Submitted 10 months ago by Pro@programming.dev to technology@lemmy.world
https://htxt.co.za/2025/05/former-meta-exec-says-asking-for-artist-permission-will-kill-ai-industry/
- Nick Clegg, former Meta executive and UK Deputy Prime Minister, has reiterated a familiar line when it comes to AI and artist consent.
- He said that any push for consent would “basically kill” the AI industry.
- Clegg added that the sheer volume of data that AI is trained on makes it “implausible” to ask for consent.
If being declined concent is going to kill your industry then maybe you shouldnt be doing it?
Fucking rapist mentaility right there.
My thought exactly. If consent isn’t needed, what other actions do they deem justified without consent?
This is not a IP-issue, this is about human rights.
Let’s hope it does.
Good.
If your industry can’t exist without theft then your industry doesn’t deserve to exist, pretty simple.
Copying isn’t theft, the original still exists. Just like watching pirated movies.
Cool, so I can torrent without a VPN now?
Oh, only the super rich can benefit. How convenient.
Copying isn’t theft, the original still exists. Just like watching pirated movies.
Shit take when the results are used for profit. Most of us that pirate aren’t legally monetizing our stash.
The AI industry doesn’t want to abolish or reform copyright law, they just want an exception so that they can keep appropriating shit. On the contrary, they’re pretty mad that AI stuff isn’t covered by more copyright.
AI bros are not on the side of open culture.
As long as people get punished for pirating media, corporations need to license their shit just as well.
If someone pirates a movie for home use its no big deal because yes. If someone pirates a movie and then opens a movie theatre and starts charging people to watch the movie that’s an entirely different matter. AI is a business generating income, not a person skipping out on a $4 rental fee.
Can’t they just write an ‘AI’ to ask an artist for permission then? I’ll bet they can. It’s just that most artists will say no unless they get paid. So, their business model, based on theft, is not sustainable. Got it.
So?
Ha… He was the Lib Dem poster boy for a good decade. And they’re something akin to pro-business libertarians. I wonder what Lib Dem Dep PM Clegg would have said to this!
He was the poster boy because he managed to rise to the rank of completely irrelevant, the highest level of office any lib dem has ever achieved.
They promised change, and delivered a coalition enabling the Tories to do what the Tories always do.
Too bad for him eventually when people push enough they get what they need. So if we need to get consent then darn it we are going to and he can look constipated about it. 😌
If the AI industry doesn’t ask artists for permission, then the art industry will die.
My permission costs $2.50 for every time AI reads my text or uses it in the background. Thank you! Come again!
Sounds like a plan!
If you’re giving me the choice of killing the AI industry or artists it doesn’t seem like a hard decision. Am I missing something?
The bit you’re missing is that the choice isnt between killing AI and killing the music industry, its between killing AI in the UK or pissing off IP holders somewhat. Do you think china give a fuck who’s IP they use in training models, or that they will stop if the UK passes a law making artists default out of using their work as training data?
What are you talking about this has nothing to do with UK policy decisions. The current UK government doesn’t have any interest in restricting AI usage I don’t know where you’re getting that idea from.
Nick Clegg never really had much to do with UK politics, he was a deputy prime minister but he wasn’t exactly in charge of anything, and he’s long since left politics entirely. His previous employment has no bearing on his current statements.
A lot of AI fanboys secretly think that artists who rely on public funding to make a living deserve to be raped by gen AI companies.
Bet you’re not worth $100+ million. Then you’d get it.
Of someone wants to make me worth 100 million I wouldn’t complain. Can’t guarantee I’ll understand though.
Specially when you realize that AI is for more than music, literature and other forms of illegal data processing. It can be used in a huge amount of other ways. One way for example would be to replace our president with a Combination of 4 magistrates and 1 AI…the republicans get 2, the Democrats get 2. AI gets to propose actions to take but has 0 authority in doing anything. Once a proposal has been made to do something, the 4 people get to discuss the action and implement it. If the implementation ends in a tie, then AI can ask the people to vote by phone. AI would then break the tie via the people’s popular vote. And no more electoral college, just use AI to pick the president based on the popular vote.
That model’s name? AI Gore.
Nice, I want to be the company owning that “AI” algorithm!
I doubt it. With that $500 billion dollar grant, you can hire people to make art to train on. That’s a LOT of money.
What makes you think that they’d do that?
Oh I didn’t say they would do that. Nor do I think it would solve any big problem AI is causing society. I’m just pointing out that there’s a simple rebuttal to his argument.
So they want to be able to benifit from free art while the rest of us have to pay to access it? Seems fair. /s
If I had a gun with 3 bullets and I was in a room with Meta, Hitler and Bin Laden. I would shoot Meta thrice.
What if you were in a room with Meta, Hitler and Nick Clegg?
I would shoot hitler twice, then bin laden, then beat meta to death with the gun because it would hurt more.
But what if Toby was in the room?
Line them up, shoot Toby three times anyway
Fuck Nick Clegg. Fuck that guy into the fucking sun.
Back in 2010 he managed to surf a wave of genuine optimism from young British voters who wanted something less shit, and found himself in a position where he could have brought about some genuine change for the better.
Instead that cunt hitched his wagon to the fucking Tories, who straight away announced an increase to university tuition fees. And who then went on to spend 15 years raping and pillaging the country like only fucking Tories can.
So yeah, fuck Nick Clegg.
if something so simple can kill an entire industry, that industry should not exist.
Good, I think it should be killed.
AI or the music industry?
Yes
AI. Rich people trying to change the law to get richer via shady means is a huge no from me every time.
There’s a thread of thought that pops up in pro-AI posters from time to time: technology can’t go backwards. The implication being that the current state of AI can only improve, and is here to stay.
This is wrong. Companies are spending multitudes of piles of cash to make AI work, and they could easily take their ball and go home. Extending copyright over the training data would likely trigger that, by the industry’s own admission.
No, self-hosted models are not going to change this. A bunch of people running around with their own little agents aren’t going to sustain a mass market phenomenon. You’re not going to have integration in Windows or VisualStudio or the top of Google search results. You’re not going to have people posting many pics on Facebook of Godzilla doing silly things.
The tech can go backwards, and we’re likely to see it.
It’s implausible that I would pay for Netflix, Disney+, Paramount+, etc.
When I can just build a server and buy a VPN connection.
Makes sense. Paying for all those services would kill my ability to support other industries. Fair game.
I’m not pirating, I’m training the LLM that is in my skull. Don’t worry, I won’t remember the whole thing in a week and won’t use it to create art out of what I saw.
Yes please.
I can hear this picture
Indeed. Simply that. If a business is not sustainable without breaking the law, it is not a business, it’s a criminal organisation.
Come on Disney! Use your god tier copyright lawyers and stop this AI shit for good.
Also Clegg
asking women for permission would ruin my sexlife.
probably.
Bank robbers say laws against bank robbery will kill bank robbery.
How did the media industey call pirates? Parasites?
“Don’t copy that floppy” funded by rich people, or the more recent “You wouldn’t download” with pirated song and font. Fucking hypocrites.
That’s a myth. The music was licenced, as was the font.
Susurrus@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Same thing for most of billionaires’ income sources.
“Respecting [insert human right] would kill [insert industry].”
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
hence why they push so heavily for automation, it makes it possible to earn about the same profit while respecting human rights. (nobody has a right to a job)