yes but all the code will be wrong and you will spend your entire day chasing stupid mistakes and hallucinations in the code. I’d rather just write the code myself thanks.
Microsoft says Copilot will 'finish your code before you finish your coffee' adding fuel to the Windows 11 AI controversy that's still raging
Submitted 5 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to technology@lemmy.world
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kreskin@lemmy.world 5 months ago
slampisko@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah! I can make my own stupid mistakes and hallucinations, thank you very much!
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I was finished with Windows before Microshit finished Copilot.
beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
To safely put it out just pee on it.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Make it de the shit I don’t want to do, then we’ll talk
thejml@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
Copilot keeps finishing my code for me in near real time… it completely disrupts my train of thought and my productivity dropped tremendously. I finally disabled it.
I LIKE writing code, stop trying to take the stuff away that I WANT to do and instead take away the stuff I HATE doing.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I wish I could get it to stop finishing comments for me. It’s like some jackass is trying to complete my sentence for me but gets it completely wrong every time and it breaks my train of thought.
lauha@lemmy.world 5 months ago
What I don’t want AI to do:
- write code for me
- write fixes for me
What I want it to do:
- find bugs and tell me about them (but still don’t fix them)
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They do have ones that will review your prs. That’s pretty neat
Serinus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Yeah, I just wrote a blog post comment about how I enjoy using Copilot. But that’s when I explicitly ask it a question or give it a task. The auto complete is wrong more often than it’s right.
Probably doesn’t help that if it was tedious, boilerplate code I would have already explicitly asked it.
bluGill@fedia.io 5 months ago
I like auto complete because I'm a terrible speller I'd write "int countOfCommplixThang", but auto complete guesses "int countComplexThing" Sometimes it even comes up with a better name than I would
garretble@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I had a bit of a breakthrough with some personal growth with my code today.
I learned a bit more about entity framework that my company is using for a project, and was able to create a database table, query it, add/delete/update, normal CRUD stuff.
I normally work mostly on front end code, so it was rewarding to learn a new skill and see the data all the way from the database to the UI and back - all my code. I felt great after doing a code review this afternoon to make sure I wasn’t missing anything, and we talked about some refactoring to make it better.
AI will never give you that.
jbloggs777@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
No, but it can help a capable developer to have more of those moments, as one can use LLMs and coding agents to (a) help explain the relationships in a complicated codebase succinctly and (b) help to quickly figure out why one’s code doesn’t work as expected (from simple bugs to calling out one’s own fundamental misunderstandings), giving one more to focus on what matters to oneself.
jj4211@lemmy.world 5 months ago
help explain the relationships in a complicated codebase succinctly
It will offer an explanation, one that sounds consistent, but it’s a crap shoot as to whether or not it accurately described the code, and no easy of knowing of the description is good or bad without reviewing it for yourself.
I do try to use the code review feature, though that can declare bug based on bad assumptions often as well. It’s been wrong more times than it caught something for me.
Serinus@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Wow, well it’s absolutely terrible at A. B is worth a shot, but it’s 50/50 to bullshit you in my experience.
dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
TBH, it’s not really that great at that. Is average at best and grossly misleading and flat out wrong at worst. It may bring slight speedups for average development on boring legacy enterprise code, but anything really novel and interesting? Detrimental.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 months ago
AI can help you be more agile in getting out a PoC but vibe coding always ends up eating itself and you either aren’t capable enough to fix it (because you are a vibe coder) or you spend more time on the back 9, trying to clean up the code so you don’t have so many hacks and redundancy because the AI was too literal or hallucinated fake libraries that return null or its context window expired and it wrote 5 different versions of the same function
echodot@feddit.uk 5 months ago
giving one more time to focus on what matters to oneself.
Is that been an insufferable prick online? Because I assure you no one wants you to spend more time on that, you spend enough time on that as it is.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
It says it will finish the code, it doesn’t say the code will work.
Thorry@feddit.org 5 months ago
Also just because the code works, doesn’t mean it’s good code.
I’ve had to review code the other day which was clearly created by an LLM. Two classes needed to talk to each other in a bit of a complex way. So I would expect one class to create some kind of request data object, submit it to the other class, which then returns some kind of response data object.
What the LLM actually did was pretty shocking, it used reflection to get access from one class to the private properties with the data required inside the other class. It then just straight up stole the data and did the work itself (wrongly as well I might add). I just about fell of my chair when I saw this.
So I asked the dev, he said he didn’t fully understand what the LLM did, he wasn’t familiar with reflection. But since it seemed to work in the few tests he did and the unit tests the LLM generated passed, he thought it would be fine.
Also the unit tests were wrong, I explained to the dev that usually with humans it’s a bad idea to have the person who wrote the code also (exclusively) write the unit tests. Whenever possible have somebody else write the unit tests, so they don’t have the same assumptions and blind spots. With LLMs this is doubly true, it will just straight up lie in the unit tests. If they aren’t complete nonsense to begin with.
I swear to the gods, LLMs don’t save time or money, they just give the illusion they do. Some task of a few hours will take 20 min and everyone claps. But then another task takes twice as long and we just don’t look at that. And the quality suffers a lot, without anyone really noticing.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Who hasn’t encountered that one jerk who builds only new code to impress management, and never maintains or fixes existing code? I think of them as proof-of-concept posers. They make things that look flashy, impress the execs, and dump all the bugs, maintenance and actual architecture on the other devs. LLMs are going to be a gift to these people and a pain for everyone who actually knows how to engineer things well. They’ll encourage this kind of shallow flashiness and make the maintenance problems worse, but the suits will be convinced that only the LLM posers are productive.
Kissaki@feddit.org 5 months ago
So I asked the dev, he said he didn’t fully understand what the LLM did, he wasn’t familiar with reflection.
Big baffling facepalm moment.
If they would at least prefix the changeset description with that it’d be easier to interpret and assess.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They’ve been great for me at optimizing bite sized annoying tasks. They’re really bad at doing anything beyond that. Like astronomically bad.
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
Why would unit tests not be written by the same person? That doesn’t make a lot of sense…
airgapped@piefed.social 5 months ago
Great description of a problem I noticed with most LLM generated code of any decent complexity. It will look fantastic at first but you will be truly up shit creek by the time you realise it didn’t generate a paddle.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 months ago
I was going to say. The code won’t compile but it will be “finished “
WaitThisIsntReddit@lemmy.world 5 months ago
A couple agent iterations will compile. Definitely won’t do what you wanted though, and if it does it will be the dumbest way possible.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world 5 months ago
But… But I don’t want it to. 😮💨
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
But, will it work, huh? HUH?
andallthat@lemmy.world 5 months ago
but can YOU do it before I finish my coffee?
floofloof@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Ooh, unemployment! How exciting!
BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
Seriously who the hell are they trying to sell this to?
Are they just that desperate to keep the hype train going?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 months ago
retail suckers and losers who buy into the AI crap to keep the “bubble from bursting overnight”
CosmoNova@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are entire media agencies that only do vibe coding. And that might be enough for a one-off event but many of them „develop“ long term solutions without knowing the code or it‘s vulnerabilities so it‘s safe to say their existence will be short lived.
halloween_spookster@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The circlejerk of tech bros and busidiots who haven’t built a damn thing in their lives.
TachyonTele@piefed.social 5 months ago
Business owners. People that don’t want to spend money on annoying stuff like wages.
IonTempted@lemmynsfw.com 5 months ago
“Microsoft Says Copilot” is like a Two Sentence horror story for me now.
WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 5 months ago
Copilot, turn on the gas stove without the pilot. Copilot, in 3 hours light the pilot.
errer@lemmy.world 5 months ago
My Windows automatically read these instructions from my screen and I died!
adespoton@lemmy.ca 5 months ago
You forgot to follow it up with “copilot: open windows” then.
apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Username checks out
dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
My problem is that the dev and stage environments are giving me 502 gateway errors when hitting only certain api endpoints from the app gateway. My real problem is devops aren’t answering my support tickets and telling me which terraform var file I gotta muck with and tell me what to fix on it. I’m sure you’ll be fixed soon though right copilot?