SpaceX can fuck right off with that plan.
SpaceX says states should dump fiber plans, give all grant money to Starlink
Submitted 7 months ago by tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world
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putainsdetoiles@lemmy.world 7 months ago
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
How about no
nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
Fuck off and give me the fiber that was promised and paid for decades ago.
WaistGunnerPug@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Fuck. That.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 months ago
American taxpayers paid for both Starlink and Space X. Overpaid, actually, that’s why he’s the richest man in the world. None of his businesses are profitable, he just skims hundreds of billions off the enormous government grants he gets.
Since we overpaid for that tech, we should just confiscate it from him. He can be thankful that he doesn’t go to prison for misappropriating government funds.
He can keep Tesla. It’ll be bankrupt in 2 years anyway.
uhdeuidheuidhed@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
Remember how Elon Musk conned Vegas out of millions with the hyperloop.
Satellite internet is not the future; it’s cell internet.
Soup@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Conned them and then Nashville, I think it is, is also paying him for it. True stupid, the US isn’t a country of learners, it seems.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 months ago
it’s cell internet.
Physical lines first.
uhdeuidheuidhed@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
We already have physical lines.
Businesses and governments aren’t going to invest in digging and laying down more cables to give people in rural America access to fiber.
uhdeuidheuidhed@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
[deleted]DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Did you post all three of these via Starlink?
uhdeuidheuidhed@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
Nah. My instance was having issues for some reason.
Ascrod@midwest.social 7 months ago
“Oligarch mouthpiece demands diverting of major public funds to oligarchs instead”
Story of America, really.
nonentity@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Wireless data transmission should only ever be used for nomadic, temporary, and/or sacrificial links.
They’re useful for quick deployment, but are intrinsically brittle and terrible for resiliency and efficiency.
The longer the dependence on them for a given use case, the less defensible arguments in support of them become.
I’m all for the use of satellite delivery of internet services, but only when it’s used in conjunction with a broader roll out of hardwired infrastructure, at which point it can reasonably be relegated to serving as a secondary, backup diverse path.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Cory Doctorow described it as anti-futuristic tech. Where fiber networks get better, faster, and cheaper the denser they get, wireless satellite will get slower and less reliable the more people share that spectrum.
thatkomputerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
No fucking thanks. Gigabit+ fiber > Nazi-ass satellite internet that doesn’t have the bandwidth for actual dense population centers.
michaelmrose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You cannot actually serve hundreds of millions in the US even if you invested the 75B it would cost to give every household a satellite it just can’t support the bandwidth.
bizza@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
I got a better idea: a civil war against oligarchs
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world 7 months ago
SpaceX should deliver the service and access at the cost given and complete before the fiber team put a shovel in that ground.
TomArrr@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The term "tech neutral’ brings back terrible memories of the conservative Liberal successful campaign in #auspol against the #NBN (national broadband network) 😞
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Yeah, please… give me shitty satellite internet instead of a fast fiber line…
bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I sure am sick of super fast, stable internet connections. Let’s all get something that fucks up when it’s cloudy.
DigDoug@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I say that Emma Stone should divorce her husband and marry me instead.
skozzii@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Going from the most secure, hard wired formats to a con man’s satellites would be a fatal error. Any sort of military conflict and the network is all down, atleast broadband keeps secure networks intact.
gramie@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Just have a look at what’s going on in ukraine. Once they started using drones, the drone were attacked through their wireless connections. Now they trail fiber optic cables for control. What does that say about the relative reliability and security?
BabyVi@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Gotta gear up for America’s century of humiliation.
_stranger_@lemmy.world 7 months ago
AA5B@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They’re welcome to say that, as long as their ruler doesn’t enter the political or policy arena and have the moral depravity to act despite a conflict of interest. As long as corporations don’t have undue influence on politics from lobbying or donations.
We don’t have to listen.
Our representatives should be representing us. …… alright alright you can stop laughing now
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
It shouldn’t be all or nothing. It should be diversified.
Yeah, there are rural locations where Starlink makes sense but also there are a lot of urban places that it would never work in.
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Problem with Starlink is that the satellites need to be replaced every 5 years or so.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
That, and if they could pull heavy copper wiring to the furthest rural reaches of the country in the 1930s, they can pull fiber along side it today. The poles and right of way is already there. Satellite is a fine stop-gap while it gets done, but there’s no excuse for it to be the permanent solution.
drmoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Low orbit satellites will never replace fiber because physics of latency, bandwidth and error correction.
As far as things go today well never need less fiber. Even if we cover the sky with satellites eventually we’d need to upgrade to fiber because its literally impossible to beat. Except for scifi tech like quantum entanglement networks which might not even be possible or practical anyway.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
The trouble with starlink is that the actual amazingly practical use-cases for it are not a sufficiently profitable market for it given the insane investment. So they have to convince people it’s a better idea as a rural ISP than demanding fiber.
Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Fiber is like rail transport for the internet: expensive, high throughput infrastructure along a defined path. But when it’s already there, it’s very hard to beat.
Oh right, Musk stopped the discussion of proposed rail expansion with his Boring tunnels and Hyperloop, now he is doing the same thing to the internet.
PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes. Lets tie our expansion of desperately needed internet access in rural America to massively carbon emitting rocket launches. Thats definitely not gonna back fire on us.
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 7 months ago
One day he’s gonna get assassinated and it will be a global holiday
hunnybubny@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
I should buy some fireworks
buttnugget@lemmy.world 7 months ago
We should always celebrate whenever male supremacists meet their demise. People who use the term “misandry” unironically, for example.
hexagon@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
I’m going to start the celebration from now
drmoose@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You’d be instantly banned on reddit for this comment lol
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Some of us were already banned for such comments, but now we are here being bloodthirsty dickheads. I want to put Musks head in a vice and tighten it till the two plates are dry.
bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Which is why I’m here and not there. It’s the internet: I hope nobody posts their hot takes! Reddit needs to lighten up. Or even better, fuck off.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 months ago
i like the saying
Some make the world better by their passing, others make the world better by their passing.
it’s vague and passive enough that you have plausible deniability, but the meaning is clear. plus I like the poetry of it.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 7 months ago
doing doing the witch is dead
Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
That was fast.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Musk is still hitting the special K.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 7 months ago
To quote Dan Harmon out of context: "If you ask a toaster, “What’s the most important thing in the world?” it’s going to tell you, “Bread.” And if you ask a toaster its opinion of bread, it’s going to tell you, “It’s not toasted enough.”
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Publicly funded fibre can be provider agnostic. Starlink can’t. Unless Musk is arguing for the nationalization of Starlink, which frankly I could get behind.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 7 months ago
We paid for it, it should be nationalized. But they only ever socialize their losses, the profits are private.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Technically, S0aceX should be nationalized by the US based on the volume of money they’ve received in contacts.
Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
If Intel has to give the US government 5%, Starlink should have to give back 25%.