I see Microsoft don’t need developers and those who work there are morons. That’s how I read what Github CEO said.
GitHub CEO delivers stark message to developers: Embrace AI or get out.
Submitted 8 months ago by mesamunefire@piefed.social to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.businessinsider.com/github-ceo-developers-embrace-ai-or-get-out-2025-8
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vane@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Get out or what? GitHub?
I don’t understand this insistence that all developers must use AI.
If AI made a developer better, why insist, wouldn’t the vibe coders outcompete all others?
Wouldn’t they need non AI coders to train things?
Or is it because this snake oil pitch only works when everyone does it so no one notices it’s detrimental effects?
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 8 months ago
It’s because we’re expensive. That’s the long and short of it.
10 developers in Silicon Valley can run you $1-$2m in salary alone (it’s more expensive with benefits added).
The industry constantly conspires to keep the salary of software engineers down. It does it cyclically too. In 2008 I was told I would have no problem getting a 6 figure job when I graduated by 2013. Of course the economy had other ideas. Same thing with the dot Com bubble.
I currently make double what I did 10 years ago. It doesn’t actually matter much as inflation and a divorce has had my costs balloon just as much, but it’s still loads more than any other job out there.
They’ll get what they want, one way or another. Then when none of their shit works they inevitably come back begging us and we request better pay and benefits again, because we know they do this. They don’t learn, much like those reliant on AI.
Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
10 engineers in the Bay Area would easily be 2-3 million without additional benefits or support personnel
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 8 months ago
Studies show AI coding tools make the task slower. It only makes people feel they’re faster, but reality is different. So it’s the snake oil pitch. Nobody can know it doesn’t really work and they keep throwing money at it in an increasingly more desperate “fake it till you make it”. Because, if this thing implodes, it’ll take a large part of the market and economy with it to do a rerun of the 2008 financial crisis.
kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 8 months ago
Can you name or link the studies? I’d love to read more abt this
merc@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Can this guy really be considered a CEO if GitHub is a fully owned subsidiary of Microsoft?
You know Microsoft, the company that is heavily invested in OpenAI and is spending hundreds of billions to try to make AI happen?
chocrates@piefed.world 8 months ago
Yes. Microsoft owns them and tells them what their goals are, but the CEO has sole flexibility.
merc@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I don’t know what “sole flexibility” is, but if Microsoft owns them and tells them what their goals are, he must not have much authority.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
“Sole flexibility” to do as he’s told or get sacked.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Already done. I moved everything to Codeberg a year or two ago. I strongly recommend it to anyone looking for safe, non-corporate, community-oriented version control. It’s also German and non-profit.
TotalCourage007@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Some CEO: gasp GUYS I found a new blacklisted word! Quick add non-profit to the Ai-Moderation. How dare they not pay me infinitely!
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
goatinspace@feddit.org 8 months ago
Not using github anyway
shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
OK, cya.
eager_eagle@lemmy.world 8 months ago
is there any script or tool out there that helps automate the mirroring of GH repos to Codeberg (or another forge)? I have 150+ repos, most are archived or outdated, but if I’m migrating I’d like to do with everything.
neblem@lemmy.world 8 months ago
www.rahuljuliato.com/posts/github_to_codeberg has some instructions on how to do a bulk migration using LionyxML’s script. codeberg.org/LionyxML/migrate-github-to-codeberg
mesamunefire@piefed.social 8 months ago
Honestly,I just picked the 10 most used ones, mirrored them for a while, and called it a day. I believe there is processes out there but you may run into Github API restrictions if you do it all at the same time (and/or without a specific token).
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Why do all these idiots behave as if they knew where the future is?
If it’s about all the achievements they’ve read about and seen in games like Civilization, real-life doesn’t quite look like that. Though in some sense these games, though good, have kinda simplified and made degenerate the understanding of the progress by many people. Similarly to what Soviet school program did, but in a more persuasive and pleasant way.
There’s no tech tree. There’s been plenty of attempts at any breakthrough before it actually happened. Suppose this “AI” is to some real future AGI what Leonardo’s machines were to Wright brothers’ machines, even in that case there’s no hurry to embrace it.
If he thinks he’s looking at a 90% achieved tech tree point with powerful perks, then his profession should probably be that of a janitor. Same day schedule, same places to mop up, you know.
shalafi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
(bring the pitchforks straight to my door)
He’s kinda right. You would be a fool not to use AI now and again. No, I do NOT mean vibe coding, that’s a fucking joke. ChatGPT (only one I’ve used) got me around a couple of sticky points when I was last scripting with PowerShell.
If you’re stuck on a thing, why not see what an LLM will spit out? Last time I tried that it came with a non-working script, of course, but I picked some useful bits out and wrapped up quickly. Learned a new path I hadn’t known or considered! From what I gathered reading Slack, our devs were using it in that manner. Nobody was dumb enough to trust the output, but again, AI can often get you over a hump.
All these stories we see about AI making coding take longer are about dipshits that lean on it too hard without actually knowing what they’re doing, or naively trusting the output, or heaven-for-fucking-fend, both.
Yes, you still have to be able to actually write code. No, it won’t replace developers. However, if AI can speed up a devs work, and it looks like it can, we’ll need fewer devs.
otacon239@lemmy.world 8 months ago
While I don’t wish for this future, I do look forward to being one of the few that truly understands the ‘old way’ of computing like many here on Lemmy. All that knowledge I spent my youth acquiring may very well become insanely valuable in the next few decades because so many people will treat it as irrelevant.
I’ll feel a lot like this:
JohnAnthony@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The future is now. The future is also ten, twenty and thirty years ago! According to GitHub’s Chief Executive Idiot himself:
the skills that will matter most include system design, AI fluency, delegation, and quality assurance
Except for “AI fluency”, this has been true for fucking ever. No serious work environment evaluates their developers on how quickly they can vomit code (or so I hope): the job is indeed about design, quality and working as a team in general.
Which means a tool that does not help with any of these is already not a revolution. When the tool actively makes quality worse and collaboration more complicated, I get the impression it is actually detrimental.Mind you, I might be dead wrong. I am personally not impressed so far. It seems to be a better autocomplete, but I don’t want to throw a glass of water out the window every time I press tab.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Guy who runs wanting AI service (Copilot, currently being eaten by Claude Code and Qwen Coder) says use his AI service or you’ll be out of a job.
rozodru@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Github Copilot is so god awful. you’d think having access to millions of repos the thing could actually learn something.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
It’s still okay for boilerplate but is now woefully behind.
I have it through my work and I don’t even use it, bit when I do it’s asking another provider anyway.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Curious when the last time business insider quoted a labor leader without a CEO or capitalist shill quoted inn the same article.
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 8 months ago
CEOs, dude. Some things never change.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Microsoft mouthpiece echoes Microsoft talking point. News at eight.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Call it the network effect, or the momentum of becoming a staple in the tech community, or whatever; GitHub is here to stay for a while, and the leaders in charge of it are well aware of this.
GitHub has gained enough attention that it is almost impossible to ignore. Projects on GitHub tend to attract a level of engagement (code contributions, issue reports, and feedback) that other code forges do not enjoy.
One unfortunate consequence of this, which I have experienced firsthand very recently, is when recruiters ask for links to my past work or open-source contributions but refuse to accept links to relevant repositories on GitLab. The number of companies where this occurred was significant enough for me to set up mirror repositories on GitHub.
Another frustrating but silly consequence was when I was questioned during one of the interviews why my activity graph on GitHub was empty. I had simply not enabled it.
Korne127@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The problem is the inter-connection to see everything a single person does and their stats. There should be the possibility for a new (decentralized) system in which you can authenticate all your known repositories, no matter whether they’re on GitHub, GitLab, Codeberg, self-hosted Gitea or something entirely different. And there you could have links to all your activity and a graph without being bound to any single service.
AusatKeyboardPremi@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That may be a good idea. However, people have had around two or more decades of familiarity with all things centralised and the conveniences associated with it.
It will take a great amount of time and effort to build a equivalently convenient decentralised alternative and to overcome the inertia to migrate to it.
The latter I believe is only possible when something enormously drastic happens. We had a good number of drastic events happen in the last decade (Twitter poisoning, Meta privacy breaches, Reddit shenanigans), but none enough to convince people to move to alternatives.
Another possibility is for regulations and/or governments to support the alternatives, but that may have unintended side effects of its own.
Psaldorn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The git site has instructions on how to create your own git server in 30 mins.
It’s very easy once you know it’s literally just an SSH account.For personal projects or small teams is absolutely fine.
For open source there are lots of GitHub alternatives
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
just saying codeberg and forgejo is right there and doesn't have ai rubbish.
stupe@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Replace the CEOs with AI. Hell, replace all executive positions with AI. Think of the savings!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
They literally don’t do anything other than have meetings and injest executive level reports.
CEOs are unironically the prime candidates for replacing employees with AI, from a direct cost to employ the employee perspective.
I don’t give LLM AIs much credit, but they are more intelligent than the average CEO.
Feyd@programming.dev 8 months ago
No u lol
corroded@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So many people completely miss the mark when it comes to AI and coding. It’s great for code reviews on code you wrote yourself, and it can be handy when you’re developing code for a domain you don’t have much experience in.
What it is not good for is writing code on its own. Not if you want your code to be efficient, or performant, work correctly, or even compile.
addie@feddit.uk 8 months ago
You missed ‘secure’ out of that list. Vibe coding is tantamount to communism, the way that everyone who uses it ends up publicly owned.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Git out.
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So, I use Github to host some very simple projects, such as my world map running with Leaflet.
Is there another place that would let me easily and freely do this?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
gitlab
iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Thanks, I’ll give that a look!
nexas_XIII@midwest.social 8 months ago
Same, i need to find a new place as I use it as basically a free HTML blog and tracker for my table top games.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Thanks for showing your true colors, asshole. I guess the git repositories I have to send potential employers to show the projects that I’ve done in my spare time might have to go self-hosted.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 months ago
welp I guess time to open a codeberg account
TommySoda@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They are so desperate to push this and it’s pretty obvious why. Companies have dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into AI like it was going to revolutionize literally everything and are now forcing it on people to make up for the fact that they were wrong. Don’t get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole “solution for everything” mentality is really starting to backfire and they are just trying to make a profit off their investments. Basically “we spent way more money on this than we should have so you better use it or else.”
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 8 months ago
Don’t get me wrong, AI has its uses, but their whole “solution for everything” mentality
They are trying to somehow undo or redo personal computers.
To create a non-transparent tool that replaces the need (and thus social possibility) to have a universal machine.
The difference between thinking robots and computers as we have them is that thinking robots take some place in the social hierarchy, and computers help everyone who has a computer and uses it.
Science fiction usually portrayed artificial humans, not computers, before actually, ahem, seeing the world as it turned out.
It’s sort of a social power revolt against intellectual power (well, some kind of it).
Like a tantrum. People who don’t like how it really happened still want their deus ex machina, an obedient slave at that, that can take responsibility at that. Their 50 years long shock has receded and they now think they are about to turn this defeat into victory.
only making it bigger and last longer which will only make it worse when it does actually pop
I think that’s deliberate. There are a few companies which will feel very well when the bubble pops, having the actual audience as their main capital, while their capitalization and technologies are secondary. The rest are just blindly led by short-term profits.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Would AI be better CEO’s? They would cost a lot less and probably make better decisions. Just saying.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
A magic 8 ball would be a better CEO. LLMs could probably pull it off fine.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 months ago
I just wrote elsewhere in this thread but to repeat myself: I think the real job of a CEO is to schmooze with other CEOs and rich idiots. They get funding. Everything else is pretty much a liability, and would be better handled by someone with relevant expertise.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
So the board members could replace the CEOs with AI if they desired. I guess their saving grace is it would be hard to extort, blackmail and coerce AI.
sasquash@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
I am convinced AI could replace CEO’s very easily. Making decisions based on trends and lots of data is an easy use case. And if it’s the wrong decision who cares? CEO’s also don’t take and responsibility at all. AI is also a very good lair too.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
It already has.
They’ve drunk their own coolaid. They actually believe their own bullshit. They’ve offloaded what little thinking they used to do onto LLMs. They have them manage their schedules, summarise their emails, write their emails and speeches, and make every single decision for them.
They’re brain-dead computer operated zombies.
The problem is that they keep getting paid absurd amounts of money for being completely useless (and that they’ve always been so useless that no one can tell the difference).
I can’t help but picture the business card scene from American Psycho, but they’re comparing the “AI” assistants they use instead of their cards.
floofloof@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
A CEO’s main job is to spout bullshit, which is also AI’s particular talent.
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
an ai is also often wrong but confidently says they're not wrong so that sounds perfect for ceos too
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
A CEOs main job is to be the fall guy when the company goes fubar.
WindyRebel@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So, yes?
eddanja@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t think he’s wrong in some regards, but only in the ‘AI looks somewhat promising in our future’. He didn’t need to be condescending about it.
Luci@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Looks like I’ll get out then.
warm@kbin.earth 8 months ago
what a pos
the_doktor@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Dear all governments:
Ban AI. Completely.
Love,
Intelligent people
NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
That is really short sighted. We all know it is not AI. The marketing is such bullshit.
But we also know that predictive algorithms can be useful. For instance: digitizing a property line, or identifying features in a lidar cloud, or discovering anomalies in blood cells. Then there are prediction tests and what if scenarios.
Seems like this is the same argument people had about computers in general. Ban all computers they said. Who knows maybe this guy in 1968 was right all along. and computers are the problem.
the_doktor@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
Hey moron, computers by themselves aren’t oftem dangerously wrong and do not severely impact our environmemt with every brain-dead query. Not to mention horribly violate copyright.
I swear to fuck, every time some horrible technology comes along, there are people like you who compare wanting it thrown away with being a complete luddite. It shows your horrible bias and either blind devotion to mega-corporations or your affiliation with one (or more).
Either way: be silent. AI must be destroyed.
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is the not all men’ of AI.
We know that there are use cases but with the massive prevalence of LLMs and image generators being forced i to everything we don’t need to list the exclusions every single time.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Dear intelligent people:
Fuck you
DJT and the entirety of the Republican party