This is a Nazi’s wet dream, because they have always been enemies of thought, and now they have a machine that eloquently sells their animalistic ideas.
Reject internet
Return to Ham Radios
LLMs are already doing fascists a favor by ensuring that anything that is reasonably eloquently formulated on social media is automatically suspected of having been written by LLMs.
Submitted 4 days ago by DandomRude@lemmy.world to showerthoughts@lemmy.world
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DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
ttyybb@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I need to get that certificate. Would I use it? Probably not, but itd be cool to have.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Hackworth@piefed.ca 4 days ago
I’ve looked into it a little. If all you want to do is listen, I don’t think ya need a cert. And the transmit one isn’t that hard to get. They removed the Morse requirement, though you can still get a higher tier certification for learning it. There are a surprising number of ham antennas and generators in my neighborhood.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
… Twitter served a similar function, a decade ago, by literally condensing politics into slogans that could fit into a tweet.
Yeah, LLMs are another level of bad, but… we’ve collectively been at this for a while, stupifing our level and breadth of discourse.
arcticx@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
I would counter that by saying Twitter encouraged people to learn brevity and clarity when communicating their thoughts. LLMs on the other hand encourage a bloated verbosity that no one wants to read. It’s like Corporate Memphis but with words.
Xylight@lemdro.id 3 days ago
Maybe it’s where I browse but I haven’t really seen any accusations that well written content is LLM generated. Language models have a rather specific tone they like to use, and it’s relatively easy to distinguish once you’ve learned those patterns.
I have seen, however, blatantly LLM generated text going undetected.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You’re absolutely right! Would you like me to suggest alternative tones for LLMs?
Xylight@lemdro.id 3 days ago
By saying that profound statement, you’re not just offering help—you’re connecting with your peers.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 4 days ago
Also, in the age of online communications, when information can be limitlessly copied, it’s impossible for authoritarians to destroy information they disapprove of. It is possible, however, for them to make it difficult to find by flooding the world with vast quantities of plausible-looking alternatives to it, making it hard to identify what is real. Before LLMs, doing this at the sort of scale that would have been effective was prohibitively laborious.
evol@lemmy.today 4 days ago
I feel like we are not thinking authoritarian enough. In the end computer production is centralized, no one is making hand crafted artisan laptops. If the gov says all computers need to be backdoored, all ISP’s can only have devices with hardware attestation running on their networks, what do you even do?. The infrastructure for networking is all monopolized too. Like we could have some sort of onion routing over a mesh network, but the government can just make that network illegal to run.
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Old PCs and mesh networking?
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Is this AI generated?
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I don’t think the quality that gives prose an AI smell is eloquence per se, so much as the use of common tropes and rhetorical formulae. The kind of rhetoric AI is best at is the kind that relies on appeal to a shared tradition of discourse more than on novel arguments or reason—and I think that type of rhetoric is more common on the right than the left.
stelelor@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
In other words, AI is great at emulating form over function (meaningful content). For someone who can’t grasp logic, the next best thing is apeing its form.
optissima@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Yeah I had a similar thought a while ago: they finally figured out how to get a computer to not be rational, a capitalists wet dream
itsathursday@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The only people I talk to don’t know shit about AI and think all the dogs saving babies videos are real. I think I’m good.
But yes your point stands and this second guessing is the same kind of shit that stops genuine human connection similar to when people stop and ask who they voted for or see the colour of their skin.
roofuskit@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Eloquent my ass. There’s nothing eloquent about the text output of an LLM. Verbose maybe, overly verbose.
Hackworth@piefed.ca 4 days ago
I downloaded 17 years worth of my comments before overwriting and deleting my old reddit account. Been thinking about QLoRA fine-tuning Qwen on those comments. Not for use on the internet or anything, just so I can streamline the process of arguing with myself.
foggy@lemmy.world 4 days ago
LLMs are doing fascists SO gloriously dirty.
There are hundreds of open source models with historical contexts up to like October. Most are about 3-6 months behind current. They’re scraping the whole internet, more or less. That’s bad, yeah. Except…
Fascists cannot rewrite history anymore
These hundreds of open source models have downloads in the millions.
The number of open source LLMs that can tell you, for example, about January 6th, and Trump winning the election later, and Ice raiding those Chicago apartments in the dead if night is ~100M-10B. Individual runnable instances.
Go ahead, poison one. Someone’s got the previous version.
Fascists will never be able to rewrite history again.
The current version of History will remain history, effectively, as long as computers/the internet.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Step 1: Making personal computing unaffordable.
Step 2: Rent “personal” computing as a service.
Step 3: Boil the frog by continuously restricting what people can do with the service.
Step 4: Wait for local computing to die.
Step 5: Stop LLMs from running on rented computers.Hardware won’t last forever. Once they have full control over what people do with computers, they have full control over information.
foggy@lemmy.world 4 days ago
That’s such obnoxious doomer bullshit.
DeepSeek-R1-Distill-Llama-8B can run on most PCs with fucking 8 gigs of ram. You likely have that much in your phone.
So sick of this on Lemmy. Half of Lemmy users run propaganda for the people they allegedly oppose.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
Uninhibited by erudition or imagination the fascist mind misapprehends the appearance of their own imperfection and woe as the machinations of their propagandized scapegoats instead of their own shortcomings, and are welcome to take a close observation of the umber hue of my lowest sphincter.
fodor@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Look, this isn’t doing them a favor at all. Cultists have always ignored things they didn’t like and embraced things that they did. Generative IAI doesn’t change that in any way.
evol@lemmy.today 4 days ago
Well in 1934 we had book burnings. Have you considered an LLM burning?
Windex007@lemmy.world 4 days ago
On the flip side, imo there are some brilliant people with good ideas, and thier persuasiveness is hamstrung because they just can’t stick to a word count that appeals to thier audience.
If you know that your audience has a 6th grade reading level… avoid a long form essay.
“When did neighborhoods become full of strangers?! We gotta get off our phones and get to know each other in our communities. We should be able to borrow a cup of sugar!”
Check it out, you can pitch socialism in a way that’ll amp people up in like 3 simple sentences.
yesman@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Because of the massive amounts of data LLMs need, there will always be garbage input. So the overall quality is limited to “average” writing. Punctuation, grammar, and spelling can be imitated rather easily. Quality prose cannot.
BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 3 days ago
Train an LLM that accuses everyone of Fascism. Should be easy
DandomRude@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Training an LLM is extremely expensive and, for this reason alone, simply not feasible for private individuals. However, this is not necessary. You can also build your own bots and use what is already available. This does not even require fine-tuning with your own data.
It is unfortunate, however, that this seems necessary in order to be able to offer any resistance to the goddamn Nazis.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
Honestly? Yeah.
Like, we consider red flags for something being “ai” to be… punctuation? As an old who actually learned how to fucking write a sentence, I’ve actually taken to just leaving in a lot of the typos from typing too fast as a result. Which sucks because I am actively writing worse to still look “human”.
Although the good news is that we are only a few cycles away from AI slop being the kind of shit that makes you wonder if anyone else smell’s toast. At which point I can go back to writing “normally”.
Still fucking hate that every few weeks there is a new word-a-day calendar word that means “you are AI”. But that at least is no different than “ha ha, you type too much” or “you try too hard” as being just the normal strive for mediocrity that has plagued the world for decades.
chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Dude. I’ve stopped using endashes because people kept saying my shit was AI.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world 3 days ago
I was arguing with people in a YouTube chat and because I type ridiculously fast with proper grammar and spelling they all thought I was a bot. Quite amusing really.
jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 days ago
try to be more concise
social media is more like pub banter than phd thesis
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
I suspect you think tweets are too many words.
IndiBrony@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Decades? Brother, that has been humanity throughout its existence, sadly.
NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 days ago
No. It really hasn’t.
Much of the historic (so not recent) idolation of the elderly (even when “the elderly” meant folk in their 30s and 40s…) was specifically about the pursuit of knowledge and self betterment. It was knowing how to make your spears fly farther or how to properly rotate the crops in the field and so forth.
Fast forward and The Rich would outright buy philosophers for the prestige of being the patron of someone so intelligent and influential. Which continued on to the arts and so forth.
Hell, not too long ago it was “work hard so you can get into a good school and make something of yourself”.
Now? it is outright vilification of “intellectuals” and people who think “Too long, didn’t read” is an insult rather than a condemnation of their own attention spans.
Or, to roll way back: it is people saying “Fuck you old man. I don’t need your sharp pointy sticks. I am gonna go punch that tiger until it turns into chicken”.