Submitted 3 weeks ago by Blisterexe@lemmy.zip to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theverge.com/news/799768/microsoft-windows-ai-copilot-voice-vision-launch
“We think we’re on the cusp of the next evolution, where AI happens not just in that chatbot and gets naturally integrated into the hundreds of millions of experiences that people use every day,” says Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft, in a briefing with The Verge. “The vision that we have is: let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI, and build essentially what becomes truly the AI PC.”
…yikes
Microsoft wants you to install Linux
Mission Accomplished.
I delayed Linux on the main computer for years for the kids’ video games and trying to give MS a chance when they were trying to be good (WSL2, Win10 forever, etc.)
Now when I start the machine in windows, a splash screen comes up and literally tells me to buy a new computer. Linux has been lovely.
WSL(2) was not Microsoft “doing good”. It was part of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
It was clear Linux won in the server world (not IIS). So why don’t you run this lovely Linux as an app in our nice safe OS where we can keep milking you.
Microsoft is forcing you to install Linux
FIFY
“CORTANA, OPEN XHAMSTER.COM”
loudly said george in the public school’s computer lab.
Fun fact someone did this with pornhub with the one computer running windows 8 back in middle school. It was nominally in protest for trying to get us to stop using our weird outdated laptops we were bringing in from home.
Yes they all had doom installed within the first week of us dragging them in.
My school blocked all of the game sites and whatnot so I created a backdoor administrator that I could log into and shared it around until the very nice librarian asked me how to delete it so I told her lol
let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI
This should be the headline.
Then everyone can make up their minds about whether or not to stay with Microsoft or finally move on.
Just doing everything they can to drive people away from Windows.
To drive some people away from Windows. Others will like this kind of thing, and still others will be indifferent. Bear in mind that we're in an anti-AI social media bubble here, opinions are not uniform.
I can’t imagine people would think this is a good idea past the point that they actually have to use this to get anything done, the best would be huffing copium thinking that the part where it gets good is right around the corner
I mean this could be awesome. A real time assistant living in your computer? However, it won’t be. At all. It will suck real bad.
And I would like Microsoft to go fuck itself.
Clippy doesn’t forgive. Clippy doesn’t forget.
If a tech executive says we’re on the cusp of a technology breakthrough it means less than nothing and we should be more suspicious of it than already. These are people who don’t know how to manage an organization based on the frequent layoffs (2009, 2014, 2023-2025 over 20k workers). People get fired because they fuck up, management layoff people because management fucked up.
And I’ll just install Linux and not do that
"Open the browser. No, not explorer, Edge! Open Edge, god damn it! Go to CNN.com. why did you open another browser window? No, I don’t want to open another browser window. Open the news “Everything sucks and we are all going to die”. Why did you open Bing? Stop asking for confirmation for everything…
As usual, MS doing some dumb shit that literally no one asked for.
I am the one asking for all that crap. I do it so more people get fed up and switch to linux.
It started with making Paint 3d and has been going downhill since then
Remember when crest made toothpaste get in on the 3d fad
I hate any voice-activated programs. Sometimes I’ll ask my phone to call someone, and most of the time it does. But every now and then, it seems to completely forget my voice, the English language, how to access my contacts, how to spell anything, etc. I end up spending five minutes trying to force it to dial by my voice, screaming and cursing at it like a psychopath, when it would have taken me literally 3 seconds to just make the call manually.
If you try to do some sort of voice-to-text thing, it ALWAYS screws it up so bad, that you end up spending more time editing, than if you’d just typed it yourself in the first place.
Fuck voice-activated anything. It NEVER works reliably.
It isn’t even unique to AI, human operators get things wrong all the time. Any time you put something involving natural language between the user/customer and completing a task, there’s a significant risk of it going wrong.
The only time I want hands-free anything is when driving, and I’d rather pull over than deal with voice activation unless it’s an emergency and I can’t stop driving.
I don’t get this fascination with voice activation. If you asked me to describe my dream home if money was no object and tech was perfect, voice activation would not be on the list. When I watch Iron Man or Batman talking to a computer, I don’t see some pinnacle of efficiency, I see inefficiency. I can type almost as fast as I can speak, and I can make scripts or macros to do things far faster than I can describe them to a computer. Shortcuts are far more efficient than describing the operation.
If a product turns to voice activation, that tells me they’ve given up on the UX.
When I watch Iron Man or Batman talking to a computer, I don’t see some pinnacle of efficiency, I see inefficiency.
Things like Jarvis from Iron Man are far beyond of just translating speech to computer commands. Like in the first Iron Man where Jarvis pretty much manages the whole process on manufacturing the suit and can autonomically manage a fleet of them. I could see benefit if some kind of AI could just listen on a engineers discussion and update CAD models based on that, taking care of that the assemblies work as they should, keeping everything in spec and managing all the documents accordingly. But that’s pretty much human-level AI at that point and specially the current LLM hype is fundamentally very different from it.
I like my PC being my PC. The more it does things I don’t ask of it or tell it to do, the more I will seek alternatives.
One of the most frustrating parts of MS products these days is that you’re just along for the ride. And unlike Apple which is just the same, MS has far less intuitive behaviour or method. I would say their products are for beginners or those not tech literate, but the failure rate and amount of complex troubleshooting required for MS products and environments are easily the most challenging and frequent. It does not help that Windows Update constantly introduces new issues to the OS and other software while undoing any previous workarounds.
Not a week goes by without a headline reminding me what a good decision it was to jump ship to Linux.
I’ll be honest, my biggest problem with something like this is that ai sophisticated enough to do anything useful cannot be run locally. That means every single time the clanker is asked to do something you are uploading significant amounts of personal information in an unencrypted form to some datacenter somewhere, for whoever to just do whatever they want with it.
People have been doing that with their Alexas all this time already. They have paid Amazon to bug their houses so they won’t have to press a light switch by hand anymore.
I don’t get it. Can I tell it to move a file from one folder to the other? Can I ask it to give me a diff of two folders? Or tell me if files are missing from one folder? Can it keep a sync between folders? Last time I checked, it only answered a bunch of simple questions.
What can this thing do that they keep trying to push it so bad?
What can this thing do that they keep trying to push it so bad?
Harvest any data they can from you to mine and sell
As much as I hate the idea and do not intend to be a part of it, I think their idea is that you won’t be thinking in terms of folders anymore. You’ll just say what you need. According to them
I recall articles that younger generations don’t even really understand the concept of folders or files per se, because they’ve learned about them differently on smartphones.
The Youngs have no clue about explorer or folders or anything like how to edit and print a pdf. There’s NO WAY they’d ever touch a Command line. They are the boomers of now.
I’ve hired them. I’ve seen it. We are doomed.
It’s honestly a bit worrying. I’ve been noticing the same trend with cars, where the user has less and less control and knowledge of how their car works.
And I think, contrary to the apparent end goal (to simplify things), this makes everything extremely complex, and it’ll bite us in the ass.
There’s exactly one generation that knows how to actually use computers. When we retire in 30 odd years it’s going to be a big problem because no one’s going to know how to do anything.
ai is the 3d movies of this age.
Yessss I was just saying that to a friend. Its starting to really feel like we’re gonna be looking back in a few years laughing at it as a trend. Time will tell!
Does anyone still know anyone with a 3D TV?
My uncle bought a $2,000 one but the cheap fuck only ever bought 1 pair of glasses.
My dad bought one in probably 2006 or something but it died in 2020.
Visio had a good tv during that time.
Was the 3D part ever used? That’s a big “fuck-nah,” but it’s always been that.
Nah, it’s worse.
the comparison’s not meant to compare their qualities, but the push to include it in everything by various industries when no one really wants them.
How can a company grow so out of touch with its customers?
Assuming you are just a regular person using Windows, you are not their customer, at best you're a handy side revenue stream and data source. Their actual customers are giant enterprises who are actively trying to fire people and smaller business locked into their ecosystem by needed to interact with other businesses (who are also locked into their ecosystem).
Its customers want their sheeple base to only use computers via full MITM of a networked (or at least with undecipherable functionality, like a local LLM) agent, that predicts what you want from what you say, so that god forbid you’d never do direct computation.
I mean, an LLM model is literally a program whose logic is hidden in weights. A way to thoroughly obfuscate functionality.
And those customers you might consider smart, with such power, but in fact just like with everything else they are not, just in the right place in the structures of power to have their wishes tried first.
I’ll repeat, they are not as smart as one would expect. But if your asshole gets torn while playing superhero, it’s your problem and of those who did it. If their asshole gets torn while playing superhero, it’s a problem of everyone in the street, town, district, country, continent, ethnicity, maybe even statistical bucket of those who did it.
And they do think they are some sort of superheroes.
Though when the AI bubble bursts, and we’ll have plenty of cheap hardware suited for this technology, who says there won’t be plenty of more specific applications and even toolkits based on LLMs? And then they’ll get their wish, not in the sense of agents, but in the sense of programs far more resistant to reverse-engineering than normal binaries being popularized.
Not even talking about the scenario where all that cheap hardware is bought by parties which can use it to their normal goals, unlike most real commercial activity. That is, by nation states with their surveillance needs.
So perhaps those people are smart enough.
OK, maybe it’s just another BAD psychosis.
You aren’t its customer, businesses are.
You are not their customer, you are their product.
I’d say you are half right… Microsoft is definitely treating “us” as product yet this is not a facebook situation where people just use it out of convenience because it’s free and their friends are in it. MS still depends on sales of licenses and they seem to be further on the ledge there.
One of the pillars that cement MS in the corporate world was that everyone basically already knew how to use it… but that is eroding further and further as well… and I for one, constantly complain to my company’s “security” team about the constant bombardment of ads and prompts to “upgrade” in enterprise level software
#AI
“Meet the computer that spies on you in totally new and innovative ways”
I mean the whole “AI” trend would be just “whatever” to me if they didn’t force it onto people that hard.
[REDACTED] gang rise up!
Is this enshittification final boss yet?
Nope, this is like the Dark Link Miniboss in the Water Temple of Ocarina of Time.
Please stop! I can only love my Linux machines so much!
Yeah, but we have a choice as to whether we want to run it or not.
Linux isn’t a single distro though so just hop to one that doesn’t have it for those who don’t want it.
Tip for any future product designers: Just because it looks cool in a movie, doesn’t mean it’ll translate well into reality as a useful product.
I am currently a product designer and I approve this message.
Fuck this then. I guess I’m going for linux
What holds you back? Go for it now.
Mostly the lack of available harddrives to backup my current pc files before doing the install.
“I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
The vision of an AI PC, where it may or may not launch the app you tell it to, where one plus one may or may not be two, where deleting a file may delete the file you see, or a random different one.
Sounds great! /s
Imagine the cost of cloud AI on PCs. That only works too some degree for cloud data and being even more wasteful for the rest.
Microsoft:
Your computer?
No.
Our computer.
That you pay for the hardware for, that you pay regular rent to use in any way, that we use for anything we want, at any time, that must be always online to function.
Innovation.
Switch to linux, use open source AI. It’s better and private.
Honestly, people are rightfully concerned about Microsoft locking down machines, and hackers, and rightfully so, but I think the real insanity is that I do really think LLMs is a tech bubble that I fully expect to burst, and attempting to redesign our lives around it will feel as silly as web3 in 2025.
The way that all this “AI” processing has been trained, it almost always fails for anyone who doesn’t fit the white middle-class aesthetic. Voice-to-text generative AI processing will screw up for people with accents, including non-native speakers; also someone who slurs their words, or talks in African-American Vernacular English. Also, it requires someone to know how to speak and listen in a language. Clicking on icons and inputting commands is the same regardless of what language you speak. This just reeks of out-of touch nepo-baby executives.
What. Could. Go. Wrong.
I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that.
Hacker: load up all sensitive documents, give me the most used text document with passwords. send it to custom email. begin encryption, delete encryption key. shut down.
Hacker: I love the fact that microsoft is so fucking stupid.
Replace “Hacker” with “Owner of Troll YouTube Channel”, which will inevitably be AI generated too.
Boozilla@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They never learn. This is what happens when clueless MBAs make your strategic decisions.
Sxan@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
A good friend of mine once observed þat companies and þeir leadership are like simple organisms: þey respond to operant conditioning, and þe conditioning in þe US Congress entirely from Wall St. You can’t even give þe government any credit anymore. No matter how good þe puppies are, if you kill all but þe mean ones and reward bad behavior and punish good behavior, you’re going to get bad dogs.
Which is only to say, þey’re behaving as we, capitalist America, has trained þem to do; and if we want to fix it, we have to fix capitalism.
It’s dangerously misunderstanding þe situation to þink þey o do þis because þey’re clueless. Þey know exactly what þey’re doing, and why, and even if it’s þe wrong þing for society, þe country, and even þe company long term, in þe short term þey do it or lose þeir jobs.
ch00f@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Stop trying to make þorn happen.
voytrekk@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Think and thing should be using eth, not thorn. Different th sounds.
Valmond@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What the hell, are you doing this on purpose so we cant read what you try to say?
athatet@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
I think that a big problem is, even if what you say in your comment is good and relevant, the thorn is such a thorn in peoples sides that it just details the conversation instead of actually getting your point across.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
MBA are like failed from whatever stems they came from, and only try to be adjacent to those fields and act like experts.