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Bots are better than humans at cracking ‘Are you a robot?’ Captcha tests, study finds

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨FlyingSquid@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/captcha-test-bots-better-humans-b2389998.html

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  • Blizzard@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Themadbeagle@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Only human intelligence can solve” gives answer

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    • ItsMeForRealNow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Levels of smart and dumb. Facepalm moment.

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      • Buttons@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        At this rate Skynet will be like “I’m going to nuke the world on X data, I’ve already taken over all the launch computers, but I’m not going to tell you or it would ruin my plans.”

        These LLMs “think” by generating text, and we can see what that text is. It reminds me of this scene from Westworld (NSFW, nudity): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnxJRYit44k

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      In fairness, that style of captcha has been broken for a while, hence why they’re not still in use.

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    • Snowman44@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      ChatGPT just want Mr. Incredible on you.

      I’d like to tell you that the captcha says overlooks and inquiry, but I can’t. I’m sorry ma’am. I know you’re upset. I’d like to help you, but I can’t.

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    • transistor@lemdro.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Is this real lol?

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  • Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    relevant XKCD

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    • kluevo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      huh

      That… Actually seems like not that bad of an idea (at least for forum/reddit/lemmy bots)

      Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff

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      • saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, if you ignore the infeasibility aspect of getting the humans to cooperate and stuff

        Don’t you fucking tell me what to do!

        gets mace

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      • davidgro@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Bots on Reddit already steal parts of upvoted comments and post them elsewhere in the same post to get upvotes themselves (so the account can be used for spam later)

        Without full context they can be very difficult to spot sometimes.

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      • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, if the humans aren’t capable of cooperating, then it isn’t a bad thing they can’t get access …

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  • profdc9@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Everyone knows that the real purpose of CAPTCHA tests are to train computers to replace us.

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    • hex@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This but unironically… The purpose literally is to train computers to get better at recognising things

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      • RobotToaster@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Specifically to help train AI for Google’s self driving car division.

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    • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And also to frustrate people who use anonimization techniques including use of the Tor Network to get them to turn off their protections to be more easily fingerprinted.

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    • over_clox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The funniest part of that is the people designing the AI systems seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that they’re slowly but surely trying to eliminate their own species. ☹️

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      • sheogorath@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yes the planet got destroyed. But for a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.

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  • superkret@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    online study
    not peer reviewed
    “published” on arxiv (which is a public document server, not a journal)
    study and authors not named or linked in the article

    tl/dr: “Someone uploaded a .docx and we’re writing about it.”

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    • barsoap@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I supposed it’s this paper. Most prolific author seems to be Gene Tsudik, h-index of 103. Yeah that’s not “someone”. Also the paper is accepted for USENIX Security 2023, which is actually ongoing right now.

      Also CS doesn’t really do academia like other sciences, being somewhere on the intersection of maths, engineering, and tinkering. Shit’s definitely not invalid just because it hasn’t been submitted to a journal this could’ve been a blog post but there’s academics involved so publish or perish applies.

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    • CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I mean its pretty obvious that nowadays AI is absolutely capable of doing that and some people are just blind or fat finger the keyboard.

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      • Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I mean, it is The World’s Hardest Game

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    • Zeth0s@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You are overrating peer review. It’s basically a tool to help editors to understand if a paper “sells”, to improve readability and to discard clear garbage.

      It almost never impact quality of the results, as reviewers do not redo the work. From the “trustworthy” point of view, peer reviewing is comparable to a biased rng. Google for actual reproducibility of published experiments and peer review biases for more details

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      • brsrklf@compuverse.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Peer reviewing is how you know the methodology is not flawed…

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  • Overzeetop@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There is considerable overlap between the smartest AI and the dumbest humans. The concerns over bears and trash cans in US National Parks was ahead of its time.

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  • Phen@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Curious how this study suggesting we need a new way to prevent bots came out just a fews days after Google started taking shit for proposing something that among other things would do just that.

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  • tacosplease@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just encountered a captcha yesterday that I had to refresh several times and then listen to the audio playback. The letters were so obscured by a black grid that it was impossible to read them.

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  • casualhippo@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We all knew this day would come, now it’s just a matter of making different captcha tests to evade these bots

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    • jungekatz@lib.lgbt ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They were never a test to evade bots to begim with, most capchas were used to train machine learning algorithms to train the bots on ! Just because it was manual labour google got it done for free , using this bullshit captcha thingy ! We sort of trained bots to read obsucre texts , and kinda did the labour for corps for free !

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      • Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I heard Captcha was being used as training data for self-driving cars. Which probably explains why almost all of them ask you to identify cars, motorcycles, bridges, traffic lights, crosswalks etc.

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      • Draces@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’m pretty sure they began as bot filters. That’s what they became

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Or the other approach, make it even harder for humans

      …which is the current trend.

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      • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’ve found that a lot of sites use captchas or captcha-like systems as a means of frustrating users as a way of keeping away certain people that they don’t want to access the site (intellectual property owners), though it’s not the only tactic that they use. I mean it works, pretty much all of those sites are still up today, despite serving data that’s copyrighted by Nintendo, Sony, and other parties.

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    • FatTony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      New Captcha question: Does pressing harder on a controller’s button make the character’s action more impactful?

      if answer = yes : human if answer = no : bot

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      • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        if answer = depends on the game and system : gamer

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  • C4d@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought Captcha tests were being used to train image recognition systems no?

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    • Odelay42@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yes, but that’s more of a side quest for the system. Primary use case has always been security.

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      • Heresy_generator@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Maybe. Or maybe it was always about using free labor to train algorithms and "bot detection" was just how they marketed it to the people that added it to their sites. Makes me wonder who was running the bots. Exacerbate the problem, solve the problem, get what you really want.

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  • Rhaedas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So just keep the existing tests and change the passing ones to not get access. Checkmate robots.

    Just kidding, I welcome our robot overlords...I'll act as your captcha gateway.

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  • Zehzin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s my fault. I get those wrong on purpose out of spite

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    • Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Based

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  • dan1101@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So is it time to get rid of them then? Usually when I encounter one of those “click the motorcycles” I just go read something else.

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    • T156@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’s a double-edged sword. Just because it doesn’t work perfectly doesn’t mean it doesn’t work.

      To a spammer, building something with the ability to break a captcha is more expensive than something that cannot, whether in terms of development time, or resource demands.

      We saw with a few Lemmy instances that they’re still good at protecting instances from bots and bot signups. Removing captchas entirely means erasing that barrier of entry that keeps a lot of bots out, and might cause more problems than it fixes.

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      • IAm_A_Complete_Idiot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Problem is this assumes that everyone has to build their own captcha solver. It’s definitely a bare minimum standard barrier to entry, but it’s really not a sustainable solution to begin with.

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  • aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought these were designed to make you want to walk into the ocean.

    youtu.be/en5_JrcSTcU

    The passwords of past you’ve correctly guessed, now it’s time for the robot test!

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    • PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • Kichae@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Bots picking the questions, bots answering them. They clearly understand whatever the fuck the captcha bot thinks a bus is better than I do.

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  • NathanielThomas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I failed a captcha repeatedly until I discovered you can listen to a description and then enter it. Visually I could not figure out what I was looking at

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  • sramder@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Still can’t get in to archive.ly ;-)

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  • sprl@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’ve had to do 15 different captcha tests one after the other and they still wouldn’t validate me today.

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  • lowleveldata@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ez. Only allow access when they score 70 to 80.

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    • brsrklf@compuverse.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Please complete the next 200 captchas so we can have a reasonably accurate estimate of your success rate”

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  • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    So that’s OK - you ‘passed’? You’re a bot!

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