Companies lowering prices is unheard of
“No Apple tax means we will lower prices” - Proton announces lower prices for users by up to 30% after US ruling against Apple fees
Submitted 10 months ago by dwazou@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
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Rin@lemm.ee 10 months ago
vatlark@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They lower the price of Pass. proton.me/blog/proton-pass-price-change
Rin@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Better than not lowering anything at all
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl 10 months ago
probably to make up for their customer loss after the pro Twumph shit
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
Should have done a valve and allowed selling anywhere but require price parity. Now from their greed there will be financial incentive for people to use another platform.
knexcar@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I thought Valve was the one who created Proton in the first place to let people play games on Linux
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Different Proton my dude.
The Proton in the post offers mail, storage, and VPN services.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
They did, but you only need that to play windows games. You can also use wine or play native Linux games.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 10 months ago
It’s time to end monopolies
jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
I am sad because of all the people in this thread who think the CEO is “fascist-sympathetic” because he said Trump did something better than the Democrats one time.
skisnow@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Yeah, having only just switched from GMail to Proton last week my heart sank when I saw “Proton are MAGA”.
Then I spent three minutes reading up on it and it’s like, the CEO said one thing about policy on regulation of big tech that was critical of the Democrats for not doing enough, and the internet has decided that means he’s MAGA.
anachrohack@lemmy.world 10 months ago
He said Republicans are better on tech policy than democrats. Republicans tech policy is motivated entirely by the fact that their racist and conspiratorial views were getting them banned on social media sites.
Conservatives have absolutely zero principles. If they say they want to break up big tech, it’s because they want to control it in some way. They want the platforms to promote speech that’s beneficial to them.
If you believe that Republicans truly are better for tech policy than democrats, then you either whole-heartedly agree that a group of criminals and wannabe dictators should be able to destroy any business that publishes speech against them, or you are extremely gullible. Either way, why would I want to give you my business?
Nobilmantis@feddit.it 10 months ago
Absolutely agreed. I think when you have such role in a company you should avoid making political statements at all, because no matter what you say you will end up upsetting some people. In this case, “try-hard” democrats.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Well, it’s worth leveraging your status to communicate to the politicians things they’ve done well (i.e. this tweet). In this case, it cost him more than I think he was expecting.
commander@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Damn. People here sure love purity testing. The guy could pay for their cancer treatment and still slap him every chance because they got it wrong publicly in the past but once you get it wrong publicly once, you’re out of the club. Go be a conservative we don’t want you. When someone at Tuta has a bad year and ends up in the wrong publicly, find another email service to try and convince people to go too. Probably worse in functionality than Tuta as you go down to smaller and worse funded efforts in this niche field of Internet activism
But people here do it here too to Mozilla because they don’t like their social outreach programs and their attempts to get advertising revenue so screw Mozilla too. So because nothing but perfection is acceptable, push away people that may be adjacent/left leaning right and switch to less developed products. Switch from Firefox and attack Mozilla who do the bulk of Firefox development and use Waterfox who do a custom deployment/build. Pure display of perfection being the enemy of good here.
You want people to embrace privacy but keep whiplashing people around when the org/anyone in leadership says something wrong. Screw Signal, they’re not perfect. Screw Matrix/Element, some developer said something one day so it’s all bad. I’m surprised anyone here uses any privacy software or a major open source software like Linux or Krita or Blender at the risk that someone in the background may be wrong in someway which I am 100% certain they exist in important positions. Same with Lemmy
Go back to the 60s and you all would be shitting on Fred Hampton for accepting the impure and the color coalition for everyone that had ever said something wrong. Al Franken definitely would not make it with y’all. Y’all can’t build up leftist communities because y’all are bitter assholes that can’t move on and spend so much time purity testing. Y’all are probably mediocre too so can’t make a difference in privacy and data ownership activism anyways so should be lining up to support not just Tuta, someone hasn’t screwed up publicly yet, and Proton
anachrohack@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s not a purity test so much as a fear that publicly signaling loyalty to trump devalued their trustworthiness as private and secure. If their CEO legitimately believes that Republicans are better on tech policy than democrats because conservatives want to weaponize the federal government to control speech online, then I don’t really trust him not to cooperate with federal authorities when they want to access someone’s emails or vpn traffic. Conservatives are simply not trustworthy to me
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 months ago
They legally can’t though that’s the thing people are missing
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Louder for the idiots who can’t seem to listen. Preach!
crypt0cler1c@infosec.pub 10 months ago
This is literally just insane rambling. You need serious media literacy.
dutchkimble@lemy.lol 10 months ago
But I already use proton and purchased outside the Apple Store (on the proton website) and use it on my iPhone? What changed?
LodeMike@lemmy.today 10 months ago
Nothing
lookupgeorgism@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Just use KSuite instead
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
tuta and mullvad
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 10 months ago
Based, as they say.
Scrollone@feddit.it 10 months ago
Proton = Trump support
So no for me.
doodledup@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’d use their VPN even if Hitler made it. It’s private, secure and their stand to their values with respect to that. Why would I care about political views? Politics don’t change the service on a technical level.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
He approved of an appointment Trump made, and criticized Dem on the issue – doesn’t make him a Trump supporter. If we can’t tell the Dems off when we think the GOP does better, how can we proceed?
anachrohack@lemmy.world 10 months ago
People aren’t criticizing him because ehe criticized the democrats. They’re criticizing him because the things he said are actually fucking braindead retarded
medgremlin@midwest.social 10 months ago
Yeah, my 2 year plan is up in June. I haven’t decided what I’m switching to. I’ve heard good things about Mullvad’s privacy policies and politics, but I’ve also seen reviews that a bunch of sites and services have them blocked.
I’m open to suggestions at this point.
uawarebrah@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Mullvad is the gold standard
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Proton itself never directly commited on anything from Trump in a positive way.
Their current CEO Andy Yen posted this Tweet. Yes he is an idiot and even doubled down on it with the Proton account Now I am not from a country with a 2 party system, but last time I checked agreeing with one statement from somebody doesn’t mean you support them. Heck finding common ground is often a way to find compromises.
Do what you want and don’t support them if you don’t want them, but don’t act like the company Proton is a Trump supporter. Heck there are a lot of articles on the Proton site which are pro privacy and pro consumer.
booly@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Andy Yen went out of his way to criticize Democrats on antitrust, which is how you can tell it’s actually a pro-Trump position unsupported by the actual facts.
I like Gail Slater. She’s possibly the best choice among people who Trump likes, to head DOJ’s Antitrust Division. She has bipartisan bona fides.
But to say that Democrats, after 4 years of Lina Khan leading the FTC, and a bunch of the reforms that the Biden FTC and DOJ made to merger standards and their willingness to sue/seek big penalties for antitrust violations, aren’t more serious than Republicans about reining in big tech consolidation and about stronger enforcement of antitrust principles, completely flips around the history and is a bad faith argument.
Andy Yen could’ve praised Gail Slater, and that would be that. Instead, he took a post by Trump that didn’t even mention Democrats, and made it about how the Democrats are bad on taking on big tech. That’s the problem everyone had with it.
suite403@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Fuuuuck.
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 months ago
This article goes into it some more, please pick your own opinion: medium.com/…/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-d…
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Inb4 Trump invents tariffs on foreign coded software
throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
[deleted]Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 months ago
What does politics even have to do with a ruling like this? Isn’t the law separated from the government in the US? Or is the US just a corrupt country that allow people to influence the judges ruling to impact the lawsuit in a certain outcome … O wait …
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Dude thinks he knows everything because he has a PhD in Physics, literally out of touch with the politics that anyone doing 5 minutes of web searching can understand.
This is such a common thing. STEM education needs to be more well rounded.
Saleh@feddit.org 10 months ago
Why? Idiots thinking they know more than they do won’t be stopped by this. Also if we wanted to round humanities and liberal arts by making it mandatory to pass analysis, linear algebra, organic chemistry and classical physics would just lead to much more people not graduating anything.
School is for a general education. Academia is for specialization.
chamgireum@lemm.ee 10 months ago
no no, you see Trump is totally anti-big tech. once he bleeds them dry from all the bribes they’ll be gone! /s
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I got a Proton two-year subscription that averages out to two dollars and change per month.
I already feel like I got an incredible deal.
Scrollone@feddit.it 10 months ago
Too bad the owner of Proton supports Trump, so when my two years subscription ends, I’m moving to Tuta or Posteo
Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Agreeing with a statement from a politician doesn’t mean you support that politician, that’s how compromises can even start.
But Any Yen isn’t in politics, let alone US politics, he is just an idiot.
This articles goes a bit more into it, but it is also an opinion. Don’t use Proton if you don’t want to idc: medium.com/…/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-d…
gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m looking at mailbox.org when mine ends.
anachrohack@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I moves to proton because I was paying for a von, storage, and password manager and it all came out to like ~$45/mo. Proton gives me all that for $30/mo. This was the 3rd password manager I had my family migrate to so I think I’m gonna stick with them for a bit unless I see some kind of evidence that proton is violating the security of its users for governments. I don’t want to have my family have to move to yet ANOTHER password manager
ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 10 months ago
“Up to”…… here’s 5% off
Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 months ago
Very true. I’m giving you up to* 1000 upvotes.
fubarx@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s not exactly 30%. For sales below $1M, it’s 15%: developer.apple.com/…/small-business-program/
In Europe, where this was established last year, they started charging a Core Technology Fee to cover the cost of hosting and data transfer: developer.apple.com/support/core-technology-fee/
And if you switch payment providers, you have to pay at least 2.5% plus transaction and any intermediary fees.
It’s nice that Proton is offering a discount, but for everyone else there may be additional ongoing costs.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
15% if you know about it, if you apply, if you get accepted
Good watch on this stuff, the recent court decision overall
Dude’s so vindicated. Apple lover who HATES their treatment of developers cases like this.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This the trump-licker? Yeah, bye Proton.
Buh bye now
toastmeister@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Thundermail is coming soon. By Mozilla.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 months ago
That’s the best name by far! Well, I guess second, compared to Thunderbird.
AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No doubt Proton’s CEO will use this to justify his “Trump is better for regulating big tech” claim, while ignoring the fact that the judge in this case is an Obama appointee.
compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 10 months ago
Cool! Still not gonna put all my eggs in the fascist-sympathetic basket
suicidaleggroll@lemm.ee 10 months ago
If they can charge 30% without Apple’s fees, then why are their prices the same whether you buy on their iOS app or direct on their website? Why have they been overcharging users who don’t buy through the iOS app by 30% all this time?
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Likely they were not allowed to by the terms they agreed to with apple.
Cort@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Most favored nation clause. Apple gets the lowest price that you offer. I’d you offer any discounts elsewhere, that have to be the same on the app store
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Because Apple prohibited that.
Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Old knowledge disclaimer, but if they didn’t change it then:
Because Apple literally tells people that they’re not allowed to charge less somewhere else - at least that was the case several years ago…
patrick@lemmy.bestiver.se 10 months ago
Some things do charge different amounts though. YouTube Premium for example is more expensive if you subscribe in iOS but maybe that’s just because it’s Google.
They also could have just not let anyone subscribe through the iOS app. Lots of things do that.
Ulrich@feddit.org 10 months ago
This is the same on most platforms. You’ll rarely find a product for different prices in different places because if they’re listed on Amazon, Steam, Apple, Google, etc. they’re not allowed to.
philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Do he still think fascism is good for small businesses though?
doodledup@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Why is it bad though? This business is in no form related to politics. It wouldn’t change fundamentally even if Hitler ran it.
clot27@lemm.ee 10 months ago
You are not cooking blud
philycheeze@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I’m not going to willingly put my money towards someone who supports that kind of thing. The first response to my comment was a very level headed response and provided evidence that he does not directly support the administration.
Still doesn’t provide me a lot of consumer confidence though.
sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Please just shut the fuck up
I beg you
gimmemahlulz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Please go fuck yourself, I beg you.
Not opposing fascisim is openly supporting it. I’m tired of trying to convince brain dead idiots that’s the case, so if you can’t see it: go fuck yourself.
radon12445@lemm.ee 10 months ago
If only he ever said that you weren’t making up bullshit by misrepresenting his statement.
Lemjukes@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Are you kidding? Hating on Andy Yen for saying dumb shit he didn’t actually literally say is basically a Lemmy staple meme by now.
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.net 10 months ago
x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
Seems pretty clear to me.
nous@programming.dev 10 months ago
Yen also pointed out how such a court decision could help cut inflation in the US, too, “by dropping the price of a significant chunk of digital purchases by 30% overnight”.
I bet most companies will just take that extra 30% as profit rather than giving it back to their users like proton has.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
i’m scared how many ceos don’t understand that rapid fall of inflation or zero inflation is bad because it means your economy is stagnant.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 10 months ago
based move
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
They just lowering the prices cause of his backlash for supporting Trump.
Fuck Proton. Snitching ass bitches.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Who told you Proton supports Trump??? Your flimsy grasp on reality makes you easy to control
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Another Russian bot dont you have Twitter to go spew your dumb shit? Fk off.
Swarfega@lemm.ee 10 months ago
Online drama which it seems you’ve been drawn into believing
StonerCowboy@lemm.ee 10 months ago
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
That’s you and all the trumpets.