The main value of youtube for many of us is the enormous video collection, which is impractical for anyone else to duplicate. Need to fix an old washing machine (I did, recently)? Type in the make and model and there’s an instructional vid. It’s unfortunate that Google has exclusive control over such a resource, but here we are.
The YouTube Alternative Nobody's Talking About ! Peertube
Submitted 2 weeks ago by mesamunefire@lemmy.world to fediverse@lemmy.world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rbA4Se4-z8
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solrize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think it’s running it at a loss too. But there’s no reason these platforms couldn’t be publicly owned.
3laws@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It was, but monetization has been so aggressively everywhere that I think they finally are in the black at least since 2018.
refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Publicly owned by which government?
NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wonder what would happen if Google decided to “turn off” YouTube.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I would be free from relying on a single google server for anything.
coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafe 2 weeks ago
some random mfs with 400TB of hoarded YouTube videos will emerge out of hiding
AugustWest@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
And sadly now I have to watch a video. Wouldn’t step by step instructions be quicker and more effective? Yes. They were. Now it’s some video wasting my time.
Not sure that is a great example.
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Wouldn’t step by step instructions be quicker and more effective?
For this type of work, typically no, it’s quicker and more effective to have someone show you exactly how to do it.
zerofk@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I hate that this has become so commonplace. Yes for some - mostly physical - things it’s much better if you can see someone do it. But finding an obscure setting in an app shouldn’t be a video.
Stuck on a 20 step installation process? Here’s a 10 minute video showing all the steps you already know before the phase you’re stuck. Sure you can scrub through it, but it’s still faster to skim and scroll through a text with images.
belit_deg@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Maybe a silly idea, but what about a P2P-based video hosting! Hear me out:
We have more computing power and bandwith in our homes than ever before. We know that sharing data and files via P2P works, is resiliant against attacks, and scales really well.
No server costs mean that people could support creators by seeding the content to other peers. One cool thing about that would be seeing how you are making a difference, in real time.
solrize@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The difficult part is not the software or even the hosting. It’s more about the network effects and the ability to let users monetize uploads, which in turn creates vast potential for abuse and fraud, which in turn has to be addressed by burning stupendous resources. At a certain point people stop wanting exposure or “making a difference” for their own sake, and instead want to get paid in genuine coin of the realm.
boramalper@lemmy.world 1 week ago
PeerTube started as being P2P based, hence the name. :) However, due to technical challenges associated with it, they dropped support for P2P streaming in 2023 (see the link for details).
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
I just can’t get into using Peertube. I love the idea, but in my experience, it just doesn’t work the way it should. Slow, low video quality, hard to get the federation working properly, and most importantly, a general lack of content creators I care to follow.
I stick with Odysee for this, and several other reasons.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dude… you had my upvote indtil odysee!
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t know if I need to ask, but what’s wrong with Odysee?
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
So in other words you’re bragging about how stupid you are ?? Did Odysee trigger something in you ? Do you have a special kind of PTSD ?
MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Consider using Grayjay, you can combine creators from various sources to one app. Including YouTube, Peertube, Dailymotion, Odysee and lots of others.
I subscribe to some people on PeerTube and Dailymotion (only news orgs) alongside my Youtube subs, so that I am not only relying on YouTube
JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 2 weeks ago
I do, but the desktop version is still barebones compared to FreeTube or the Odysee webpage. It’s great on mobile, though!
And as for Peertube, I guess part of the problem is that it doesn’t feel as connected as other Fediverse services seem to feel. Not sure why, it just feels really disjointed to me.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
A lot of people, despite using a federated reddit alternative, will think of any reason to discourage the use of peertube I’ve noticed. It doesn’t need to REPLACE youtube, that’s basically impossible. You can use Peertube WITH YouTube. “Does it do anything different than youtube?” You can control what gets deleted and what stays up. “That’s the only thing? It needs to do more.” You can livrestream with it, and why would it need to do more than youtube? It gives you fucking CONTROL back in your hands! This is all about putting the people, back in control of the internet! The p2p aspect of peertube makes this the best competitor a community has to these giant companies with their world burning server farms. Why is this so hard for people to not be fascinated with having an option you can run with old PC hardware?
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
It gives you fucking CONTROL back in your hands! This is all about putting the people, back in control of the internet!
So do I2P, HyphaNet (formerly FreeNet) and ZeroNet. They’re all P2P networks and can run on old hardware, with the drawback being that you can’t access normal internet sites while connected to them
pyre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
that sounds less like “a drawback” and more like “fucking unusable”
pyre@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
hey I don’t have time to watch this so I’ll ask here since you’re arguing in favor of it: how is storage handled? is it a concern? wouldn’t any reasonable amount of storage have the risk of being almost immediately run out of space if the instance is even modestly popular?
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think we should discuss about what is holding PeerTube back. For starters a monetization system
pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 weeks ago
afaik most YT creators get their money from sponsor blocks rather than ads these days, so nothing really changes there… i think the combination of sponsors and some patreon-style system is plenty, so i’m not sure monetisation is the issue
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Server costs and disk limitations.
hitagi@ani.social 2 weeks ago
I think Peertube is more of a Vimeo alternative. YouTube is built around advertising.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
It’s a nice thought but even this guy did not continue his Peertube instance. More of a thought experiment.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
These apps need ulterior uses.
Most know Matrix as an alternative to Discord.
has it replaced Discord? No, and it isn’t likely to, buuuut Matrix is still a swiss-army-knife for other chat protocols via bridges, so it has its own use beyond Discord.
It’s still useful, even alone.
What problem does Peertube solve beyond not being Youtube?
meldrik@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
What problem does Peertube solve beyond not being Youtube?
Content creators can be in total control of their content and the platform, while still being able to reach the wider audience on the Fediverse.
There’s also features such as being able to replace an already uploaded video and for some, they would be happy not having to play the “algorithm game”.
TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
A place to keep your videos in case of YouTube taking it off their site.
sinnsykfinbart@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Right now, this is the only use.
sunth1ef@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Joined PeerTube last month and have had great success with it in terms of as a platform and place to share art / content, though of course the views have been low.
I’m sure there is a megathread elsewhere but would love to see an acceleration of folks adopting the Fediverse. My talking point has been to sort of sell Fediverse alternatives (Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon) as superior to other big tech alternatives out there (such as BlueSky and Flashes). We are either at the vanguard of a mass migration or just migrating while no one else is intending to, which I guess amounts to the same thing!
quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Linux is finally becoming mainstream. I love it.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s kinda true, but what does that have to do with the comment you replied to?
ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There was a lot of energy around strategy when I joined in January (can you guess why? Lol). The limiting factor seems to be chosen participation. Lots of people have opinions, not many people want to organize their thoughts into, eg. an effective advertising campaign, a github pull request, or basically anything other than meaningless browsing.
Here were some threads in my message history I found insightful: lemmy.world/post/25512565 lemmy.world/post/25553607 lemmy.world/post/27824597
I’m not really skilled in anything relevant, so my strategy has been:
- On mainstream social platforms, point out any hint of enshittification and follow up with a recommendation toward a specific Fediverse alternative.
- Link directly to discussions or articles I found on Lemmy that I thought were worth sharing
- Building partnerships in my existing communities with the corresponding Lemmy communities to encourage user flow
JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Lots of people have opinions, not many people want to organize their thoughts into, eg. an effective advertising campaign, a github pull request, or basically anything other than meaningless musing.
This is the nature of free work. Any donation of time is sparse and intermittent. People have bills to pay. The best and brightest want to be paid well for their time. This requires a business model of some kind, and monetising that work. This is antithetical to FOSS projects, and is the reason they will almost always be inferior to projects with large budgets with teams of UX designers. /obligatory COME AT ME BRO
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Same issue as Lemmy. Not enough people see centralized media as an issue and thus the status quo will continue.
Dreaming_Novaling@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ehhh, I feel it’s not just that.
Yeah, people don’t think centralized media is an issue, and thus don’t join Fediverse, causing it to be a little dead and discourages others from using it as an alternative.
However, YT is a job for the thousands that create content on there, and reasonably so, they need money to make said content and pay bills. Which means ads, cause be real, most people (including me) don’t wanna join a Patreon to see their content. I just can’t think of many creators who I love enough to drop consistent money on them, never mind several at once.
Lemmy doesn’t need to be monetized to entice people, because Reddit wasn’t built on that (karmawhoring gets you no money). Even pixelfed could make it as an alternative, because creators aren’t paid by ads or Insta themselves, they get money from sponsorships and promoting their shops.
But YT? It’s built to make money from putting in ads. So unless creators lived off of sponsors alone and the few who subscribe to Patreon, they’re shit outta luck if they join Peertube.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That is a very good point and is something that needs to be sorted out. There is or at least was a video platform that paid crypto that I think had the right ideas, but was not well executed and frankly even if it was great, most crypto projects were scams.
I do suspect that as we make our way more into the AI and robotics era, that how we measure value will shift and suddenly decentralized platforms will generate some form of income of it will even be called that. Until then, you are right, there is little incentive for creators to move to a platform that makes them no money and people are ok with their privacy and data being shared so the status quo it is.
swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
YT became popular before monatization existed. It was a hobby and a form of socialization for many people. I’d rather see Peertube be that than what YT has become. Monatization is what ruined it, imo.
Marthirial@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Like with fucking, friction is the difference between pleasure and pain. If I click a YT link and the video starts playing, no lag, no buffering, just plays, I will come back.
I tried to watch the French dude describing Texas, hosted on Peertube. It took 17 minutes, 3 attempts, 2 error messages, lag while playing.
Can’t change the paradigm with thrift.
Ulrich@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
That’s weird, I watch it every day and have never had an issue like that.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Interesting. I’ve watched some videos without issue, though not many since there aren’t that many to watch.
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sounds like a personal issue TBH
idriss@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
To me it’s a feature and not a problem to have less people. I had more online human interaction in lemmy than I had anywhere else (except maybe facebook in early times). Look at Reddit now, good luck interacting with real genuine people. Everyone is shilling something and nobody is honest, plus the low quality posts count growing.
I saw some studies a few years ago on how people are less interested in traditional social media and more interested in instant messaging 1to1 and small group chats. Also something about how group chats become dead after they exceed a couple hundred members.
Just to say, I am more happy with the way things are in lemmy. I appreciate all aspects of Lemmy really.
ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I guess for you that makes sense if interactions is your goal. For me it is both content and interactions and the former is really lacking because the community is still too small. I find many of the subreddits I view daily are ghost towns here or non existent. I would drop Reddit completely if there was just more content here. I will often come to Lemmy several times a day, and notice it still has all the same posts and then go back to Reddit. Sucks more are not jumping on the decentralized bandwagon.
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Sometimes, I think that peertube would work better as simply being a different section of a personal/private website. You know how some sites hosted their own videos back before youtube became “the only place to post videos”? Gametrailers, Machinima, ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, etc.
Federation helps with discovery, but not much beyond that, I think.
can@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Wow, someone should make a bot for awareness or something.
array@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
[deleted]Drewmeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think posting it on Peertube would maybe be preaching to the choir.
PixelPilgrim@lemmings.world 2 weeks ago
just peertube recommendation algorithm browser extension. Working pretty well and ik discovering channels that make/reupload well produced content
altphoto@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
This was an interesting watch:
altphoto@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
And this one too!
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
The fact that you posted a link to this video from YouTube not peer tube says a lot.
ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The point is outreach to the other platform. Sending engagement to this video on YouTube will boost it due to YouTube’s algorithm. More exposure on YouTube = more potential new PeerTube users. Publishing this on PeerTube is preaching to the choir.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 2 weeks ago
Publishing this on PeerTube is also a problem. I mentioned this in another post, but to expand, I really, really, want to like PeerTube. But:
IMO PeerTube could be great, but it has a lot of shortcomings that aren’t solved by adding features and fixing bugs.
thedruid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It would better to make peer tube super easy to use without needing to do more than cluck once on. A button and get going
The thing holding open source back is the gatekeeping. Developers could spend more time actually working with u.i experts to make things easy, but no. Rather make everyone think it’s some magic that requires 50 steps.
Make it easy to do business and give them a great product. That’s all that needs to be done. Do that foss community, and you’ll win.
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Or at least publishing links to both would look better.
mrsingh@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Peer tube is dead
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Maybe, not what you think it does, though