Finally it seems the end of Reddit is near.
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Reddit users in the UK must now upload selfies to access NSFW subreddits
Submitted 2 weeks ago by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to technology@lemmy.world
https://mashable.com/article/reddit-age-verification-check-uk-law-online-safety
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genevieve@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
UK is full blown authoritarian now. They have been arresting journalists who are covering the genocide in Gaza and designated a direct action protest group as a terrorist organisation.
survirtual@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These assholes are all pedophiles and they use it to control the planet. To get to high levels of government, you must enter the shadow contract of pedophilia. It is easy to control people and trust people with that kind of shadow on them, so it is required.
Then they turn around and use pedophilia to control everyone else. Any tech that threatens their power, they can immediately shutdown by pedo-bombing it. The counter to pedobombing is authoritarian moderation. Once you have that, it is over. The government they control now can control the mods, and that means they control the narrative. THAT is one of the core enemies to fight. An alternative to Reddit or any other system is not enough.
Because pedophilia is such a taboo / social death sentence, it is among the most powerful shadow contracts.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is a combination of terrible legislation in the UK meets awful social media site.
The Online Safety Act is an abomination, compromising the privacy and freedom of the vast majority of the UK in the name of “protecting children”.
I’m of the view parents are responsible for protecting their children. I know it’s hard but the Online Safety Act is not a solution.
All it will.do is compromise the privacy and security of law abiding adults while kids will still access porn and all the other really bad stuff on the Internet will actually be unaffected. The dark illegal shit on the Internet is not happening on Pornhub or Reddit.
The UK is gradually sliding further and further into censorship, and authoritarianism and all the in the name of do gooders. It’s scary to watch.
SippyCup@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
The online safety act isn’t actually about protecting children. That’s a smoke screen for a surveillance bill. They want to eliminate anonymity online.
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
Forcing adults to verify their identity, rather than simply activating some broad based restrictions on devices being purchased for child use, is a waste of time. Kids will still find workarounds. Adult privacy will be compromised.
Its also an easily enforceable policy to require registration of children’s devices. You can hold the parents to compliance. You can hold the carriers to compliance. Its truly the simplest way to keep kids from accessing porn without having to mess with adult use of the internet whatsoever
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The solution to all of this “think of the children” stuff is that devices owned/used by children should have to be registered as a child’s device, which would enable certain content blockers.
That’s kinda the case right now already, but the problem is that adult-only sites don’t work with that currently.
So the right solution would be to mandate that e.g. all sites are required to return a header with an age recommendation or something similar, so that a device set to child-mode then can block all these sites. And if a site doesn’t set the header, it will also get blocked on child-mode devices
Wouldn’t be too hard to do, and accidental overblocking would only occur on child-mode devices, so there’s not much of a loss there.
Legislation could then be focussed on mandating that these headers aren’t falsely set (e.g. a porn site setting the header to child-friendly).
iii@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Adult privacy will be compromised.
Goal achieved. “Think of the children” is subterfuge.
anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t think this is a good idea…
This is even more invasive - it would mean all the traffic and activity in every device would be traceable to a registration. Whereas now they might have a pretty good lock on individual device ids, they’d then have an actual registry of devices and owners to verify it against
aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The arguments that I’ve seen against that is that the problem is the hardware. The child can figure out/find a hack to circumvent the restrictions. A determined 11/12 year old could do it. They’re the ones who still need restriction.
jasory@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Your solution is worse.
As is, it is the responsibility of the content provider to make sure that they are distributing only to people who are legally allowed to have it.
With age-verification the user has to prove that they are allowed to access the content, then the site can distribute it to them.
Your approach is to distribute the content by default and only deny it to ChildDevices. In order for this to work at all, you have to mandate that children can only use ChildDevices. This is soooo much worse than simply requiring that adults who want to see certain content have to prove that they can legally access it. If adults have reservations about providing ID for pornography, the loss of such content seems to be much less than denying children Internet access. (Although, I’m sure that Lemmings would disagree for obvious reasons).
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
that's what happens when the uk has had 40+ years of constant tory rule (and yes blue labour are tories)
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If a politician says it’s to help this children, it’s almost safe to assume they themselves rape children, at least in America.
ageek@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Next in the news: “500k Usernames, Passwords and biometric data leaked in the latest hack”
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
So…coming soon: an app that can match up images of friends or colleagues with a summary of their pornography preferences.
This could at least liven up some boring meetings or dull parties…
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Remember those are just the ones you hear about. Plenty happen and are never talked about by either side for obvious reasons.
MangoCats@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
Who is not “Rick Rolling” this with a selfie of a stock photo (or a frame from “Never Gonna Give you Up”?)
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I will definitely trust an internet stranger with my face so they can verify that I’m not underage to access content which could, in case of being leaked, damage my reputation or even destroy my life.
DEFINITELY
DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, fuck all that.
Guess we’re transitioning into a VPN only future.
We have the opportunity to head into a utopic or dystopic future and we’re absolutely choosing the dystopic one.
plz1@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They’ll criminalize personal VPN users for non-work purposes, next.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Work VPN doesn’t look any different to any other VPN to the people tapping the lines.
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ll just use a VPN to hide my VPN use and then they’ll never know.
Soggy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good luck, I’m behind 7 proxies.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
for non-work purposes
Sounds like a loophole to me!
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A VPN future? Haha. Not if they don’t want to. There are many ways to prevent VPN from operating when you’re a government.
You can just plain ban encryption, which sounds really crazy, but yeah, they’re trying to.
You can just say “it’s illegal to use a VPN”. It’ll technically still work, but if there’s a trace of trafic from your house to a known VPN endpoint, you’re it! Great!
They can force custom proprietary spying software on your devices. Sounds equally crazy as the thing above, right? But rest assured they’re ALSO trying to do that. Multiple times, even. And in some places… they did. Of course, nothing forces you to have such software on your device. Especially if your devices are not supported; it also turns into a “you have to buy this or that big name device, everything else’s de-facto illegal! Fuck you, we’re the government!”. And if you get caught for whatever, and your phone, PC, or anything isn’t “compliant”? Bam. Guilty.
Plenty of option. All of them completely stupid and would weaken both privacy, individuals, and governments at large. It never stopped legislation from being pushed forward.
DFX4509B_2@lemmy.org 2 weeks ago
They can force custom proprietary spying software on your devices.
- That would block Linux from their borders, which means goodbye Steam Deck in the UK among other things.
RagingRobot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t think we ever really had a choice
breecher@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Indeed. With our current system it was only a matter of time. As soon as the internet became a default thing which everyone needed to access just to function in their daily lives, it would of course be subjected to the exact same exploitative mechanisms that the non-internet part of our lives have suffered from since the dawn of history.
bnrnrtbgd@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If the UK is going to require adult verification it should be built into your internet contract. Yeah, I’m an adult. I’m paying my bills, of course I’m a fucking adult. I over pay for this garbage internet.
Uploading a selfie? The ai is going to determine if you’re over 18? Can the ai determine if the selfie is also ai?
TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Yeah, it’s some serious BS. They are forcing you to hand over and trust Reddit with your personal information, yet I wouldn’t trust them if my life depended on it.
At the very least, someone in charge of this legisltion should learn OAuth2 and force the sites they want to comply by only let those OAuth2 accounts access their adult content. If I was in the UK, I’d just pay for a VPN over giving my photo to Reddit. That site is a lobby brigade hellhole whose “we know your dark secrets, we know everything” owner is also probably trading your account details on the side.
fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Can the AI determine if I’m just uploading photos of Kier Starmer as my ID?
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
The current answer is that it is very difficult to determine if something was AI generated at scale, and if someone puts some effort in its effectively impossible currently.
Denjin@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
What if I’m actually a set of traffic lights and the AI can’t work out what I am from my selfie?
essteeyou@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I identify as a zebra crossing.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
it should be built into your internet contract
This works fine with personal contracts like your mobile. (EE has a porn filter that you can disable in your account.)
But it doesn’t quite work for contracts that usually have multiple users. Like your home Internet. Because a child could connect to your WiFi and access that shmutz.
bnrnrtbgd@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Parental controls exist. Why should single adults be forced to jump through hoops because most parents are lazy fucks who don’t take responsibility for their kids?
notarobot@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Then have the ISPs provide an interface to set which devices can access porn. No ID required.
Quibblekrust@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Just send an AI selfie problem solved.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Like father, like son, I guess.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Well, I guess i am going to be regularly updating the metadata on my most recent selfie.
TheBat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
jjmoldy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’ll almost certainly be an AI model doing it.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That brings up an interesting thought. What if people uploaded AI generated selfies?
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, this is showing up at roughly the same time we can get (almost) free 5 second video generation from some services, and fast still picture generation on consumer grade hardware. It’s the perfect combination of useless, stupid, and obsolete, all in one very pricey and very dangerous precedent-filled package.
pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
It’ll almost certainly be an AI model backed by 1000s of “trainers” in 3rd world countries doing it, but only until the model is fully trained.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
thats not what pov means, upload a selfie as punishment
Uranium_Green@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That could very well be the POV of the intern having to approve career gooners
jjmoldy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
POV = point of view. The intern’s point of view. They’re looking at the selfies submitted by gooners. Idk what you’re talking about.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
u/spez was the lead moderator of r/jailbait, and when he was caught, he got rid of mod transparency. Ghilisaine Maxwell was likely a l lead moderator of news Reddits as well (u/MaxwellHill). Reddit has always been compromised.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The speed they banned r/pizzagate was illuminating.
Krompus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m not defending Spez, I think he’s a piece of shit and he did edit other users’ comments that were critical of him, which is fucked up, but I don’t think he was actually involved with that sub. It was possible to appoint mods without their knowledge or consent, and he’s a huge target, someone must have done it as a joke.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I don’t agree but I can understand that it is possible, however as someone that used to post adult content professionally on Reddit, I’m going to let you know that there is some WEIRD SHIT going on with their porn subs that seemingly Spez orchestrates at a site level.
Posting OC porn on Reddit is made to be deliberately difficult, you have to submit custom doxxing pictures to mods privately on any bigger sub, the little subs get very little traffic unless it’s like a niche kink. They often have rules like no professionals or SWers, OC only, but then allow Amaranth posts from a fan as if she isn’t a sex worker like anyone else lol. Crossposting or even posting the same picture more than once across 2 forums can earn removal or bans, eg a see through top + wet panties in one pic qualifies for 2 diff subs, but I can only post that pic to 1 of them or risk permaban. And there’s more actually in how difficult they make it to post but it’s kinda boring in terms of details.
Will say, I made my own subreddit - that got removed, no notice or warnings, even though it was active and no site violations and was doing well for at least 6 months.
The girls who are popular on Reddit are not organically so. The posts that are popular are not organically so. They are being promoted by Reddit and the mods themselves. They act as their pimps and stop others from taking any attention or money away from their girls. I am not joking. He is part of the Maxwell stuff.
axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
what’s the topic of r/jailbait?
Outwit1294@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
This whole thing is a security disaster waiting to happen.
jhoward@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
What’s to stop uploading a random picture of a person? Or even an AI generated person? I get what they’re trying to do, but seems like legislative theater more than anything.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Meh, just upload a dick pic.
crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lmao when the “anonymous” online forum requires de-anonymizing, I want to hope everyone leaves
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
I’m a UK citizen, fuck everything about this law. I’m so sick of the current authoritarian trend amongst some western countries. The UK is one of the worst offenders.
It’s not even about protecting kids. It’s about control and appeasing puritanical elements in society. We’re the 6th richest economy in the world and we can’t even offer some of the poorest kids food security. But at least they can’t see a pair of tits on Reddit.
misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
To follow compliance with the Know Your Customer Pornographic Materials Act, please use the following guidelines for your photograph:
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The picture must be clear, at least 720x480p.
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The picture must include your entire body, including your head and toes. Portrait only. *This helps us identify you better.
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Please remove any articles of clothing, your body must be unimpeded by any obstruction. *Burqas and other headscarves must be removed, no exceptions.
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If you were assigned female at birth, you will be required to rotate 180 degrees and upload another portrait photograph of your back. *Please use only your valid binary gender at birth, either male or female.
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Further requests for identification photos are at our discretion, our board has full authority. You may be required to upload alternative photos, such as positions bending over to help us identify your genitalia to ensure it matches your birth gender.
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fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They better be NSFW selfies.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We thought the same thing about Netflix with the sharing password bans. Yet they retained more profit than ever the next year.
Who’s to say if this is what will make Reddit end, or did they actually just got more successful after the end of 3rd party apps compared to the declaration of so many users back then?
Digital personal verification is just going to become a fact of life in the future for everyone born after about 2012. They will use online ID cards, biometrics, location metadata that is constantly uploaded by our devices, maybe even implanted RFID encrypted chips for account verification. Passwords are becoming outdated and outmoded for security as we speak here. 2FA is the minimum security for online today but that may soon become outmoded as well.
deathbird@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Keeping the age verifier seperate from the content host is good. Destroying the files used for verification is good. On paper it’s not too a bad system for age verification, but it really hinges on if you can trust them. Given the track record of basically almost every company and government ever…
Cliff@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just upload a picture of any politician who voted for this.
IllNess@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
There’s a bunch of AI face generating pictures. I wonder if you can just use those. Or maybe this is just to create a new law to arrest people of uploading fake pictures…
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Kier Starmer voice: “We are an island of wankers”
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hm, I’m going to need some software engineers to critique an idea I have that could at least partially solve the fears people have about their personal details being tied to their porn habits.
The system will be called the Adult Content Verification System (or Wank Card if you want to be funny). It’s a physical card, printed by the government with a unique key printed on it. Those cards are then sold by any shop that has an alcohol license (premises or personal). You go in, show your ID to the clerk, buy the card. That card is proof that you’re over 18, but it is not directly tied to you, you just have to be over 18 to buy it. The punishment for selling a Wank Card to someone under the age of 18 is the same as if you sold alcohol to someone under 18.
When you go to the porn site, they check if you’re from the UK, they check if you have a key associated with your account. If not, they ask for one, you provide the key to the site, the site does an API call to
https://wankcard.gov.uk/api/verifywith the site’s API key (freely generated) and the key on the card, gets a response saying “Yep! This is a valid key!” and hey presto, free to wank and nobody knows it’s you! If you don’t have an account, the verification would have to be tied to a cookie or something that disappears after a while for all you anonymous people.As a result, you can both prove that you’re over 18 (because you have the card) and some company over in San Francisco doesn’t get your personal data, because you never actually record it anywhere. All you have is keys, and while yes, the government could record “Oh this key was used to verify on this site”, they’d have to know which shop the key was bought from, who sold it, and who bought it, which is a lot more difficult to do unless the shopkeeper keeps records of everyone he’s ever sold to.
So… Good idea? Bad idea? Better than the current approach anyway, I think.
berno@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck Reddit fuck spez
Gutek8134@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let’s see how much VPN subscription count will go up
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
This is the facebook “show a video of your face” bs all over again. glad i don’t use either site bc not only is it a huge privacy concern, you know they store all that data and are going to sell it and/or use it to train AI models
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sending a dick pick. Now it’s whatever is in front of these to make a though decision.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Just post on them. Two birds with one stone.
But if you do comply, double down by ringing Kier Starmer up and letting him (and your local MP) know what you’ve been wanking off to, since he’s so fucking interested. He could have blocked this, but he let it run because he also agrees with it.
I wonder if there’s a browser addon to make an itemised list of all the videos and camgirls and then I can send it to him on a regular basis. It should log when you close the browser window so it knows when you’ve “finished” so to speak. Maybe I could highlight those videos in bold for him, so he can skip right to the good ones.
genevieve@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
dugmeup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Time to go to LemmyNSFW
blackn1ght@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Under the new UK law, lemmynsfw would also need to have some kind of age verification for UK users.
lotharmatthaeus@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That’s always down when I want to use it :(
themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
It is not just that, I don’t trust Persona security, it a malicious actor installed a silent program that monitors users and sends it to a command and control center they probably won’t know for months or even years. Cyber security these is very bad in most companies.
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Very careful wording there to switch between Persona and Reddit to conveniently omit one from the justification given by the other.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Presses X furiously
clot27@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Oh the cute little corpo is promising to delete your data, how can we not trust him🥺🥺
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Google uses reddit for its AI training. Just saying.
Almacca@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
God help us all.
gigachad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why doubt, I mean they promised?