Four NYPD officers converged on one woman on a bike because she smiled at them, then detained her because she wasn't carrying ID.

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• VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What’s with the replies asking why she’s not carrying ID in NYC? Is there some reason why you need to have ID on you at all times on New York?

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    the reason is that the people asking are fascist asses. there is no legit reason to “need” an ID in any american place when out like this woman was.

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  • KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    ID is like meth to these pigs.

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  • GladiusB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s actually a law in certain states. In California you need an ID even for the officer with a bicycle infraction. This is New York though and I don’t know the particulars of the municipality.

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    • Vandals_handle@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      California does not require a cyclist to present an ID to an officer when being cited for a traffic offense. However if they choose, an officer may arrest and hold you to verify your identity. Same is true with pedestrians.

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• ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Lesson learned.

  Don’t acknowledge cops, don’t look at them, don’t talk to them, avoid them, ignore them and don’t trust them.

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  • Rexios@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Now you’re “acting suspicious”

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    • ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I’m up in Canada so this stuff doesn’t affect me much … but I used to laugh at an old friend who used to actively avoid the cops. If he saw them up the street far away, he’d cross the street, turn into an alleyway or just turn around. If we were driving and he saw a cop car, he’d immediately turn anywhere and drive away. He wasn’t a criminal or anything, he just didn’t like police and avoided them. No matter the situation, if he saw a cop, he’d do everything to avoid even having the remote possibility of even interacting with the police.

      This was years ago and since then I’ve been like that too but not as bad … but as the world becomes more authoritarian these days, especially when police training even in Canada is to just have a pulse and be a white male … I’m avoiding the police more actively than before.

      My old friend Johnny was more right than I realized.

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• Omega@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point? Making eye contact is suspicious, but not making eye contact is also suspicious. So what, are we supposed to Sneak 100 past them when we see them from afar now? Is that it?

  At which point does a society realizes that maybe we have an issue when people are actively trying to avoid cops even though they are not doing anything that is against the laws? How many people need to be detained over nothing? How many people need to be brutalized with no consequences to their blue aggressors? How many people need to be killed by the “finest”?

  I treat cops like a rogue militia. I avoid them when I can, and otherwise, I feel the need to watch my every step because they are completely unpredictable. And for fuck’s sake, I’m white! Needless to say, cops are much less on the lookout for me. When I hear the stories of people from different ethnicities, it’s fucking terrifying.

  But hey, gotta protect the rich somehow, I guess.

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  • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As it turns out, avoiding the cops – or even looking like you’re avoiding the cops – will also land you in hot water

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    • Omega@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Okay, so do not exist at all in the presence of cops. Somehow. Got it.

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Okay, so smiling is bad. What the fuck is the solution to not look suspicious to cops at this point?

    There’s an episode from the Twilight Zone reboot (S1E3, “Replay”) that plays with this idea in an interesting way. A black mother and son are at a diner with a police officer, and things happen and her son gets shot. But then she discovers that she has this magic camcorder that can rewind time, so she goes back to the diner and tries again, doing things differently. And this time he gets shot for a different reason. So she goes back, again and again, trying different approaches.

    It really captures the feeling of insecurity, of being damned if you do, damned if you don’t. And it’s sort of a metaphor for the different scenarios playing out in one’s head, of trying to think of how each action might be misinterpreted or go wrong.

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  • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Pick up that can

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    • Omega@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Urgh… yes honey officer…

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    • RubberElectrons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ep3 wen

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• Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  What’s really shocking is that a woman detained in the US for not having ID wasn’t delivered to ICE immediatelly and deported to El Salvador without due process.

  I mean, the whole point of not having due process is that if you can’t right then and there prove you’re not an illegal immigrant you can be assumed to be one and punished for it with no recourse.

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  • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It doesn’t matter if they can prove it or not. ID, documents, birth certificate, none of it matters without due process.

    Kilmar Abrego Garcia was specifically prohibited from being deported to El Salvador. He literally had an order from a US immigration judge that said he cannot be legally sent there in particular, because of the risk to his life.

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• arin@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  fucking insane. So many NYPD patrol vehicles, personnel for a lady on her bike in the bike lane being obedient. What the fuck?

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  • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    i always have an id when not at home, but thats just because my id is my driver’s license. in a city with lots of public transportation options, i can see why someone wouldn’t have any ID unless they’re going to buy alcohol or something. irregardless i am opposed to people being forced to have an ID at all times in case a cop gets uppity, and interestingly enough the same people who were mad about vaccine records appear to not have a problem with something like this happening

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    • fan0m@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      irregardless

      You’ve and a grave mistake

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    • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      If you’re using the roadway several states and cities require you to carry a government ID for the purpose of writing you tickets. Generally speaking, in those places if you can’t provide one you will be detained and taken to the police station until your identity can be verified. While their, your bike will almost surely be stolen.

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  • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    its mob mentality, they wont do it alone.

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    • arin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Fragile egos, a chuckle caused this

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• Luouth@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Its absolutely institutionalised amongst NYPD officers to be massive, egomaniacal see you next Tuesdays

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  • spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Most cops are cunts, not just the NYPD.

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    • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      *all

      FTFY

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• unprovenbreeze@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Its’ strange that they let her keep her phone in that tiny cell. In any case, they are all very brave when the offender is a 55kg young girl.

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  • Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Were they brave though? Even then they didn’t have the stones to approach her without backup, apparently.

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  • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Makes me think it’s fake. I can’t find anything on it

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• pixelkitty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Papers, please 🫴

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• flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  remember folks: brutality is a method employed by “democracies” under capitalism.

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• SnarkoPolo@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  FREEDOM!

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• zqwzzle@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  TBF you’d have to be truly mentally unwell to be smiling in these times. /s

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• throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Do you want people to hate you and ignore you?

  Because that’s how you make people hate you and ignore you.

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  • raltoid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    No, they want people to literally cower in fear and lick their boots.

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• roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Psychopaths who habitually escalate because you don’t give them enough “respect” but I do stop for anybody with lights on even if I’m in a bike lane. Mostly because I don’t want to get hit by an idiot cop or sleep deprived emt.

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• TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Never once had a positive interaction with a cop.

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  • destructdisc@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s because, and all together now…

    All Cops Are Bastards

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Makes sense. (I believe you!) They do not exist for positive reasons.

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• Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Never make eye contact with police everybody knows the rules

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  • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Same rules as dealing with wolves.

    No eye contact.

    No smiling.

    No sudden moves.

    No sandwiches.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      no acorns.

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    • Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Also homeless and old people in long queues.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s actually a popular misconception. Your goal is fo come off as docile, comfortable, and most importantly neurotypical. They think avoiding eye contact is evidence of a crime. If they think you’re scared they’ll give you something to be scared of.

    After all, only bad guys are scared of our heroic cops. /s

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• altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  SDPD, SPD, OPD, LAPD: you mean they didn’t shoot first? How does that even work?

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• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I can’t come up with a name but her face is so familiar this seems very sus, and as a progressive I actually find the unquestioning acceptance bandwagon here, and how perfectly it mimics a MAGA reaction, sort of terrifying. It’s like we’re all just reactive raw nerve-ends in search of outrage triggers.

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  • KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You’re right that media coverage needs to be scrutinized however I’d argue it’s easier said than done. We’re barraged by a constant onslaught of information far more than we have the time or energy to process. This problem is compounded by our tribal tendencies, which politicians exploit by flooding the discourse with empty controversies while quietly pushing through more sinister actions.

    This dynamic also helps explain why disadvantaged populations are often less informed or politically engaged. When daily life is a struggle for survival, scrutinizing this week’s partisan bill or police skirmish inevitably falls lower on the priority list.

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• hapablap@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m a little confused. Lots of words before it seems like she was pulled over because she didn’t get out of the way of the police when they put their sirens on. Impossible to know whether she made a mistake or not. Still probably a massive overreaction by the police. Obviously traumatic for the young woman but her narrative seems melodramatic. Yes, you’re in the bike lane but you can still move over. It does seem dystopia that you can be arrested for not having ID for such a small offense.

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  • brianary@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    She said she didn’t have space to move over.

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    • hapablap@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yes, I heard that but I think that there is almost always somewhere to move. My guess is that the police thought she didn’t make that effort. Probably the police didn’t make it very clear what they wanted before the escalated.

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