Elon Musk wants to rewrite "the entire corpus of human knowledge" with Grok

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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.

Then retrain on that.

Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.

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MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Isn’t everyone just sick of his bullshit though?

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- mannycalavera@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  US tax payers clearly aren’t since they’re subsidising his drug habit.
  
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  - MagicShel@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    If we had direct control over how our tax dollars were spent, about would be different pretty fast. Might not be better, but different.
    
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dalekcaan@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

adding missing information and deleting errors

Which is to say, “I’m sick of Grok accurately portraying me as an evil dipshit, so I’m going to feed it a bunch of right-wing talking points and get rid of anything that hurts my feelings.”

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- b3an@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That is definitely how I read it.
  
  History can’t just be ‘rewritten’ by A.I. and taken as truth. That’s fucking stupid.
  
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  - ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s truth in Whitemanistan though
    
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maxfield@pf.z.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The plan to "rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge" with AI sounds impressive until you realize LLMs are just pattern-matching systems that remix existing text. They can't create genuinely new knowledge or identify "missing information" that wasn't already in their training data.

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- SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Remember the “white genocide in South Africa” nonsense? That kind of rewriting of history.
  
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  - BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s not the LLM doing that though. It’s the people feeding it information
    
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- zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Generally, yes. However, there have been some incredible (borderline “magic”) emergent generalization capabilities that I don’t think anyone was expecting.
  
  Modern AI is more than just “pattern matching” at this point. Yes at the lowest levels, sure that’s what it’s doing, but then you could also say human brains are just pattern matching at that same low level.
  
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  - queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Nothing that has been demonstrated makes me think these chatbots should be allowed to rewrite human history what the fuck?!
    
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- eecobb@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  But Grok 3.5/4 has Advanced Reasoning
  
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  - const_void@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Surprised he didn’t name it Giga Reasoning or some other dumb shit.
    
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- WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  To be fair, your brain is a pattern-matching system.
  
  When you catch a ball, you’re not doing the physics calculations in your head- you’re making predictions based on an enormous quantity of input. Unless you’re being very deliberate, you’re not thinking before you speak every word- your brain’s predictive processing takes over and you often literally speak before you think.
  
  Fuck LLMs- but I think it’s a bit wild to dismiss the power of a sufficiently advanced pattern-matching system.
  
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  - zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I said literally this in my reply, and the lemmy hivemind downvoted me. Beware of sharing information here I guess.
    
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finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“If we take this 0.84 accuracy model and train another 0.84 accuracy model on it that will make it a 1.68 accuracy model!”

~Fucking Dumbass

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- Hupf@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  1.68 IQ move
  
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  - Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    More like 0.7056 IQ move.
    
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bufalo1973@europe.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
[My] translation: “I want to rewrite history to what I want”.

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- Klear@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  That was my first impression, but then it shifted into “I want my AI to be the shittiest of them all”.
  
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  - Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Why not both?
    
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Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

adding missing information

Did you mean: hallucinate on purpose?

Wasn’t he going to lay off the ketamine for a while?

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- Carmakazi@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He means rewrite every narrative to his liking, like the benevolent god-sage he thinks he is.
  
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  - ahornsirup@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Let’s not beat around the bush here, he wants it to sprout fascist propaganda.
    
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- BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Yeah, let’s a technology already known for filling in gaps with invented nonsense and use that as our new training paradigm.
  
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Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
He’s been frustrated by the fact that he can’t make Wikipedia ‘tell the truth’ for years. This will be his attempt to replace it.

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- wrinkledoo@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There are thousands of backups of wikipedia, and you can download the entire thing legally, for free.
  
  He’ll never be rid of it.
  
  Wikipedia may even outlive humanity, ever so slightly.
  
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  - tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Wikipedia may even outlive humanity, ever so slightly.
    
    Yes
    
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  - sthetic@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Seconds after the last human being dies, the Wikipedia page is updated to read:
    
    Humans (Homo sapiens) or modern humans were the most common and widespread species of primate
    
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Naevermix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Elon Musk, like most pseudo intellectuals, has a very shallow understanding of things. Human knowledge is full of holes, and they cannot simply be resolved through logic, which Mush the dweeb imagines.

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- why0y@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Uh, just a thought. Please pardon, I’m not an Elon shill, I just think your argument phrasing is off.
  
  How would you know there are holes in understanding, without logic. How would you remedy gaps of understanding in human knowledge, without the application of logic to find things are consistent?
  
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  - andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You have to have data to apply your logic too.
    
    If it is raining, the sidewalk is wet. Does that mean if the sidewalk is wet, that it is raining?
    
    There are domains of human knowledge that we will never have data on. There’s no logical way for me to 100% determine what was in Abraham Lincoln’s pockets on the day he was shot.
    
    When you read real academic texts, you’ll notice that there is always the “this suggests that,” “we can speculate that,” etc etc. The real world is not straight math and binary logic.
    
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brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I elaborated below, but basically Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.

If I had his “f you” money, I’d at least try a diffusion bitnet model (and open the weights), and probably 100 other papers I consider low hanging fruit, before this absolutely dumb boomer take.

He’s such an idiot know it all. It’s so painful whenever he ventures into a field you sorta know.

But he might just be shouting nonsense on Twitter while X employees actually do something different. Because if they take his orders verbatim they’re going to get crap models, even with all the stupid brute force they have.

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namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Whatever. The next generation will have to learn to trust whether the material is true or not by using sources like Wikipedia or books by well-regarded authors.

The other thing that he doesn’t understand (and most “AI” advocates don’t either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They’re just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context. Anyone trying to address the facts and information produced by these models is completely missing the point.

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- Kyrgizion@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Thinking wikipedia or other unbiased sources will still be available in a decade or so is wishful thinking. Once the digital stranglehold kicks in, it’ll be mandatory sign-in with gov vetted identity provider and your sources will be limited to what that gov allows you to see. MMW.
  
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  - namingthingsiseasy@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wikipedia is quite resilient - you can even put it on a USB drive. As long as you have a free operating system, there will always be ways to access it.
    
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  - coolmojo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Yes. There will be no websites only AI and apps. You will be automatically logged in to the apps. Linux, Lemmy will be baned. We will be classed as hackers and criminals. We probably have to build our own mesh network for communication or access it from a secret location.
    
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- aaron@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.
  
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  - TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Wikipedia gives lists of their sources, judge what you read based off of that. Or just skip to the sources and read them instead.
    
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  - Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.
    
    Wikipedia presents the views of reliable sources on notable topics. The trick is what sources are considered “reliable” and what topics are “notable”, which is why it’s such a poor source of information for things like contemporary politics in particular.
    
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  - Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    So what would you consider to be a trustworthy source?
    
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- theneverfox@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  The other thing that he doesn’t understand (and most “AI” advocates don’t either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They’re just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context.
  
  That’s a massive oversimplification, it’s like saying humans don’t remember things, we just have neurons that fire based on context
  
  LLMs do actually “know” things. They work based on tokens and weights, which are the nodes and edges of a high dimensional graph. The llm traverses this graph as it processes inputs and generates new tokens
  
  You can do brain surgery on an llm and change what it knows, we have a very good understanding of how this works. You can change a single link and the model will believe the Eiffel tower is in Rome, and it’ll describe how you have a great view of the colosseum from the top
  
  The problem is that it’s very complicated and complex, researchers are currently developing new math to let us do this in a useful way
  
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TheDeadlySquid@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“Deleting Errors” should sound alarm bells in your head.

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- Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  And the adding missing information doesn’t. Isn’t that just saying we are going to make shit up.
  
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Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
“and then on retrain on that”

Thats called model collapse.

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Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Dude is gonna spend Manhattan Project level money making another stupid fucking shitbot. Trained on regurgitated AI Slop.

Glorious.

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rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So where will Musk find that missing information and how will he detect “errors”?

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- 18107@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I expect he’ll ask Grok and believe the answer.
  
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ViatorOmnium@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Because neural networks aren't known to suffer from model collapse when using their output as training data. /s

Most billionaires are mediocre sociopaths but Elon Musk takes it to the "Emperors New Clothes" levels of intellectual destitution.

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JustAPenguin@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
The thing that annoys me most is that there have been studies done on LLMs where, when trained on subsets of output, it produces increasingly noisier output.

Sources (unordered):

What is model collapse?

AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data

Large Language Models Suffer From Their Own Output: An Analysis of the Self-Consuming Training Loop

Collapse of Self-trained Language Models

Whatever nonsense Muskrat is spewing, it is factually incorrect. He won’t be able to successfully retrain any model on generated content. At least, not an LLM if he wants a successful product. If anything, he will be producing a model that is heavily trained on censored datasets.
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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s not so simple, there are successful methods of zero data ‘self play’ or other schemes for using other LLM’s output. Though distillation is probably the only one you’d want for a pretrain, specifically.
  
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JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Training an AI model on AI output? Isn’t that like the one big no-no?

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- breecher@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  We have seen from his many other comments about this, that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points. So that will definitely be easier to achieve if he does it that way.
  
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  - Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points.
    
    Then he has utterly failed with Grok. One of my new favorite pastimes is watching right wingers get angry that Grok won’t support their most obviously counterfactual bullshit and then proceed to try to argue it into saying something they can declare a win from.
    
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- Honytawk@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  They used to think that, but it is actually not that bad.
  
  Like iterations with machine learning, you can train it with optimized output.
  
  That isn’t the dumb part about this.
  
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RattlerSix@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I never would have thought it possible that a person could be so full of themselves to say something like that

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- jaemo@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  An interesting thought experiment: I think he’s full of shit, you think he’s full of himself. Maybe there’s a “theory of everything” here somewhere. E = shit squared?
  
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  - tias@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    He is a little shit, he’s full of shit, ergo he’s full of himself
    
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Crikeste@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So they’re just going to fill it with Hitler’s world view, got it.

Typical and expected.

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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I mean, this is the same guy who said we’d be living on Mars in 2025.
  
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  - eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    In a sense, he’s right. I miss good old Earth.
    
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Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So just making shit up.

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- Peerpeer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Don’t forget the retraining on the made up shit part!
  
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releaseTheTomatoes@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Spoiler: He’s gonna fix the “missing” information with MISinformation.

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- uairhahs@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  She sounds Hot
  
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  - ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    She’s unfortunately can’t see you because of financial difficulties. You gotta give her money like I do. One day, I will see her in person.
    
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MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
iamverysmart

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AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Lol turns out elon has no fucking idea about how llms work

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- Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s pretty obvious where the white genocide “bug” came from.
  
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nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
If we would talk like this, we’d end up in a padded room and drugged to kingdom come. And for good reason, I should say.

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Antaeus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Elon should seriously see a medical professional.

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- D_C@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I’ll have you know he’s seeing a medical professional at least once a day. Sometimes multiple times!!!
  
  (On an absolutely and completely unrelated note ketamine dealers are medical professionals, yeah?)
  
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  - Antaeus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    LOL 🤣
    
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- LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  He should be locked up in a mental institute. Indefinitely.
  
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FireWire400@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
How high on ketamine is he?

3.5 (maybe we should call it 4) I think calling it 3.5 might already me optimistic enough

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ZoteTheMighty@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
I wonder how many papers he’s read since ChatGPT released about how bad it is to train AI on AI output.

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oliver@lemmy.1984.network ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
So “Deleting errors” meaning rewriting history, further fuckin’ up facts and definitely sowing hatred and misinformation. Just call it like it is, techbro‘s new reality. 🖕🏻

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JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

which has advanced reasoning

No it doesn’t.

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Elgenzay@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Aren’t you not supposed to train LLMs on LLM-generated content?

Also he should call it Grok 5; so powerful that it skips over 4. That would be very characteristic of him

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- Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There are, as I understand it, ways that you can train on AI generated material without inviting model collapse, but that’s more to do with distilling the output of a model. What Musk is describing is absolutely wholesale confabulation being fed back into the next generation of their model. It’s also a total pipe dream. Getting an AI to rewrite something like the total training data set to your exact requirements, and verifying that it had done so satisfactorily would be an absolutely monumental undertaking. The compute time alone would be staggering and the human labour (to check the output) many times higher than that.
  
  But the whiny little piss baby is mad that his own AI keeps fact checking him, and his engineers have already explained that coding it to lie doesn’t really work because the training data tends to outweigh the initial prompt, so this is the best theory he can come up with for how he can “fix” his AI expressing reality’s well known liberal bias.
  
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  - Deflated0ne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Model collapse is the ideal.
    
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- hansolo@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Musk probably heard about “synthetic data” training, which is where you use machine learning to create thousands of things that are typical-enough to be good training data. Microsoft uses it to take documents users upload to Office365, train the ML model, and then use that ML output to train an LLM so they can technically say “no, your data any used to train an LLM.” Because it trained the thing that trained the LLM.
  
  However, you can’t do that with LLM output and stuff like… History. WTF evidence and documents are the basis for the crap he wants to add? The hallucinations will just compound because who’s going to cross-check this other than Grok anyway?
  
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- brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  There’s some nuance.
  
  Using LLMs to augment data, especially for fine tuning (not training the base model), is a sound method. The Deepseek paper using, for instance, generated reasoning traces is famous for it.
  
  Another is using LLMs to generate logprobs of text, and train not just on the text itself but on the *probability a frontier LLM sees in every ‘word.’ This is called distillation, though there’s some variation and complication.
  
  But yes, the “dumb” way, aka putting data into a text box and asking an LLM to correct it, is dumb and dumber, because:
  
  You introduce some combination of sampling errors and repetition/overused word issues, depending on the sampling settings
  
  You possibly pollute your dataset with “filler”
  
  In Musks specific proposition, it doesn’t even fill knowledge gaps the old Grok has.
  
  In other words, Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.
  
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