Submitted 23 hours ago by schizoidman@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
cross-posted from : lemmy.zip/post/56719476
Italy fined Cloudflare 14.2 million euros for refusing to block access to pirate sites on its 1.1.1.1 DNS service, the country’s communications regulatory agency, AGCOM, announced yesterday. Cloudflare said it will fight the penalty and threatened to remove all of its servers from Italian cities.
Love to see America taking up this free speech fight again. EU has gotten out of control.
lmao
Based. Censorship no bueno
What about censoring neo Nazis? What about banning Trump from Twitter?
What government entity does Twitter represent?
They should be able to talk all they want. Right up unto the steps of the gallows.
When that site has 20+ felonies including pedophilia, yes
And who is going to ban Trump from Twitter?
Banning groups like that only amplifies their “persecuted” persona. It’s best to spend on education and destroying their credibility, which is how we dealt with fucking idiots before we got complacent.
Censorship is, at best, a band-aid. And they can always find ways around it. The best solution isn’t to block them from view temporarily, but to teach people to evaluate what they say with empathy and critical thinking.
That is, of course, difficult to accomplish. But then again, there’s no easy solutions, only easy excuses.
I mention it to my friends and family every chance I get. I try to explain that the digital walls they’re building aren’t going to keep us safe but I’m always met with tired indifference.
about as safe as when in prison
Are they becoming less shitty or is this accidentally doing the right thing?
They did as sort of positive thing while praising Elon and Vance, despite both their visions of “free speech” as being “free speech for what I like and not you”
So a hearty fuck Cloudflare, fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws, and fuck the entire billionaire apparatus who are so deep in the circle jerk they don’t know how to come up for air and not act like fascists for 10 seconds.
the Italian law is overly broad here, but that doesn’t excuse this behaviour.
fuck American tech for one again operating in a country and refusing to follow their laws
Fuck government overreach. And fuck anyone defending it.
Nah, fuck Italy on this one. Capitalists demanding censorship to protect their profits are never right.
the Italian law is overly broad here, but that doesn’t excuse this behaviour.
This behavior = Going to court.
They’re arguing that applying filters would degrade performance for everyone. So… to me that kinda sounds like accidentally doing the right thing.
Seems fairly plausible that they cant change 1.1.1.1 behaviour per country.
At least, not readonably. Dns is the one place where people spend a lot of effort saving microseconds (and less) on each look up.
Cf has always been taking the “freedom of speech absolutist” approach.
they probably know that if they start censoring then people will stop using their DNS
As a European, I’ve really come around to a more American view of Free Speech.
Over the last few years, we get more and more laws requiring more and more surveillance and censorship to protect copyright, stop hate speech, enforce GDPR, … We’re building up this infrastructure and the population thinks it’s fine. The courts go along and ask for more.
What is going to happen when a European Trump comes to power? You think it’s terrible that Big Tech goes along with Trump? That Must bought Twitter? We ain’t seen nothing yet.
just to be clear, it seems like you are referring to the claimed american view of free speech, not the reality
It is real. There is a lot of hypocrisy, particularly among the right. But the difference between Europe and the US is stark.
Compare the criticism of the DMCA or Google’s Content ID to this affair. It’s on completely different levels.
Are there examples of censorship or prior restraint you’d like to highlight?
The US has no limits which is fucking stupid, meanwhile Canada has limits on hate speech while still being far more free than the US speech wise.
Any DNS beginning filtering anything gets removed from my Adguard Home. I will do my filtering myself. Ads and nazi websites like *.il, or whitehouse.gov for example do not load in my network.
Whats wrong with *il? Its just domain, like com
That belongs to a terrorist organization. No thanks.
Gaslighting article after CEO of Cloudflare started harassing Italian organizations and people xcancel.com/eastdakota/…/2009654937303896492 probably billionaire sponsored. I expect at least 10 more. Looking at brainwashing today is such a joy. I expect people start defending their favorite company and this asshole.
Can you explain more? It sounds like you think it’s acceptable for the owners of an Italian sports league to have this power over the Internet?
Explain what ? That I can read and understand ? I am saying that it’s not ok for CEO of company to cancel services in whole country after receiving spam email. It’s not ok to call politicians to support online aggression actions against foreign country and at the same time wash mouth with freedom. But well I know you who praise him. Good luck and keep destroying internet.
In addition, we are considering the following actions: 1) discontinuing the millions of dollars in pro bono cyber security services we are providing the upcoming Milano-Cortina Olympics; 2) discontinuing Cloudflare’s Free cyber security services for any Italy-based users; 3) removing all servers from Italian cities; and 4) terminating all plans to build an Italian Cloudflare office or make any investments in the country.
This tweet is fine. Italy is wrong on this matter.
So then the Italian court orders its local ISPs to blackhole 1.1.1.1 (which would be stupid easy). Which will end up pushing people to VPNs but still satisfy the court order.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 minutes ago
Corps are getting bigger than countries and starting to flex. Scary shit.