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Considering the old model is made with shrink-wrapping this is viable option

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Nikls94@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s a bison, not a buffalo. Buffalo don’t have those humps.

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Obligatory:

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    • Nikls94@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And a cat

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      • Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s just a hairless cat that lost its ears fighting other cats 😅

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      • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        That does more accurately convey their behavior.

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    • WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Mostly this is just an issue with the nature of science. There’s fundamentally just a lot we don’t know about what these creatures looked like. Thankfully, in the last 20-30 years, we’ve learned a lot more. We’ve become a lot better at finding evidence of feathers and other surface details. We may have gotten better at estimating the musculature? I’m not really sure what the current state of knowledge is here.

      But the key thing to consider is that science, as a project, is incredibly conservative. Science is all about precisely defining your claims and clearly justifying them, ideally via quantitative analysis. The reason old renderings of dinosaurs look like this is that these represent the threshold of the known. They are scientific renders, containing only the details that we can be reasonably certain actually existed on these animals. You can of course go further and fill in missing details with imagination and reasonable speculation, but this will always be more an exercise in art than science, a speculative exercise. Yes, dinosaurs likely didn’t have this “shrink wrapped” appearance. But what their real appearance was is a guessing game. Yes, it’s plausible spinosaurus had big back muscles rather than a fan, but there are likely also other speculative models people could propose. Maybe the spine isn’t a fan, but the base of some giant peacock-type tail? Maybe it wasn’t a fan, but a series of spikes. Maybe it wasn’t one vertical fan, but two horizontal sheets? Who knows?

      Science is an inherently conservative exercise. We tend to forget this. Political conservatives hate science because they hate when reality disagrees with their dogma. But while political conservatives call science woke or liberal, the truth is, institutionally, science is conservative. Ideas move slowly. Major paradigm shifts only occur when overwhelming evidence forces them to. Ideas often take decades to slowly percolate through academia, sometimes only changing because the old generation retires or dies of old age.

      Scientists as such are, generally, biased against making unfounded claims and speculation. A lot of scientific training focuses on precisely defining your claims, including the precise limits of those claims. And this bleeds over into scientific renderings. From a scientific perspective, it is often better to make a rendering that you know is almost certainly incorrect, rather than make a likely more correct rendering that you cannot support with evidence.

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The reason old renderings of dinosaurs look like this is that these represent the threshold of the known. They are scientific renders, containing only the details that we can be reasonably certain actually existed on these animals. You can of course go further and fill in missing details with imagination and reasonable speculation, but this will always be more an exercise in art than science, a speculative exercise.

        I feel like a better way to represent “the threshold of the known” would be sort of the pictorial equivalent of “error bars” — instead of doing one image showing an animal that basically looks like it has mange because that’s all you can be sure of, do a matrix of images that show various extremes of possibilities.

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    • iheartneopets@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      (Except that’s not how paleo art works anymore)

      I know it’s a meme, but when this is posted without clarification, it spreads to people who think it’s real and they regurgitate it as fact

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      • maxwellfire@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        How does paleo art work now? What’s done differently?

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    • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It was hotter back then.

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      • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah man, but it was a dry heat!

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  • Devadander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    lol meme but the positioning and size of the spines vs the buffalo doesn’t make this likely

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    • Mothra@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Plus palaeontologists would’ve picked up on other clues if the bones had large muscles attached to them like a buffalo.

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    • Kowowow@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      And the jaw muscles would have to be equally built up to make grabbing and holding make sense, all arm strength no hand strength

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    • seekpie@lemmy.seekpie.nohost.me ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      What is the “fin’s” purpose then?

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      • Devadander@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Display and / or temperature regulation. What’s the ‘purpose’ of any exterior adornment?

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      • Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Usually weird protrusions on dinosaurs have to do with sexual distinction, rather then function.

        Even the horns and neck shield on the triceratops are more about sex than about offense/defense

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      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Some recent evidence suggests the Spinosaurus may or may not be semi-aquatic. We’ve got a super limited fossil record from this region of Egypt.

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  • CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    🤘🏻 Headbangosaurus 🤘🏻

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    • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Party on, Wayne!

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  • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They always use mammals as examples of modern animals on this examples, but imo they should look for birds/reptiles for that.

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    • hansolo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In which case it’s just a 3D crocodile. 4D crocodile? It’s a beefy necked crocodile, OK?

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  • mmddmm@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Good. Now cover it in huge colorful feathers.

    (Don’t let the fact that it’s wrong stop you.)

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    • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      when was “being wrong” stopped anyone?

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  • Lumidaub@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Science stop changing spinosaurus for 5 minutes challenge

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    • casmael@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      (Impossible)

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  • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s one hell of a chungusaurus

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  • Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Ah so this is how Monster Hunter came up with the design of Deviljoe

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  • TheYojimbo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    That’s just a deviljho

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    All Hail Yeetosaurus

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  • altphoto@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Going back in time could be really confusing.

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  • loomy@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    😂

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