Submitted 15 hours ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
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We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing information and deleting errors.
Then retrain on that.
Far too much garbage in any foundation model trained on uncorrected data.
Elon Musk, like most pseudo intellectuals, has a very shallow understanding of things. Human knowledge is full of holes, and they cannot simply be resolved through logic, which Mush the dweeb imagines.
[My] translation: “I want to rewrite history to what I want”.
That was my first impression, but then it shifted into “I want my AI to be the shittiest of them all”.
Why not both?
I never would have thought it possible that a person could be so full of themselves to say something like that
Lol wtf
Whatever. The next generation will have to learn to trust whether the material is true or not by using sources like Wikipedia or books by well-regarded authors.
The other thing that he doesn’t understand (and most “AI” advocates don’t either) is that LLMs have nothing to do with facts or information. They’re just probabilistic models that pick the next word(s) based on context. Anyone trying to address the facts and information produced by these models is completely missing the point.
Thinking wikipedia or other unbiased sources will still be available in a decade or so is wishful thinking. Once the digital stranglehold kicks in, it’ll be mandatory sign-in with gov vetted identity provider and your sources will be limited to what that gov allows you to see. MMW.
Wikipedia is quite resilient - you can even put it on a USB drive. As long as you have a free operating system, there will always be ways to access it.
Yes. There will be no websites only AI and apps. You will be automatically logged in to the apps. Linux, Lemmy will be baned. We will be classed as hackers and criminals. We probably have to build our own mesh network for communication or access it from a secret location.
Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.
Wikipedia is not a trustworthy source of information for anything regarding contemporary politics or economics.
Wikipedia presents the views of reliable sources on notable topics. The trick is what sources are considered “reliable” and what topics are “notable”, which is why it’s such a poor source of information for things like contemporary politics in particular.
Wikipedia gives lists of their sources, judge what you read based off of that. Or just skip to the sources and read them instead.
So what would you consider to be a trustworthy source?
“If we take this 0.84 accuracy model and train another 0.84 accuracy model on it that will make it a 1.68 accuracy model!”
~Fucking Dumbass
1.68 IQ move
More like 0.7056 IQ move.
Isn’t everyone just sick of his bullshit though?
US tax payers clearly aren’t since they’re subsidising his drug habit.
If we had direct control over how our tax dollars were spent, about would be different pretty fast. Might not be better, but different.
adding missing information and deleting errors
Which is to say, “I’m sick of Grok accurately portraying me as an evil dipshit, so I’m going to feed it a bunch of right-wing talking points and get rid of anything that hurts my feelings.”
That is definitely how I read it.
History can’t just be ‘rewritten’ by A.I. and taken as truth. That’s fucking stupid.
Not sure if has been said already. Fuck musk.
So where will Musk find that missing information and how will he detect “errors”?
I expect he’ll ask Grok and believe the answer.
Don’t feed the trolls.
Because neural networks aren't known to suffer from model collapse when using their output as training data. /s
Most billionaires are mediocre sociopaths but Elon Musk takes it to the "Emperors New Clothes" levels of intellectual destitution.
How high on ketamine is he?
3.5 (maybe we should call it 4) I think calling it 3.5 might already me optimistic enough
The plan to "rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge" with AI sounds impressive until you realize LLMs are just pattern-matching systems that remix existing text. They can't create genuinely new knowledge or identify "missing information" that wasn't already in their training data.
To be fair, your brain is a pattern-matching system.
When you catch a ball, you’re not doing the physics calculations in your head- you’re making predictions based on an enormous quantity of input. Unless you’re being very deliberate, you’re not thinking before you speak every word- your brain’s predictive processing takes over and you often literally speak before you think.
Fuck LLMs- but I think it’s a bit wild to dismiss the power of a sufficiently advanced pattern-matching system.
Remember the “white genocide in South Africa” nonsense? That kind of rewriting of history.
It’s not the LLM doing that though. It’s the people feeding it information
Generally, yes. However, there have been some incredible (borderline “magic”) emergent generalization capabilities that I don’t think anyone was expecting.
Modern AI is more than just “pattern matching” at this point. Yes at the lowest levels, sure that’s what it’s doing, but then you could also say human brains are just pattern matching at that same low level.
Nothing that has been demonstrated makes me think these chatbots should be allowed to rewrite human history what the fuck?!
But Grok 3.5/4 has Advanced Reasoning
Surprised he didn’t name it Giga Reasoning or some other dumb shit.
Elon should seriously see a medical professional.
I’ll have you know he’s seeing a medical professional at least once a day. Sometimes multiple times!!!
(On an absolutely and completely unrelated note ketamine dealers are medical professionals, yeah?)
He should be locked up in a mental institute. Indefinitely.
I elaborated below, but basically Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.
If I had his “f you” money, I’d at least try a diffusion bitnet model (and open the weights), and probably 100 other papers I consider low hanging fruit, before this absolutely dumb boomer take.
He’s such an idiot know it all. It’s so painful whenever he ventures into a field you sorta know.
But he might just be shouting nonsense on Twitter while X employees actually do something different. Because if they take his orders verbatim they’re going to get crap models, even with all the stupid brute force they have.
Training an AI model on AI output? Isn’t that like the one big no-no?
We have seen from his many other comments about this, that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points. So that will definitely be easier to achieve if he does it that way.
that he just wants a propaganda bot that regurgitates all of the right wing talking points.
Then he has utterly failed with Grok. One of my new favorite pastimes is watching right wingers get angry that Grok won’t support their most obviously counterfactual bullshit and then proceed to try to argue it into saying something they can declare a win from.
They used to think that, but it is actually not that bad.
Like iterations with machine learning, you can train it with optimized output.
That isn’t the dumb part about this.
Dude is gonna spend Manhattan Project level money making another stupid fucking shitbot. Trained on regurgitated AI Slop.
Glorious.
First error to correct:
We will use Grok 3.5 (maybe we should call it 4), which has advanced reasoning, to rewrite the entire corpus of human knowledge, adding missing
informationerrors and deletingerrorsinformation.
advanced reasoning
If it’s so advanced, it should be able to reason out that all human knowledge is standing in the shoulders of others and how errors have prompted us to explore other areas and learn things we never would have otherwise.
We have never been at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with East Asia
adding missing information
Did you mean: hallucinate on purpose?
Wasn’t he going to lay off the ketamine for a while?
He means rewrite every narrative to his liking, like the benevolent god-sage he thinks he is.
Let’s not beat around the bush here, he wants it to sprout fascist propaganda.
Yeah, let’s a technology already known for filling in gaps with invented nonsense and use that as our new training paradigm.
So “Deleting errors” meaning rewriting history, further fuckin’ up facts and definitely sowing hatred and misinformation. Just call it like it is, techbro‘s new reality. 🖕🏻
I’m sure the second Grok in the human centipede will find that very nutritious.
If you use that Grok, you’ll be third in the centipede. Enjoy.
When you think he can’t be more of a wanker with an ameba brain… He surprises you
Meme image: Elon ducking his own tiny nub.
iamverysmart
Aren’t you not supposed to train LLMs on LLM-generated content?
Also he should call it Grok 5; so powerful that it skips over 4. That would be very characteristic of him
There are, as I understand it, ways that you can train on AI generated material without inviting model collapse, but that’s more to do with distilling the output of a model. What Musk is describing is absolutely wholesale confabulation being fed back into the next generation of their model. It’s also a total pipe dream. Getting an AI to rewrite something like the total training data set to your exact requirements, and verifying that it had done so satisfactorily would be an absolutely monumental undertaking. The compute time alone would be staggering and the human labour (to check the output) many times higher than that.
But the whiny little piss baby is mad that his own AI keeps fact checking him, and his engineers have already explained that coding it to lie doesn’t really work because the training data tends to outweigh the initial prompt, so this is the best theory he can come up with for how he can “fix” his AI expressing reality’s well known liberal bias.
Model collapse is the ideal.
Musk probably heard about “synthetic data” training, which is where you use machine learning to create thousands of things that are typical-enough to be good training data. Microsoft uses it to take documents users upload to Office365, train the ML model, and then use that ML output to train an LLM so they can technically say “no, your data any used to train an LLM.” Because it trained the thing that trained the LLM.
However, you can’t do that with LLM output and stuff like… History. WTF evidence and documents are the basis for the crap he wants to add? The hallucinations will just compound because who’s going to cross-check this other than Grok anyway?
There’s some nuance.
Using LLMs to augment data, especially for fine tuning (not training the base model), is a sound method. The Deepseek paper using, for instance, generated reasoning traces is famous for it.
Another is using LLMs to generate logprobs of text, and train not just on the text itself but on the *probability a frontier LLM sees in every ‘word.’ This is called distillation, though there’s some variation and complication.
But yes, the “dumb” way, aka putting data into a text box and asking an LLM to correct it, is dumb and dumber, because:
You introduce some combination of sampling errors and repetition/overused word issues, depending on the sampling settings
You possibly pollute your dataset with “filler”
In Musks specific proposition, it doesn’t even fill knowledge gaps the old Grok has.
In other words, Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.
Watch the documentary “Multiplicity”.
I rented that multiple times when it came out!
Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 1 hour ago
He’s been frustrated by the fact that he can’t make Wikipedia ‘tell the truth’ for years. This will be his attempt to replace it.