The way things are going we’re going to need ddr3 mobos.
MSI's $80 AMD motherboards with DDR4 support swoop in to rescue gamers amid the global RAM crisis
Submitted 15 hours ago by RegularJoe@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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RobotToaster@mander.xyz 15 hours ago
Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
Been running an MSI motherboard, gpu, WD raptor, and haswell cpu since 2015-ish. My only regret is that I got the “K” version of the processor for overclocking, which lacks the VT-d extensions needed for virtualization goodies like gpu passthrough.
Chivera@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
I still got mine with 32GB of ram. I will wait for it to appreciate in value and sell it to buy a house
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
So RAM is the name of the new crypto coin? 😅
jagermo@feddit.org 13 hours ago
Just bought an asus maximus vii with 16 gig ram and core i7 490k used for 140 euro. it was top of the line in 2014, and will hopefully last the kid as first system until prices come down. but prices are ao shitty
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Good choice. This is perfectly reasonable CPU
IratePirate@feddit.org 9 hours ago
No joke: I just built a low-end server based on DDR3. Got 32 GB for 40 EUR.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 6 hours ago
Maybe it's not the best moment to tell you guys that today I found an old PC with 4x4GB ddr3 on the side of the road...
grue@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I just bought 16Gb of DDR3L laptop memory for a low-power NAS I’m building, and even that cost almost 40 bucks.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
Still good enough. DDR4+ is diminishing returns. Except maybe for highend gamers. But even there, i’m plannning my next TV PC console for 10 years time, with focus on efficiency.
SavageCoconut@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
And they called me a madman for spending months tuning the CO of my 5800X3D to its limits and also OCing my 3200 mhz Crucial Memory to 3800 Mhz. It seems this setup will stay with me until DDR6 arrives. I hope the prices get back to normal by then.
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 6 hours ago
I don't know, if you want them to last I'd ease up on the overclock.
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
CO on Zen 3 X3D chips is always an undervolt, not an overclock.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
Fuck this I’m going back yo freedos.
Best games are DOS games bitches!!!
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
I’ve been playing a lot of Doom recently and I used to run that on an old 486. People just kept on making free wads for that for like 35 years.
one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Doom Rogue Like.
Not sure if Jupiter Hell(successor by the creators) will run on dos though.
traxex@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 hours ago
I know it’s not DOS per se but just getting into Caves of Qud and MAN I’m loving it.
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
I remember playing ASCII games as a kid, I gotta get back into it. There was a program or website where one could download community created ASCII games and I remember building one or two.
tal@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
I agree with you that it’s a good game, and it’s very playable on an older computer, but it’s actually not the lightest-weight game from a CPU standpoint. I mean, realistically, that thing should be able to get by with very little CPU usage and essentially none if you’re not pushing buttons, but it actually uses a fair bit of CPU time when you’re just sitting there staring at the screen. It’s actually kind of bugged me, because while it’s irrelevant on a desktop, it really consumes more battery on a not-plugged-in-to-wall-power laptop than is necessary, and it’d otherwise be such a phenomenal game for disconnected laptop use.
Go run
topand just leave the game sitting there and it’ll be keeping an average of multiple cores hot on my laptop at 240 Hz running at vsync rate. And the world state isn’t changing – the game is turn-based.You can constrain the framerate down to 10 FPS — and that significantly reduces CPU usage, down to an average of 37% of a core at the cost of limiting the speed at which the game runs autoexplore, since it will always draw at least one frame in a given state, and at the cost of making the game feel sluggish and unresponsive.
And you’ll get that CPU usage even if you turn off all the graphical “glitz” have it just showing ASCII.
My guess is that they probably could probably benefit by (a) having a lightweight visual “display” thread that doesn’t do anything expensive, just update any animations and draw that to the screen, and if there are no animations, not even run a refresh at all, and (b) having a separate “heavyweight” thread for game logic that only runs if the world state has changed (autoexplore, automove, resting, or the player has pressed a key).
Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead, which is a similar game (internally a turn-based game that’s basically generating an ASCII grid that can provide some light graphical glitz and tiles) also consumes a lot of CPU time when idle.
kewjo@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
i thought ddr4 production was shutdown, are companies still making it or is this until that supply runs out too?
tal@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
It’s still running. I submitted an article last month about how Micron was buying a facility that had actually just opened quite recently and was apparently producing DDR4 to refit it to make HBM; faster than building a new memory factory from scratch.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 hours ago
Its wild to me on how little the actual need for ddr5 is in regular memory. As far as generations go I can not think of a lesser uplift. With how poor modern software has become with memory efficiency maybe they just thought you can out ram everything. But the speeds of ddr5 just are not realing needed for users. I have never seen someone bottleneck on ram speed for a very very long time.
m4ylame0wecm@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Wat good is a board of there’s no memory? AM4 has been happily humming along for years too, why is MSI special now?
just_another_person@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
DDR4 isn’t part of the memory shortage
Novis@lemdro.id 14 hours ago
The problem with this is that companies were winding DOWN DDR4 production before AI bought all the DDR5 RAM. So if no one can get DDR5, attention will shift to the already dwindling supply of DDR4 aaaaand… well, prices are already up and it’s not going to get better.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
The RAM I just bought last week was 4 times the identical purchase 14 months ago.
You sure it’s not part of the shortage? Who’s making new ddr4?
snooggums@piefed.world 13 hours ago
If they have RAM from an older build that can be reused with a newer mobo and cpu then it could be a significant upgrade.
Schmuppes@lemmy.today 14 hours ago
For me, it would be a great option if my B450 board goes belly up. I have 32 gig of DDR4 installed and would prefer to keep the system operational for a couple more years with the 5700X3D.
That said, I don’t quite see why they need to introduce new boards for AM4. Inexpensive B550 has been around for quite a while now.
Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 13 hours ago
Did exactly this, the ryzen 7 died and now I have a ryzen 9 5950x. I paired it with an rx 9070xt and I should be good to go for another 7 years or so
grue@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I’ve heard it claimed that motherboards are much more likely to go bad than other components, so there’s a legitimate market for new motherboards on obsolete platforms, to be used with secondhand CPUs (and presumably, secondhand RAM). I think that sort of thing is especially popular in developing countries that have less access to top-of-the-line stuff and/or where it costs a much higher percentage of the average income.
For example, looking at Aliexpress, I’m seeing brand-new motherboards like this for about $40 and this for about $30 designed to be used with old Xeons that you can also get from the same site for like $10 or less. (The second board is a better example than the first, because it’s DDR3 whereas the first is DDR4.)
tal@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
My guess — without trying to dig up statistics — is that the single component most-likely to fail in an old PC is gonna be rotational hard drives. Virtually all of my rotational drives have eventually died, aside from a few that were just so small and taking up space where I could mount other things that I no longer bothered using them.
I’ve seen fans die (not necessarily completely wedge up, but have the bearings go and become increasingly-obnoxious in sound).
And those are basically the only mechanical components in a computer.
Behind that, there’s input devices with keyswitches wearing out, but unless you’re using a laptop, replacing the input device is just unplugging the old one and plugging in a new one.
I’m not gonna say that motherboards don’t fail, but I can’t immediately think of something that would die. Decades back, I remember that there was a spate of bad capacitors that made their way to a bunch of motherboards and would eventually fail, but I haven’t seen anything like that recently.
searches
Looks like it was 1999–2007:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
The capacitor plague was a problem related to a higher-than-expected failure rate of non-solid aluminium electrolytic capacitors between 1999 and 2007, especially those from some Taiwanese manufacturers,[1][2] due to faulty electrolyte composition that caused corrosion accompanied by gas generation; this often resulted in rupturing of the case of the capacitor from the build-up of pressure.
High failure rates occurred in many well-known brands of electronics, and were particularly evident in motherboards, video cards, and power supplies of personal computers.
A 2003 article in The Independent claimed that the cause of the faulty capacitors was due to a mis-copied formula. In 2001, a scientist working in the Rubycon Corporation in Japan stole a mis-copied formula for capacitors’ electrolytes. He then took the faulty formula to the Luminous Town Electric company in China, where he had previously been employed. In the same year, the scientist’s staff left China, stealing again the mis-copied formula and moving to Taiwan, where they created their own company, producing capacitors and propagating even more of this faulty formula of capacitor electrolytes.[3]
Those would probably be from the DDR/DDR2 era, though.
I do think that it’s probably possible that some motherboard components might age out. Like, people may want to use newer versions of radio stuff, like WiFi or Bluetooth. You can maybe do that via USB, but the on-motherboard stuff might become more of a liability than the CPU or something.
I don’t think that I’ve ever personally had other computer components just up and fail other than the 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs that internally destroyed themselves. It’s always been non-solid-state stuff, things with moving parts, that fail for me. I mean, I’ve damaged solid-state components myself via things that I’ve done, but it’s always damage that I incurred.
thinks
Oh, CMOS batteries eventually fail, but they’re usually — not always — mounted on motherboards with holders that permit replacement. I’ve had to replace those.
I did have a headphones amplifier that was attached to my computer where some solder joints got a bad connection and I had to open it and resolder it, but I don’t know if I’d call that a “computer component” just because it was plugged into a computer.
thinks more
I did have the power supply used for a fluorescent backlight in a laptop display start to fail once. But, honestly, my experience has been that unless you actively go in and damage something, most solid state parts will just keep on trucking.
BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Unfortunately you can’t get X3D CPU for AM4 anymore.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You can, for $1000 plus by scalpers on ebay
tal@lemmy.today 51 minutes ago
checks
The 5700X3D looks like it goes for about $350 on eBay. The 5800X3D looks like about $450.
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Ah, AM4.
At 10 years old, it’s still the platform that keeps on giving.
zebidiah@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
And I’ll be running it for at least another ten…
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 hours ago
Still runs everything well, so why not?