyclical at this point, they’re saving a talking point for later
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Apple’s propriety Lightning cable may offer cross-device compatibility
I may need to see the math on this. I thought the only devices it worked across were ones apple decided it would within its own offerings, specifically after renting on its decision to NOT let them.
It’s less “hands across America” and more “stop hitting yourself” while still not playing nice with others.
Please show me where I’m wrong.
RelativeArea0@startrek.website 1 year ago
Why? Are they still trying to revive firewire?
indigomirage@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
I’d hate to be one of the 15 unlucky buyers…
/s
ephimetheus@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why do I care about the data rate for my charging cable?
weedazz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I expect the pro max to have thunderbolt and normal iPhone to have this slow USB.
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Hahahha… and a week ago a report said it would be thunderbolt
lemmington_steele@lemmy.world 1 year ago
can’t you just buy a cheaper USB 3.0 speed cable anyway? or is this a hardware limitation that Apple have put in the port of the phone?
Zero@ezekielrage.com 1 year ago
That Majin Buu always comes through. Except that one day… Damn you Kakarot!
angelsomething@lemmy.one 1 year ago
What’s the current usb type on the iPad Pros?
coffee@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Cunts gonna cunt.
Kodemystic@lemmy.kodemystic.dev 1 year ago
Apples gonna Apple
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They already said that