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GitHub - LadybirdBrowser/ladybird: Truly independent web browser
Submitted 5 weeks ago by mesamunefire@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird
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kokolores@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
what r they gonna do if it’s open source and doesn’t collect data. worry more about ur OS
EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 4 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure my Debian doesn’t collect personal data either
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Ask Mozilla
Ledericas@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
the EU wants backdoors to encryptions, so eu not any better.
ambitiousslab@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
I donate to Ladybird and Servo, and I hope they succeed. We need serious competition and a check on Mozilla (not to mention Chrome and Safari).
That said, I’m sad that neither Ladybird or Servo are licensed under strong copyleft licenses. We need user-oriented browsers now more than ever, and strong copyleft enables that. I worry that, even if these engines are successful, they will be co-opted by proprietary browsers and eventually superseded by them.
This happened before - both Chrome and Safari ultimately derive from KHTML, Konqueror’s browser engine. If KHTML had been licnesed under the GPL instead of the LGPL, Chrome and Safari may have been free software today (or at the very least, it would have been much more difficult for Apple and Google to get started).
That said, I wish Ladybird the best. There donation = no influence policy is excellent, and I really, really hope they can stick to it in the long term.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
No.
If khtml had been GPL, it simply never would have been used for chrome or safari, some other engine would have been picked.
Anything but real open source for these types of companies
SuperZorro@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
To be fair, kubernetes comes from Google.
butter@midwest.social 5 weeks ago
How does one have a donation = no influence policy?
Huge companies donate to make open apps like this reliant on them. Then they threaten to pull the donation if that doesn’t happen…
Strong Copyleft licenses protect from this by allowing others to fork and keep an app going without being taken advantage of.
If Google donates 1 billion dollars tomorrow, and over several months, Ladybird will expand to use that money. Then Google can threaten to stop the donations unless LB does something like “make ad blockers worse”
It’s a web browser. The only money they will make is from donations. Unless they do something wonky with their business model, like charge. Then no one will use it anyway.
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Frankly at this point I’d be willing to contribute to a strongly copyleft, privacy focused browser even if it meant yet another fucking ‘subscription’
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
in my mind it’s kinda the point of Ladybird to have a permissively licensed implementation of web standards, I like permissive licenses if only because they reduce legal risks
LeFantome@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
I prefer permissive licenses but how do they reduce legal risks?
Zangoose@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Isn’t servo mostly a Mozilla-led project? I thought servo would probably just replace gecko as the engine firefox used if it ends up succeeding
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
Iirc it started its life that way but Mozilla abandoned it and the community picked it up
LeFantome@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Servo is developed by Igalia at this point. Mozilla is not involved.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
That would not have changed much, since browser engines are million-manhours projects and a small group of devs doing that voluntary, just isn’t enough.
the_q@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
To go along with the alt right stuff, one of their major donors is Shopify.
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So what?
the_q@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Shopify willingly hosted and sold Kanye’s swastika shirt.
superfes@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Good, the world is in dire need of competition in this arena.
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
A good breakdown on their progress: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43200604
MITM0@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Once Servo is finished, we might have a browser rennaisance (I hope)
mesamunefire@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
That would be nice. I know lately I’ve been playing around with gopher sites with command line browsers. It’s been fun seeing what others have made.
Bogus5553@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I’ll be great. The big question is how long it’s left until a stable release
LeFantome@programming.dev 5 weeks ago
Ladybird says 2026. Given the current state and progress, I believe it may be quite usable by then. I use it sometimes for basic surfing and leaving forum comments. It works surprisingly well often though it is still far from general use. I think the dev team tries to use it themselves for things like Discord and GutHub. They did a demo last month where it “almost” ran Gmail.
I am not sure that Servo has set a timeline. I expect it to take longer.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
If you don’t mind my asking, what forums do you use? I’m trying to find new communities.
kepix@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
same slogan everywhere, plant pictures for a strong greenwashing aesthetics, old white men smiling reassuringly. 5/7 homepage.
pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
Just installed it on void. Still not quite usable for daily use but it’s not bad.
cm0002@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I love it when I see Ladybird come up! ESPECIALLY now with the ongoing enshittification of FF lmao
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
rtxn@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Congratulations on completely misunderstanding the comic.
Ladybird is not a new standard. It is a new implementation of existing standards. Nobody has to change or adapt anything.
Redex68@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
It still has some of the same problems as the comic, though not to the same extent, it doesn’t need to be a standard for the comic to make sense, it’s also about market share. Having yet another browser has the potential of diluting the market and making people just go for the default.
TheImpressiveX@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Ulrich@feddit.org 5 weeks ago
Currently there are 3 browsers available and of them is only available on overpriced disposable hardware.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
If the latter is Safari, then WebKit-based browsers are available for Windows and Unix-likes too.
Actually WebKit is often used in the same role Gecko would be used, until Mozilla decided they don’t want alternative browsers on Gecko.
ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
That is not the point of making another browser.
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
kamen@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Politics aside, I’d be curious to see how far something like this can go. Can’t not think of Opera Software - even they were not successful while they were using their own proprietary tech.
Solaris1789@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
Totally not related to recent events
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I’ve been testing it out, it’s pretty fucking rad.
pfr@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
So keen for this.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
rickdg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Looks like a confused Swedish dude that when questioned about his use of English pronouns defaults to not wanting to get political. Is there more besides a misguided decision to avoid relevant political topics?
I think we should chastise people that insist on not getting political, but not necessarily boycott everything they do. Or at least we should apply the same moral demands to Mozilla, Apple, Microsoft or Google when choosing which browsers to support. Which of them is the least bad?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
There is nothing political about acknowledging peoples’ existence.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 weeks ago
ugh transphobia rots people’s brains
it’s not too hard to just be a decent person ppl
Matriks404@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Sure, but there’s no transphobia here. Stop spreading nonsense.
Matriks404@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Again this shit. This have been debunked many times, yet people still write this nonsense.
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I see zero reason to out the “transphobic” label on the dev.
Think and read before labelling people.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
dumnonii@piefed.social 5 weeks ago
I can't see anything about this on DuckDuckGo. Do you have a link?
RayJW@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
mkultra.monster/tech/…/serenityos-and-ladybird
This was a little „write-up“ back when everything became more public.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
“Don’t Be Evil” happily indexing while Bingcrosoft sleeps
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theherk@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Is he though? I didn’t know anything about this, but it doesn’t sound as bad with context.
EasternLettuce@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 5 weeks ago
Lunduke is an alt-right shithead.
gon@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
That blog post is pretty ridiculous, IMO.
You’ll see the alt-right do that a lot, for some reason.
There’s real criticism, but they always mix it in with some made-up complains like the slavery thing, which is some of the most obvious sarcasm I have ever seen on the internet, but somehow taken literally by the author of the post.
IDK if he’s a transphobe or whatnot, but his reaction to the change in language was indicative of, at the very least—with the most charitable of interpretations—, a disregard for inclusive language and, more realistically, some philosophy that doesn’t allow for “others” to participate because the existence of those that aren’t male is “political,” somehow.
You might not see it, because you haven’t seen it enough times to recognize it, but it happens again and again and again… But it’s always quiet.
“Don’t make this political,” “ideology isn’t welcome,” stuff like that. Statements that sound reasonable, but are only wielded to quiet those aiming for inclusiveness and acceptance of marginalized people.
It might sound like a less-than-generous interpretation, a bit callous and over-zealous, but it’s just patterns. I hear wolf, I say wolf.
Also, I thought that article had a really funny passage:
This alone made me think that it might be satire, but I don’t think it is… The Fediverse, huh? OK.
gnygnygny@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Totally excessive in view of the facts.
There are so few alternative browsers and the collapse of the privacy is so global. That seems to me a minor point in relation to the goal.
pr0sp3kt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Under that POV stop using Volkswagen because Hitler invented it.
sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
Here we fucking go again.
Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Do you have a source?
blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Don’t be a dick. The dev is not transphobic, and you know it.