Submitted 19 hours ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
We have never been at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with East Asia
So “Deleting errors” meaning rewriting history, further fuckin’ up facts and definitely sowing hatred and misinformation. Just call it like it is, techbro‘s new reality. 🖕🏻
advanced reasoning
If it’s so advanced, it should be able to reason out that all human knowledge is standing in the shoulders of others and how errors have prompted us to explore other areas and learn things we never would have otherwise.
iamverysmart
When you think he can’t be more of a wanker with an ameba brain… He surprises you
Aren’t you not supposed to train LLMs on LLM-generated content?
Also he should call it Grok 5; so powerful that it skips over 4. That would be very characteristic of him
There are, as I understand it, ways that you can train on AI generated material without inviting model collapse, but that’s more to do with distilling the output of a model. What Musk is describing is absolutely wholesale confabulation being fed back into the next generation of their model. It’s also a total pipe dream. Getting an AI to rewrite something like the total training data set to your exact requirements, and verifying that it had done so satisfactorily would be an absolutely monumental undertaking. The compute time alone would be staggering and the human labour (to check the output) many times higher than that.
But the whiny little piss baby is mad that his own AI keeps fact checking him, and his engineers have already explained that coding it to lie doesn’t really work because the training data tends to outweigh the initial prompt, so this is the best theory he can come up with for how he can “fix” his AI expressing reality’s well known liberal bias.
Model collapse is the ideal.
Musk probably heard about “synthetic data” training, which is where you use machine learning to create thousands of things that are typical-enough to be good training data. Microsoft uses it to take documents users upload to Office365, train the ML model, and then use that ML output to train an LLM so they can technically say “no, your data any used to train an LLM.” Because it trained the thing that trained the LLM.
However, you can’t do that with LLM output and stuff like… History. WTF evidence and documents are the basis for the crap he wants to add? The hallucinations will just compound because who’s going to cross-check this other than Grok anyway?
There’s some nuance.
Using LLMs to augment data, especially for fine tuning (not training the base model), is a sound method. The Deepseek paper using, for instance, generated reasoning traces is famous for it.
Another is using LLMs to generate logprobs of text, and train not just on the text itself but on the *probability a frontier LLM sees in every ‘word.’ This is called distillation, though there’s some variation and complication.
But yes, the “dumb” way, aka putting data into a text box and asking an LLM to correct it, is dumb and dumber, because:
You introduce some combination of sampling errors and repetition/overused word issues, depending on the sampling settings
You possibly pollute your dataset with “filler”
In Musks specific proposition, it doesn’t even fill knowledge gaps the old Grok has.
In other words, Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.
Watch the documentary “Multiplicity”.
I rented that multiple times when it came out!
If we would talk like this, we’d end up in a padded room and drugged to kingdom come. And for good reason, I should say.
I’m sure the second Grok in the human centipede will find that very nutritious.
If you use that Grok, you’ll be third in the centipede. Enjoy.
I figure the whole point of this stuff is to trick people into replacing their own thoughts with these models, and effectively replace consensus reality with nonsense. Meanwhile, the oligarchy will utilise mass data collection via Palantir and ML to power the police state.
I don’t like it but sure seems like you’re correct :(
Has consensus reality ever been a thing?
Most if not all leading models use synthetic data extensively to do exactly this. However, the synthetic data needs to be well defined and essentially programmed by the data scientists. If you don’t define the data very carefully, ideally math or programs you can verify as correct automatically, it’s worse than useless. The scope is usually very narrow, no hitchhikers guide to the galaxy rewrite.
But in any case he’s probably just parroting whatever his engineers pitched him to look smart and in charge.
What a loser. He’ll keep rewriting it until it fits his world-view
That’s a hell of way to say that he wants to rewrite history.
This is it I’m adding ‘Musk’ to my block list I’m so tired of the pseudo intellectual bullshit with bad interpretation science fiction work
I think deep down musk knows he’s fairly mediocre intelligence wise. I think the drugs allow him to temporarily forget that.
How does anyone consider him a “genius”? This guy is just so stupid.
Guessing some kind of PR campaign that he purchased to make him look like a genius on TV and movies.
It took a while but in the end we found out why the internet was full of Putin and Musk’s memes a few years ago.
Meme image: Elon ducking his own tiny nub.
Every single endeavor that musk is involved in, is toxic af. He, and all of this businesses, are cancers metastasizing within our society. We really should remove them.
We will take the entire library of human knowledge, cleans it, and ensure our version is the only record available.
The only comfort I have is knowing anything that is true can be relearned by observing reality through the lense of science, which is itself reproducible from observing how we observe reality.
Leme guess. The holocaust was a myth is first on his list.
He should just goto hell early.
He should just goto hell early.
He’s going to Mars as soon as FSD on Tesla is ready, next year for sure!, to not blow in his rocket then once there chat with his amazing chatbot telling him, with 20min delay for each message, that he truly is the best.
What an absolute retard.
Just one of those errors to be deleted.
It already proved its inability with facts with its white genocide rantings.
I have Twitter blocked at my router.
Please tell me one of the “politically incorrect but objectively true” facts was that Elon is a pedophile.
That’s not how knowledge works. You can’t just have an LLM hallucinate in missing gaps in knowledge and call it good.
And then retrain on the hallucinated knowledge
Yeah, this would be a stupid plan based on a defective understanding of how LLMs work even before taking the blatant ulterior motives into account.
i’ll allow it so long as grok acknowledges that musk was made rich from inherited wealth that was created using an apartheid emerald mine.
Good thing he’s not trying to rewrite the Human Animus, because that’s how you end up losing Deimos.
Like all Point-Haired Bosses through the history, Elon has not heard of (or consciously chooses to ignore) one of the fundamental laws of computing: garbage in, garbage out
Maybe someone should write a new Art of War to explain to tech CEOs the basic ins and outs of technology development.
The basic shit every person working in the field understands. Except for the out-of-touch management. Call it the Art of Commerce or something.
Garbage out is what he aims for.
What a fucking idiot
adding missing information
From where?
Frog DNA
Musk’s fascist ass.
He wants to give Grok some digital ketamine and/or other psychoactive LLM mind expansives.
This is the Ministry of Truth.
This is the Ministry of Truth on AI.
Actually one of the characters in 1984 works in the department that produces computer generated romance novels. Orwell pretty accurately predicted the idea of AI slop as a propaganda tool.
Prepare for Grokipedia to only have one article about white genocide, then every other article links to “Did you mean White Genocide?”
“And the Libertarian founding fathers defeated the woke pro-slavery communists, to get rid of the DEI british and found America (which was uninhabited at the time)” -Grok
squaresinger@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
First error to correct: