European Commission launching #Wifi4EU initative, 93k high-speed private access points across the EU, free of charge.

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• Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Well I don’t know if that’s a good use of EU money. I’d rather see investments in large and difficult infrastructure, rail, software, datacenters, industrial sectors we’re currently lacking, grid investments - stuff like that.

  End user internet access is more like thousands of small decentralised projects. The coordination might make it easier to use compared to if everyone did their own free wifi project, but that’s such a small benefit…

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  • Baleine@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    I’m sure we could invest in all of them and money wouldn’t be the problem.

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• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I think this is mostly for non-EU tourists. You don’t pay for roaming in EU anymore so you don’t really need WiFi when traveling.

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  • TheProtagonist@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Recently mobile phone operators introduced a “fair use policy”, so it’s not really a”roam like at home” anymore, but data volumes can be limited to a fraction of what you are entitled to in your home country.

    This is a point where WiFi might get more important again when traveling.

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• Hule@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Free Wireless ISP, you say?

  cheapskate romanian sounds

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  • lmuel@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Germans are gonna start getting out their old cantennas or nanostations and point it at the closest hotspot

    Of course I would never do such a thing, being half german, living in Germany. Certainly didn’t live off a nearby restaurants wifi hotspot for almost 2 years.

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  • mholiv@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Classic European flavored racism. Are you aware that you are promoting racism or not?

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Pretty sure they are themselves Romanian.

      Can you even be racist against yourself?

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• hisao@ani.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It’s mind-blowing how at the same time one EU government guys pushing stuff like DSA while other do something like this (which is nice, and a complete opposite).

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  • BlueBockser@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    What’s the problem with the Digital Services Act?

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Indeed from their history of constantly wanting more control and invasive measures, always sold in the name of security, protection of minors, etc… I’m highly sceptical and always asume the worst.

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    • PonyOfWar@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But those are all publicly available pieces of legislation. It’s quite a leap to go from that to just assuming they’ll secretly and illegally spy on you through public wifi networks, without any law allowing them to do so. Besides, if they have no problem doing that, why would internet through your European ISP be any safer?

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• Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Honestly nowadays data plans are cheap on most mobile carriers and they’re obligated to have them work accross EU, so you no longer really need Wi-Fi when traveling.

  Also, I can see this being easily and constantly exploited via Wi-Fi attacks where hackers set up fake Hotspots with the same name as the closest legit one.

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Meanwhile Czech carrier cartel:

    BTW free Wi-Fi exploits are pretty much gone with widespread HSTS

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  • HejMedDig@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m sure non-EU visitors will like it

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    • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Getting their credentials stolen thru WiFi attack?

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  • ScreamingFirehawk@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Cries in Brexit

    ~£2 a day data charge on most UK networks

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    • NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Isn’t Lebara less than that per month and includes roaming?

      www.hotukdeals.com/share-deal-from-app/4655085

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• giacomo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  oh dude, they promised to be privacy friendly! maybe I’m just to american to believe in promises.

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  • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You don’t have to trust them any more than you trust your local Starbucks WiFi. We’re at the point where your traffic should no longer be vulnerable just because you’re on the wrong WiFi network.

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    • PlexSheep@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Been that way since https became common

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    • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I feel like the OP you’re responding to. Explain how I should be comfortable? The idea creeps me out, but I admit I haven’t delved into security for a few years.

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    • 8fingerlouie@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      My traffic is not vulnerable, but my device might be.

      When you connect to public WiFi, you also share it with others, and maybe someone on that network wants to test out their new hacker skills ?

      Maybe not as much of a problem for phones, but that juicy developer laptop running unauthenticated MongoDB with a dump of the production database… yup, that now “mine”.

      Ideally all those services should be listening on 127.0.0.1 / ::1, but everybody makes mistakes. Maybe the service comes preconfigured to listen on 0.0.0.0.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The EU is almost just as bad, I know the bar is high compared to the US, but still.

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      There are tons of things the EU is doing well, dude.

      From resisting the technocapitalist rethoric of the US, to standing up against imperial bullies like Russia.

      I’m not saying it is perfect, nothing is. But sometimes it feels like the EU is the only reasonable beacon in a sea of corruption.

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  • Vinstaal0@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s why audits exist

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• LMurch@thelemmy.club ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s cool. Here in the US, we’re this close to banning vaccines. *sad trombone sound

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  • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Having a union-wide regulatory framework for soda bottle caps, or mandatory categorization of cucumbers seems a lot less like a government overreach in comparison. Thanks, I guess… 🥲

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  • Matriks404@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I hope you’re joking.

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• kokesh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  No taking on EU -run wifi? Those f’rs want to read our private encrypted chats. Why would anyone connect to this?

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The EU is not a singular entity. It is possible for it to do good and evil simultaneously.

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  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Because people know about HTTPS.

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    • kokesh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They want to be able to read all the communications. So whether you transport your data via https or not has nothing to do with this.

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• Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  ‘privacy-friendly’ from the EU? 😂

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  • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    they’ll read your messages, but they’re friendly about it.

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    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Well they have to check for our own good OC, what if Khammaaaz mails you a terrorist!

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• berty@feddit.org ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Do you need that app to connect to a WiFi network?

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  • sivanataraja@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    No, the app is just a map of the hotspots.

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  • SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    To add to the other comment, you can see the map here.

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• Mac@mander.xyz ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Damn, this is so cool.
  We could have had this in the States too, but, well, you all know.

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  • miked@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This will never be possible in the States. We still have areas with no cellular.

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    • Mac@mander.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Surely that’s unrelated to the billions of dollars that the telecom companies stole from the taxpayer after promising to build out infrastructure?

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    • Glitchvid@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ironically enough there’s basically a private version of this through Comcast turning their rented CPEs into their own unlicensed wifi mesh, they call it WiFi Pass – they at least have the courtesy to give it to you gratis if you’re already paying for residential service.

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  • deafboy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This would be cool 20 years ago. Now it’s just a stunt.

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    • Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Better late than never though

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It shows you are american and not familiar with the EU.
    ‘privacy friendly’ is a euphemistic PR term, not unlike making the horrible Patriot Act worse and renaming it the ‘Freedom Act’.

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• Epzillon@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If this does what it says on the box its huge

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• ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why Wi-Fi? All the expense, none of the coverage.

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Good luck trying to break through the mobile cartels.

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• FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  More Europeans than ever can watch the live-streamed genocide that we’ve been arming and encouraging!

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  • BaroqueInMind@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Through various InterPol managed servers that track your telemetry.

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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And have to walk on eggshells if they protest against it or get arrested for ‘supporting terrorism’.

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• user224@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Thanks to EU roaming rules…

  Not quite. I’ve come across a few plans that don’t offer EU roaming, and also those where there’s far less data offered than the regulation requires, or found a loophole.

  Let’s go for the examples of no EU roaming data:
  T-Mobile CZ Twist IoT CR - IoT card, but it offers up to 500GB of data paid once a year (78 EUR), only usable in Czech Republic.
  T-Mobile CZ 100GB edition - regular SIM, but also CR-only
  Vodafone CZ GIGA 100 + 50 GB - also a regular prepaid, but no roaming
  Swan Mobile (4ka) Sloboda Data - 300GB in Slovakia, but 0.144 EUR per MB in EU.

  For the last example, they’re also the same example that breaches the regulation with other packages. When I did the calculations, they exactly checked out for other 3 MNOs, so I guess I did them right, but they didn’t for Swan.
  Further confirming this is the fact that they have already received at least 2 (as far as I could find) fines for breaching these RLAH regulations, that is 15,000 and 90,000 EUR, but I suppose that just ends up being cheaper for them, as it still isn’t fixed.

  Anyway, perhaps they did in fact fix this, with a loophole.
  For example, take Sloboda Nekonecno+ for 25EUR/month with “unlimited” (300GB) data. 8.25GB of EU roaming does not look right there.
  So what is going on?
  On paper, it’s split up into base and additional package. Base package is 20EUR, and only has 2GB of data. Additional package with unlimited data is 5EUR/month, and as you could guess, cannot be purchased separately.

  So, for base package, you get full allowance, thus 2GB. Additional package is calculated separately, (4.06504065041 / 1.30) * 2 is 6.25. And thus 8.25GB instead of 31.27GB was born.

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• raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

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  • shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Not trusting the idea on it’s face. Love to hear tech details on why I should.

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Also more circuses for less bread

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