Submitted 3 weeks ago by GrumpyCat@leminal.space to games@lemmy.world
Just another one of those questions that have been on my mind. I want to know what its like to be in a competitive game competition and if its worth it. Theres no way ill even be in 1 because they look hard and im a casual gamer.
Went to a local smash tournament with my friends a while ago now and it became apparent to me that I was really good among my friends, but the worst at a tournament lmao.
That’s definitely how it goes. So many of the people that show up start that way - “I can beat all my friends, I bet I’ll do pretty good in tournaments.” then “Oh no”.
But everybody’s gotta start somewhere.
I participated in a local Unreal Tournament competition and won $3k. Was $75 buy in and I think I got somewhat lucky in my match placement. Lots of terrible players in my bracket while I watched the best pick each other off. Took second honestly by sitting back and picking off kills 🤷♂️.
I did CAL P on in the 1.6 era with middling success.
I barely can get high in the mid tier leagues. Too much specialization, meta, and the playing field is literally thousands of times bigger.
You’ve probably also ages out of it. I never thought it’d happen, but I can feel my hand/eye coordination getting worse over the decades.
It’s well document in Korean pro leagues that APM decreases with age as well.
It’s mostly meta and effort. Your reflexes don’t decline THAT until your 60s. Sure you might not be able to be a top 1% but beyond that it’s mostly just practice and giving fucks lol.
I’m not reading patch notes, I’m playing builds I want and ignoring meta, and I’d rather pop 2 off in the noggin than seek out and practice with better players.
OTOH I’m turning the fastest laps of my life with my auto racing and am chasing a win!
I’ve traveled the world playing tournaments for a little bit.
The big conventions feel insanely cool. It’s like you’re in the game but irl. You are walking down the elevator of your hotel and it feels like just being in the game when you are surrounded by people that you with.
The actual competition I’ve always felt it’s all about who can play less bad. As far as I could tell. Everyone plays worse on stage. For a multitude of reasons. At the end I was playing extremely chill and care free and it showed in the results.
Also something less obvious. Tournaments always developed their own meta. Which I always heard comments from people from home “why didn’t you follow this meta thing. Why did you play such weird strategies?”. It’s because truly if there’s a big competition going on. Everyone good is there. And it’s not even worth getting practice on the normal servers. You have to scrim over and over the people there and that develops its own meta.
I been competing in fighting game tournaments for over a decade. Its a blast, even if you suck. The fighting game community is one of the most welcoming competitive environments I’ve ever been apart of. 10/10, highly recommend.
This. The great thing about fighting games is that today is one of the best times to join: there’s lots of online activity, long past the days in which you needed a local tournament to actually play. You will find a passionate player about literally any fighting game on earth, no matter if it’s an indie title (I suggest Punch Planet!) or an old KOF classic. Hell, good rollback implementation even makes playing on (decent) wi-fi actually acceptable.
For a while I was part of the number one raiding guild on the server with the worst progression in WoW.
Wyrmrest Accord, you were great.
So I got that going for me, I was among the best of the worst for a couple months!
I used to play WoW 5v5 arena competitively in 2007. This was way before they went hard on e-sports so it’s not really comparable to today. Just to give you some perspective, the winning team at blizzcon got $25k which meant $5k each which (again, only in case of winning the world championship) would’ve just so covered my travel costs.
Honestly it was terrible. At first I used to play for fun and only accidentally ended up in a top team. Then my team got way too ambitious and it became more of a chore. I told them early on that I had no interest in playing like that but they couldn’t find a replacement so I kept playing with them until I was fully burned out. It was nice being good at something but it ruined the fun of it.
Yes. I have. Thank you for asking.
Way back in the day, the Cyberathlete Professional League (CPL) had an amateur league fittingly called the Cyberathelete Amateur League (CAL), we had a small team for Enemy Territory: Quake Wars that we competed in, didn’t do stellar but it was a blast, met people from other teams we’d often practice with or just do pub games. It was total beer league type stuff, if you can find a group like that imo it’s worth it.
CAL got somewhat serious at the very top and was basically the precursor to MLG. CAL open was very hit or miss, but at least in CS it got quite serious pretty quickly. Those top players were some of the first ever to get paid semi consistent and were the best in the world at the time.
I played some tourneys through CAL in counterstrike a long time ago and there was some tough competition on the amateur side. The pros were on another level from most amateur teams but a few of the amateur teams could still give them some competition.
I joined a rocket league tournament at a comic-con! But the servers went down just as we were about to play, lol, so I never got to try
Im sure you got your hopes up but its a bummer it never actually happened.
To answer the question I think you are asking: No, I’ve never done any of the modern game competitions or leagues. I am not nearly good enough to compete against anyone who is remotely good enough to compete in gaming competitions. I’m also a completely different gamer these days and prefer to just play more meditative single player games that have bursts of action.
To answer the question in a very literal way: Yes, back in the 80s I made it to the regional finals of the Nintendo World Championships (at the time when the Fred Savage movie The Wizard had just came out). I was up on stage in the central throne chair with the 100ft TV screen behind me projecting my game to 1000s of people in front of me cheering us on. I was roughly 10?? at the time, so I thought I was fucking amazing. I just barely missed out on making it to the next round in some other state because I screwed up placing a long piece in Tetris. I won a hat out of the thing.
I also played in a Tetris tournament at a bar in LA about 15 years ago. I fucking crushed it and won $100.
2 things come to mind:
The first thing is that at one point many years ago we participated in Rocket League’s RLCS. Participation was completely open. We were actually doing quite well until we randomly ran into pro players and got completely demolished. It’s kinda humbling to know that even though you’re part of the top ~1% of players, pro players are still in a totally different league and absolutely unbeatable. Their speed and game sense is so much better than that of any mere mortal, it’s like we weren’t even there. We were probably low Grand Champion around the time, and we got beaten like we would beat Gold ranked players. Personally I don’t mind losing like this, it’s a good learning experience and shows you how much is possible.
At uni I also participated in plenty of LAN parties that had random game competitions. Usually they were games that a lot of us didn’t ever play before. We’d usually start playing the game a few hours in advance to get a feel for it. There I’ve found that I’m quite decent at this usually, but that there are definitely a few people who can get quite decent at a game in 2 hours to the point that they challenge people with casual experience with the game. It as always good fun though, and because I tended to put some effort into it I regularly managed to get into the top 3.
I’ve competed on stage in a rural village in F-29 Retaliatory head2head tournament (over serial cable) around 1993. I’ve gotten to grab first place in a Bo3 single elimination format, defeating my nemesis, Lil’ Cloud, in the finals. I took home a mobo for a 286 (but no cpu, PC case, peripherals or anything else). For a bonus prize, they’ve pitted me against the final final boss, the IT admin from the neighbouring town. I’ve beaten him 4:1 in a Bo7, and my reward was an AdLib card. I did end up using this one in a 386 SX build that my dad bought me a couple months later.
Despite being on stage, I do not remember having any stage fright at all. I remember the crowd around us, but everything got drowned out by the sound blasters screeching the noise into my ears through some cheapo cans. I just remember being baffled that after having my toughest final against Lil’ Cloud, I suddenly have another challenger I have to sit down against.
Around '97 I got sucked in by Quake II in PC cafes, mostly playing FFAs on LAN. However the Q2 scene gradually moved on to QuakeWorld, Quake 3 Arena and Counter Strike. Since my PC was always lagging behind in performance, I chose to stick with QuakeWorld, and mostly played in 320x200 software rendering so I could aim for 120Hz + 120 fps vsync as time passed.
Around this time, between 98-2003 there were a couple LANs in and around Budapest that were CPL feeder events, however QuakeWorld has long been dropped from the biggest international events, and was relegated to mostly online tournaments and smaller local LANs only. Despite this, they always allowed QuakeWorld players in and even offered prices for first three places within categories. However the participants gradually declined from 50:50 Q3/QW to 50:40:10 CS/Q3/QW to 75:20:5 CS/Q3/QW by the end.
In the last LAN where they still allowed QW players in, must have been around 2003, I think we had no more than 50 players out of 600+.
I’ve competed, but not on stage, in the 1v1 category, choking due to nervousness around the quarterfinals, dropping to Loser’s Bracker. I did lose my LB match as well, the nerves never recovered. I remember one of my buddies talking over my shoulder, asking me wtf was wrong with me that I’m making all these mistakes. I came out as a sweaty mess from both matches, feeling totally defeated and unable to process why things were going the way they did. It haunts me to this day and gave me flashbacks to it in online competitive play, like WoW’s Arena 2v2/3v3.
I also competed in 2v2 at the tournament with my best bud as my partner later that day. The nerves were still pretty bad, but I was relying on my partner’s skill to carry us, along with some clever map selections. It was a Bo5, and we knew that with my nerves shot we had to focus on just one map that had mixed shaft (lightning gun)/rocket launcher (RL) play in order to take the series, as otherwise we could dominate maps that relied on RL only, as predictive spawn lockdowns was our forte, in contrast with raw skill/aim. Basically the moment we won first draw for map selection, we knew we could make it a 3:1 or 3:2 at worst if we selected our least favoured map and won it. I’ve still made a lot of mistakes in heated moments, and we did have to draw out one map by deliberately avoiding respawns near the end of the match in order to deny our opponents a win, but in the end my partner carried us to victory.
While the 2v2 finals were not exactly on stage, they did put a cam on a big screen and we also had a bit of a crowd forming around us. Smoking a light joint an hour before the match did help though. I forgot what we won. I just remember receiving a trophy at the finals ceremony and feeling completely undeserving of it. And then moving out of my parent’s basement and in with my buddy, getting high 24/7 for the next 6 months.
As for the question is it even worth it: yes, yes it is. Not when you are older though. At 20+ you are already aged out, and the commitment required is tremendous just to scrape the bottom of the barrel. Better stick to turn based strategy.
I played in a UT2004 tournament at SCALE or LinuxWorld back in the day. I got 2nd or third place and won a Sun backpack and some other swag. First place was a whole ass Sun computer. I played a few Starcraft 2 tournaments but I hate competing in it. It’s a lot of waiting, playing on far servers with worse ping, and playing against much better people a lot of the time.
yes! the old Nintendo World Championships! various pokemon and smash bros tournaments, and will be going to my first EVO this year!
it’s fun as long as you’re passionate about it and don’t fret too much about winning or losing. just have fun with other ppl who also enjoy this hobby and try to learn and keep growing!
In the 80s I went to a public event featuring the California Joy Stick; “Joy” referring to the brand of dish soap. There’s probably a more common name for it. It’s a device made of a large fabric loop on a stick with a nut for holding the loop open. You dip it in a solution of water, dish soap, and glycerine, and then open the loop to the breeze or walk with it. You can create bubbles tens of metres long, and wide and tall enough for a person to stand inside. I’m surprised it isn’t still a thing people do, you could easily make one.
There was a bubble making competition. Most of the competitors seemed to be quite casual, but most of them found it fairly easy to be competitive.
I almost qualified for the World Cyber Games LAN event at some point.
I played in a Halo 2 tournament at my local theater when I was a kid. Got second place. Won a wristband 👍
Summer of 2005. Played one round of CS Source on stage at CPL. We lost.
I’ve been in a few, but not the big cash prize tournaments they have now. I was in the TF2 studio rumble around `09ish against several game development studios. We made it through 3-4 rounds until we played against Valve, who of course wiped the floor with everyone. Later I joined a competitive team for a game called Guns of Icarus. It was fun at first and we did really well, but over time it became more and more stressful as we focused on winning over having fun. I finally gave it up because the competition eventually took all the fun out of the game.
What do you mean exactly by “wiped the floor with us”? Even if they are the devs of the game they’re still devs, not pro players. How much better could they be?
Valve was the only team that seemed to have a plan. The matches we played beforehand were sort of like a really good public match. People were taking it seriously, playing well, communicating, and going for objectives, but there was still a lot of “doing your own thing” and not a lot of team strategy. I think most of the studios, including ours, were just in it for the fun and didnt really practice very much beforehand.
I believe we were on gravelpit when we played valve (might have been dustbowl or one of the other western looking maps, this was back in 07 so it’s been a while). The spawn gates were sort of down in a dip in the ground, and on the defenders side where we couldnt see yet, they setup a row of turrets with a row of dispensers behind them. Like a lot of them, probably half the team or more was engineer. When the gates opened, anyone that went down into that little dip was immediately wrecked. Their engineers were running between the rows constantly spamming repairs, and they had pyros spamming flames to catch spies. We almost broke out a couple of times, but in the end never made it out of the spawn area.
The devs are usually pretty good at their games, especially when it’s a passion project and in the earlier years of the game.
Sometimes devs are pretty good at their games. Other times, they bring QA who are typically really good at their games.
But it was a tournament among gaming studios, with Valve being on home turf basically.
It’s like when you had the Blizzard dev smurf the SC2 ladders at a really high level, but the guy regularly lost to the actual Korean pros.
Never video games, but I came in second my only ever Magic the Gathering competition, was probably 1998 or somewhere around there. Was a counter spell/horseshoe crab deck. Lost against a very similar deck.
When I was very young and video game places were a thing, I entered the nation wide Tron contest. It was fun, I won lots of tokens, and came in second to the winner over the whole US. :)
I’ve done a few competitions of various sorts, yeah Most of them have been tournaments. I lost all of them.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A friend and I entered a local Magic the Gathering tournament. I had just taught him how to play, and he had picked up a few cards of his own and talked me into giving it a shot.
I sat down across from my opponent and watched him peel the plastic off of a deck that he just bought, and pummeled me with a pre built elf synergy deck.
My friend got stuck in a neverending healing token deck. He couldn’t do enough damage to break all the healers, and the healer didn’t have anything strong enough to get past his defenses, they just sat there dealing and healing infinite damage for what felt like forever.