Hopefully this actually leads to something lasting, but I don’t have high hopes considering how Europe is getting dragged atm
'For too long, Apple has operated a walled garden around its products': The EU forces Apple to open its closed system to third parties
Submitted 1 week ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Jehuty@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 week ago
I mean the EU made them allow app stores but Apple made a complete mockery of them by requiring their rubber stamp and charging “only” 27% fee and the EU is just letting them get away with that so yeah, I have little faith.
Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There isn’t really any getting away with. If what Apple does is within the law then the EU can’t prevent it. I’m sure somebody is looking into preventing Apple from doing it, but propper legislation takes time.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Maybe Nintendo, Sony and MS will be next?
I want a 3rd party store on all my consoles, why can’t I?
Petter1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Not skilled enough hackerboy 😉🫶🏻
Mod your damn consoles!
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
While I don’t think people get consoles without homebrew being unlocked first it is still better for homebrew to be unlocked on day 1
It will also give the possibility of open development
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Most every major company tries to build a walled garden. Apple does so via apps and services, services like netflix do by making sure you can’t watch shows on any other service (arr!), or even something as simple as cordless tools that have proprietary batteries and chargers where it gets really expensive to have to buy different batteries.
PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Most every major company isn’t entrenched in people’s lives as deeply as apple is though. If I want to leave Netflix it’s as easy as switching subscriptions. If I want to leave Apple I need months of migration and multiple product replacements.
Or at least that’s what it looks like to someone who has avoided Apple their whole life, it was apparent to me as a teen that the walled garden was a trap. The iPhone and iPhone 3g where the only and last peices of apple hardware I’ve ever owned.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You’re right on all counts. It is not cheap and easy to migrate away from apple, and some apps may not have an equivalent.
I’ve been anti-apple most of my life for multiple reasons, and I still am, however my work uses apple products for the employees so it just made sense to have my own as well. I deeply recognize the walled garden Apple has created, and the only products of theirs we use are those associated with the mobile devices. We buy nothing else apple; no laptops, no desktops, no backup, TV, etc.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
And also getting using to an entirely new UI and OS
themurphy@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Finally. We all about to see better prices and more features. If this ends in lower app store fees, its a massive win for every app company in the world!
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Destroys their entire business model 😂
MiDaBa@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Their entire business model has been to focus on systems that lock people in and exclude people who are out. None of this is done for security or as a means for the best possible customer experience. It’s done for the sole purpose of forcing income they couldn’t achieve with innovation alone. I’ve heard so many tech reviewers and even my own personal friends who say they would love to switch if only to try something else. They say they’d switch today if their friends, family and coworkers wouldn’t get mad at them. Apples only real innovation over the past ten years has been built in social pressure.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
This is why the only Apple product I’ve owned was a free iPad. It feels claustrophobic to be trapped in their ecosystem.
Earflap@reddthat.com 1 week ago
Trying to get my family to use signal and its like pulling teeth. “Dont you want to be on the same messaging app as everyone”, “sure but you’re the one with a problem”
Mate, I only have a problem because of you!
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
And the air pods was often referenced to bring like condoms, on reddit
Echolynx@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Well, they did get them to switch to USB-C, so I’m not holding my breath, but I do hope that this will lead to more interoperability. I’m tired of Apple making Android/non-Apple users feel like second-class citizens.
CoCo_Goldstein@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I have to agree. Switching to USB-C is a big step, but I doubt Apple will become more interoperable unless they are forced to.
Repelle@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I still don’t think that one was actually the EU’s doing. Macs got USB C before most PCs, iPads had it for a long time before iPhones, and iPhones switched over 10 years after Apple announced lightning saying it would be their connector “for the next decade”
T156@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Apple got an special exemption the last time the EU standardised the port to Micro-USB.
The writing would have been on the wall for them. Especially as thunderbolt 3+ uses the USB-C connector, there was no guarantee the EU would give them exception again, and lightning is almost certainly not designed to handle the wattage needed to charge a Mac.
But otherwise, if not compelled, I doubt that Apple would have carried it over to the mobile devices. The timing is fortuitous, but likely because Apple has a little leeway before the EU forbade their devices/fined them for not following the law.
gurnu@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Even then, for whatever reason, a (grantedly cheap) 3,5mm->USB-C adapter my dad bought didn’t work at all on his iPhone while it works just fine on my Android
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I was so hyped when the EU pressured Apple into allowing external software on Apple devices.
Apple killed that hype making the change EU only, problem is I’m encapsulated in the walled garden with an iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Air Tags, HomePods.
Thinking of getting a second phone Android based to partially-escape the garden but if I ditch my iPhone all hell will break loose network wise.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Sorry but the only way out of that is to stop buying apple products
I get the design choice, it looks nice, but the hardware is rather trashy and both hardware and software are hostile to it’s users. That won’t ever change
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
They dumbed it down over the years
firepenny@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I was you up until 3 months ago. I went nuclear and focused on the more open source side of android and have been so much happier for it. Sold everything to afford the changes.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It’s also cheaper consider the availability of different Android phones, I left pixel for OnePlus recently, because it decided then screen died after a small drop for pixel 5a, a phone with well known defects
JandroDelSol@lemmy.world 1 week ago
ditch the homepod and don’t replace it with any other spyware, and replace the rest as needed.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
ditch the homepod and don’t replace it with any other spyware
Family has gotten use to the HomePod being around, makes simple things like settings timers for cooking or other related task a bit easier.
And yeah, I’m aware it’s spyware. I wanted a “smart-home” and essentially landed on Apple products.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
The funny thing is I would have joined the ecosystem this year if that change made it out of eu
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
With android you can change the os if your into it, developer at least
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Yeah I was looking into Linux based mobile OS’s and I’ve come to the consensus that hardware selection is very limited.
I was very interested in GrapheneOS but unfortunately it’s for Pixel phones only.
ChapulinColorado@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Some phones only. Or at least that is how it used to be when I had one not too long ago. The boot loader had the be unlocked and some apps like banks or Google pay refused to work at the time (or maybe it was if you had root enabled).
RainbowHedgehog@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I thought that “walled-garden” was for security and privacy in the case of Apple? I always relied on them for that.
Armok_the_bunny@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Nope, it was so they could take the 30% cut of every penny that is spent on one of their platforms, and also so that it would be extremely inconvenient to leave their ecosystem since doing so would mean leaving behind most of your data.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
You still have the freedom to not use alternative app stores.
Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I don’t get the argument. It’s not like you are forced to buy iPhones, there a plenty of brands available. According to recent data iOS is 30% of the market while android is almost 70% (in Europe). I used android phones for most of my life. I tried to install alternative OS few time but my banking apps all refused to execute. There were always plenty of apps that were forbidden to remove (Facebook, Samsung applications,…). Then 4 years ago I bought an iPhone. No preinstalled shitty news app, Facebook, etc. Was even able to uninstall the default apps that I do not use. I feel to have much more freedom than before. Apple is not perfect by any means but it’s far from being a prison.
Mandrilleren@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You can certainly argue that more control makes iPhones safer, since its harder to get malicious software on the phone. But Apple is also abusing their control for their own gain.
You could also argue that locking you in a room would be safer than letting you walk freely out in the world. But I don’t we want that either.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I dunno, are meals provided in the locked room? The world is a pretty fucking awful place right now.
FrChazzz@lemm.ee 1 week ago
The security approach was what first drew me to Apple back in like 2005. The whole focus on proprietary software that resulted in practically zero malware was definitely worth me having to do file-type conversions on documents and all that crap to keep up with people on Windows. And I loved it. And I kept adding every device and loving how seamless they all interact with each other.
But then there’s that shadow side you refer to. The gradual dumbing down of software, the constant hand-holding. The walled garden began to feel like a lock-in.
My last new Mac purchase was in 2011. I still use that machine. But I was not getting security updates and other things I use were leaving me behind so I decided to give Linux a try. Chose Ubuntu and the hardware was suddenly like new again. Apple makes beautiful machines but waste them on some increasingly basic software. My Linux-run Macs have made me fall in love with computers all over again.
If this somehow results in me being able to run like Graphene on my iPhone in a few years, or even connect my Apple Watch to a non-Apple phone, I will be pretty excited.
RainbowHedgehog@lemm.ee 1 week ago
If people want a phone that acts like an android, just buy an android.
Why are people trying to make iPhones into androids?
Petter1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Well, but it is just as hard to find exploits for white heads, and this leads to open exploits that last for ages, even if actively used by black heads.
There is no security by obfuscation
max_dryzen@mander.xyz 1 week ago
Its primary utility is shoring up their image as the brand where ‘everything just works’ and op/interop is a thoughtless zero friction process. Compromise that and you lose normie, bigtime. So everyone gets locked in…and you get the walled prison basketball court
Halliphax@lemmy.world 1 week ago
You’re getting downvoted but how much would you like to bet that once the walled garden is down/their party apps can be installed; we’ll suddenly see “security related apps” installed by some EU law.
If I sound paranoid there’s already an app on Android that scans the content of your photo library (iPhones have this too but it’s only enabled during parental controls, Androids is stealth-enabled 24/7).
Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It’s called something android core, you can uninstall it, but it may comeback each update.
Ironfist@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
That’s the lie they tell you, yeah.
MiniMoose4Free@lemm.ee 1 week ago
This is very bad. Their walled garden is perfect for the young, elderly, and stupid.
Hopefully some competitor arrives to replace them.
xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
Walled gardens are not good for anyone.
heavydust@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Apple is free to sell phones where walled gardens are allowed. You’re also free to stay in the walled garden, Apple lied to you.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 week ago
Yeah because using Android is so difficult
forrgott@lemm.ee 1 week ago
If but perfect you mean perfectly exploitative, sure. The walled garden issue has nothing to do with ease of use my friend; in fact, the whole point is to do the opposite - make anything outside the wall impossibly hard to access or use.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No one is forcing you do use apps outside of the app store. It’s about choice.
If such a competitor emerged they’d not be able to trade in the EU, given the size of the EU economy that ain’t happening.
Petter1@lemm.ee 1 week ago
It is not the walled garden that makes it easy, I mean, only because you open up doesn’t mean that your costumer still can buy only apple and it just works…
dan1101@lemm.ee 1 week ago
You’re right, they are like a bike with training wheels, helmet, and pads.
Sagan_Wept@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
Good stuff EU
Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Not the biggest fan of this tbh. People who want open standards should just not buy iOS devices. It’s not that hard.
LostWon@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Yay! Please stick with this, EU! 🥂
Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I honestly don’t get it. It’s their product. Why are entire countries getting involved in how they make their own devices?
O_R_I_O_N@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Huge win!
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
It’s a shame Epic lost this lawsuit in the US because “just switch to Android”
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There should be a porn movie with that headline
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I have no doubt the EU won’t have much mercy for American corporations hong forward.
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
bro be like
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univers3man@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Go ahead, this is a safe space. Get it out of your system.
AA5B@lemmy.world 1 week ago
We don’t need no friends, allies or influence when we can be bullying, a child’s concept of tough, looking up to other dictators like Putin and Erdogan. Im sure all it will take is loud threats of widespread tariffs and a stable Genius who’s “great” at deals
tacocatgoat@lemmy.world 1 week ago
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MdRuckus@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Let me see that gong…gong gagong gong gong
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
When apple announced messaging would be cross platform nobody else adopted it. Any idea why?
Oh yeah one reason: Apple won’t be forced to open up iMessage by EU
ledix@lemmy.world 1 week ago
In the eu literally nobody is using iMessage, so it doesn’t fall under dma laws.